Ask the Longbeards about the good old days of Fantasy Background

[Kidjal]

must be that then!

[Solon]

Disclaimer: I searched this forum to see if this topic has been discussed and I didn't find it. Instead of starting a new thread I thought it prudent to bring the question below to the Longbeards.

After reading the Daemons of Chaos Army-Book I grokked an insinuation that Shallya is none other than the guinea pig/healing daemon held captive by Nurgle. The healer daemon is said to whisper cures and treatments to the mortal world. In particular there was an anecdote about a Temple of Shallya, in Altdorf. The was destroyed by Nurglings after discovering a cure to a potent pox. Can we say with a degree of probability that Shallya is Nurgle's captive daemon?

[Arnizipal]

Short answer is "no" with a "but...". ;)

Long answer can be found here (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9535).

[Solon]

Short answer is "no" with a "but...". ;)

Long answer can be found here (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9535).

I took a long look at the suggested thread. It's a good read.

Synopsis of the Thread suggested by Arnizipal
"The Realms of Chaos are explained, the Good vs. Evil theme is dyed grey and fleshed out, the significance of the Horned Rat is debated, the Realms of Chaos are questioned once more and explained once more with eloquence, Khaine is not Khorne, necromancing of the thread leads to all previous topics being debated as though they were fresh, people then try to figure out where the lesser deities fit into the four Ruinous portfolios."

The last part may apply to my question, but doesn't answer it. There is a daemon whose gift is to heal. The daemon is used by Nurgle to test his pestilences. One day he hopes to generate the perfect plague that will kill the daemon of healing and then he'll unleash his rot on the rest of existence. Meanwhile, the daemon of healing whispers cures and advice to the mortal world in hopes of combating unleashed diseases.

Either the daemon of healing is a seperate lesser deity doing what Shallya is also doing or both lesser deities are one in the same. Shallya is and is not Nurgle, but in this case the part that is not Nurgle is locked up in a cage and used as a guinea-pig. Yes?

[Arnizipal]

I was only trying to help.
You don't have to be so high and mighty about it. :eyebrows:

At any rate, since gods are shaped by their worshippers I highly doubt Shallya is a trapped Nurglite deamon in disguise. She grants her followers spells too, I don't know if she would be able to do that if she were a caged guinea pig.

[Jimjim]

[Dwarfs]

I just wondered, where can I find the banners for the different dwarf holds? Like in the back of the dwarf armybook, you can see the banners for Karaz-a-Karak, Karak-Kadrin, Karak-Hirn and Karak-Izor. But I'm a 100% sure that I've seen a reference over some other holds too. Do you know where I can find some information on this? (Dwarfs: Stone & Steel obviously, but I would have to give a kidney to obtain one of those, so that kinda narrows it down... )
Tanks:)

[heretics bane]

Theres a paint scheme for each of the main holds in the painting section.

If your stuck try bugmansbrewery.com for more help on the dwarves they should have maybe a pdf of the banners or some sketch ideas.

Good luck from a fellow dwarf fan.

[Dargon]

Yep, Bugmans Brewery comes through. After an extensive search, it turns out they are the only website that still has the Dwarf concept art that GW had up when the Dwarf Armybook was about to be released.

You can find a concept design by Mark Gibbons of some Hold Icons HERE (http://www.bugmansbrewery.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=259), that adds a couple more designs to the ones they used in the back of the Dwarf book.

Just a thought...

[Geordie Vampire]

Vampire Counts
There is no information about the von carsteins (particulary vlad or mannfred) before they became counts of slyvania. why is that?

[CommanderCax]

Vampire Counts
There is no information about the von carsteins (particulary vlad or mannfred) before they became counts of slyvania. why is that?

Probably because there existed no von Carstein before Vlad became Count of Sylvania. He most likely adopted the name just for that purpose. Before that the von Carstein were simply the descendants of Vashanesh and/or Vashanesh himself.

[Wib]

[DWARVES]

Hail!

Apologies if this is posted in the wrong thread - I'm still finding my way around the forums and the WHFB game in general!

My question is regarding the uniforms or colours of the various Dwarven Holds - I've found in various books the illustrations and fluff for GWs' 'themes' for each hold, but would it be possible / in keeping with the world's history to either create a new Hold or change the army colours of an existing one?

I wanted to base my army around Barak Varr, which is, according to the army book, 'the most cosmopolitan of the Dwarf cities' - with all of the traders the dwarf would see, and the fine cloths / silks available to them, I wanted to paint my army in a blaze of colour rather than the (kinda drab) GW colours - would this be acceptable within the gaming community or would I be best sticking to the standard colour schemes? I'm new to the hobby, and have many old Dwarf models which I wish to combine with the newer models to make my army - I think the mix of old and new will be quite pleasing, and the older models especially just beg to be made colourful!

Looking forward to your comments and advice

All the best

Wib

[kroq'gar]

I was only trying to help.
You don't have to be so high and mighty about it. :eyebrows:

At any rate, since gods are shaped by their worshippers I highly doubt Shallya is a trapped Nurglite deamon in disguise. She grants her followers spells too, I don't know if she would be able to do that if she were a caged guinea pig.

The term deamon is used to describe those of chaos viewed negatively. You'd be better to name them angels to have the distinction clear in your mind (GW dont do that though as its terribley cliched).

A trapped angel of healing bitterly betraying nurgle- tears of Shallya would definately make sense there.

[Geordie Vampire]

Vampire Counts/Empire

if i remember correctly at the end of the storm of chaos when Mannfred von Carstein turned up with a huge undead force after scaring away the chaos forces he came face to face with the empire general fighting the chaos (i think it may even have been Karl Franz) why did the Empire just turned around and walk off why didnt they try to kill Mannfred there and then or once the emperor was aware that hes alive(ish) send a huge army to wipe him out rather than let him sit in Drakenhof Castle plotting another invasion of the empire and remain a constant threat??

[Solon]

Where can I find deeper background on the gods of the Lizardmen? Sotek is the only one that is fluffed out in the armybook.

What is the spawning color for Quetzl?

[Lord Lucifer]

To my knowledge, there isn't much information available for the Old Ones in regards to the Lizzies. Note the Old Ones are not Gods in the sense that Sigmar and Khaine are Gods.
Sotek, however, is, as far as all background indicates

[kroq'gar]

Hehe, my area of speciality.

The oldones are not gods, merely god-like beings (they are loosly based on greek mythos). THey created all life and had a cosmic plan interupted by chaos. Blessed spawings are those lizardmen who share an attribute with a given oldone.

Sotek is the only lizardman god, brought about long after the fall of the oldones.

[Grumbak-Thag]

the oldones designed the world of warhammer and all the intelligent races: saurus, elves, dwarves, humans, halflings.

but their poles portals crashed and the chaos invaded the world.

they are very old and advanced race with advanced technologies and science taht permited them to travel through warp and create new races.

and sotek is not supposed to be a god, but a probably the oldone who created the skinks

[Jimjim]

[Dwarfs & Chaos]

In the DoC book, they tell of these dwarfholds: Kazad Klad, "the twin bastions of Karag Garaz and Khaz Bryn", Kazad Kol and Karak Grong. All placed in the northern mountains.

And in the new Warriors of Chaos book they mention briefly Karak Ghulg, which is said to be the northernmost hold..

Have any of you ever heard of this before, or is GW just inventing new holds which they never will place on a map?

[Arnizipal]

Doesn't ring a bell, though all holds don't necessarily have to be large fortresses. They could be tiny mining villages as well.

[Dargon]

Have any of you ever heard of this before, or is GW just inventing new holds which they never will place on a map?Yes, in this case GW are just inventing new holds that they never will place on the map.;)

Dwarf history has never been as fleshed out as that of the Elves, so GW had to newly invent most of the Dwarfs involvement during the first great Daemon incursion. You'll notice that each of the four Dwarf bastions listed (counting the "twins" together), were each brought down by a single Chaos power (Klad by Khorne, Garaz & Bryn by Nurgle, Kol by Tzeentch and Grong by Slaanesh) before the united forces were stopped at Karaz-A-Karak.

The invention of these early Dwarf settlements has no other purpose than to be offered up as sacrificial lambs to showcase each of the four Chaos powers for the narrative - after all, how impressive would that early Chaos invasion have been if it started and stopped at the Dwarf capital, achieving nothing;).

Just a thought...

[Jimjim]

@ Dargon: Yes that seems very likely. I have to say it is really disappointing that the fluff for Hotspots like Karak Vlag, Karak Dum and Karak Zorn is lacking. (Would have included Kraka Drak too, but clearly it was destroyed, as told in the Chaos book. A surprise, but not a positive one.) Those 3 holds are like a magnet to me.. EVERY time I look upon the world map (or in fact a map containing one or more of those), I get annoyed. Example: "Former site of Karak Vlag", wtf its too dumb to just say "hey dude, it disappeared long time ago". Aren't there any info about these holds?
I've read deamonslayer, so I know about Karak Dum, its just never been mentioned in WFB.. And it says something about Karak Vlag in Dwarfs: Stone & Steel, but that info is probably outdated or invalid by now..

[RobC]

The whole point about mysterious locations is that they are a mystery. To add detail to them would dilute their appeal. It's the same reason why locations such as Ind, Cathay and Nippon are left so vague, and why (cue temporary 40K aside) the two lost Space Marine legions will never be detailed.

[Dargon]

(Would have included Kraka Drak too, but clearly it was destroyed, as told in the Chaos book. A surprise, but not a positive one.)
No, Kraka Drak was not destroyed. The Dwarfs were barely established at the time of the first Daemon incursion. Kraka Drak and most of the familiar Dwarf Holds we recognise today had yet to be built. From what I can dig up, only Karak Zorn and Karaz-A-Karak existed at the time of the first Daemon incursion, and Karaz-A-Karak itself was barely 50 years old (at most) at the time the Daemons reached it.

This is another reason why GW had to make up a bunch of new Dwarf Holds to place in the Daemons path - all the ones we were already familiar with wouldn't be built until after the Daemons were defeated.;)

Just a thought...

[RobC]

No, Kraka Drak was not destroyed.There's a story about Kraka Drak in the new Warriors of Chaos book, which states "The hold was wiped from the annals of history." I think that's pretty definitive :(

[Dargon]

There's a story about Kraka Drak in the new Warriors of Chaos book, which states "The hold was wiped from the annals of history." I think that's pretty definitive :(
Ouch! What were they thinking? Bugmans Brewery is going to explode when they hear about this.:eek:

Just a thought...

[nirvanaishdude]

[Minerals]

Is there any concrete information about the "Lapis Lapzuli" (SP?)?

If so, sources, please?

[Chiron]

Erm... its blue semi-precious stone used in a lot of Egyptian values but widespread throughout the years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapis_lazuli

[nirvanaishdude]

I never realised it was a real stone! I feel terribly stupid now. heh.

[Warlord_Grotsnik]

How tall are elves on average?

[Desert Rain]

...it is not uncommon for for an Elf to stand a whole head taller than a man.

So I would say perhaps around 2 metres:eek:

[javgoro]

How tall are elves on average?

WFRP 2nd ed puts them at an average of between 165 cms. and 185 cms.

[Warlord_Grotsnik]

So I would say perhaps around 2 metres:eek:

Sounds they'd be around 6,6" on average then.

[Arnizipal]

Around 6' would be more accurate.

[Condottiere]

Sounds they'd be around 6,6" on average then.You're thinking of Tolkien.

[kroq'gar]

based around historical figures, man around the time of the empire were much shorter, with a 5'6'' man being accounted tall.\
A 'giant' knight (cant rmember the guys name, but that was his title) was abound 6'2''.

Elves are comparible to the hight of a tall man.

[Condottiere]

The Dutch were unnaturally tall before a famine struck, either in the 18th or 19th century. The Chinese and Japanese average heights have increased since the WWII. Nutrition & diet?

[Nicha11]

[Skaven]

What is a Vermin Lord?

[Chiron]

A demon of the Horned Rat from 4th/5th edition era, basically a Greater Demon or Demon Prince for a Skaven army

[Vandur Last]

[EMPIRE]

Are there really only eight Steam Tanks that have ever existed? I thought this was the case but the novel "Skaven Slayer" features a partially completed Steam Tank that was built by the Nuln College of Engineers and Mechanics.

Is there any other info , im thinking from the RPG, that supports the idea that there are more than the eight original Steam Tanks?

[Arnizipal]

IIRC there were fifteen steam tanks originally, but a lot have been lost in battle or due to malfunction.

[mrtn]

12 original, of which 8 still exist.

[kroq'gar]

and of which 1 is in skaven hands.

[Condottiere]

How many are still operational?

[Krzyek]

Is there any information about Sudenburg in Arabya, except it is an imperial enclave?

Cheers,
Krzyek

[Doominator]

Dwarf History

What caused the sudden series of earthquakes and seismic activities that ravaged Karaz Ankor?

On another thread, Im hearing Slann moved it but I've always thought that the skaven's attempt to turn the surface into a broken mess with a powerful machine was the real reason... :confused:

[Arnizipal]

There are two explanations for this:

1. The Slann, interpreting the will of the Old Ones, moved the Old World continent, thereby causing powerful earthquakes.

2. The Skaven, trying to expand the warrens below Skavenblight to counter overpopulation, activate a new experimental digging machine which blows up quite spectacularly, causing powerful quakes in the Old World and killing hordes of Skaven in the process (which also fixed the overpopulation problem).

I don't see why both stories have to be mutually exclusive. Skaven machine goes boom and causes earthquakes, then the Slann make it even worse by moving the continent moments later.

[Doominator]

Lizardmen

Exactly how many generations of Slann left the world? One, right? And to the first Chaos incursion? I know this is kinda vague due to "the Old Ones Plans", but what do Lizardmen do in the Warhammer World? Im not very famaliar with them but they seem to just to be concentrated in Lustria, some surrounding islands, Southlands and I think even in Ind and elsewhere in the Eastern Lands. Are they defend-and-hold like Tomb Kings or something else...?

[Arnizipal]

As far as I know no generation of Slann left the world, unless you subscribe to the theory that the Old Ones where in reality Slann themselves (as supported by the background around WFB3), and the current Slann are merely degenerated creatures who've lost most of their predecessor's history and skills.

Lizardmen interpret the Old One's will by deciphering the plaques they left behind. The Old Ones had the gift of foresight (or alternatively planned ahead for millenia) and left instructions on what to do at which time.
The tasks described in these plaques can be anything from moving a continent (which caused the downfall of the Dwarfs), to sending troops to a certain place to do battle with whoever's there at the time.

Of course, translations may vary between different Slann, so it can happen that one Slann priest opposes another because he thinks the translation of a plaque was done wrong. This has lead to conflicts between Lizardmen in the past.

[selone]

[High elves]
Dear longbeards,
I'm looking to do a force outside of ulthuan- I know theres a fortress in the southlands and another but what are other sizable high elf populations and is there anything known about them?
Cheers

[No-One]

granted i already asked this in the background, but i figured i'd also ask in here cause if anyone would know it would be you guys so... are there werewolves in warhammer? and also would goblins be able to become one?

[CommanderCax]

granted i already asked this in the background, but i figured i'd also ask in here cause if anyone would know it would be you guys so... are there werewolves in warhammer? and also would goblins be able to become one?

Yes (see here (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35001)), and probably no...

[No-One]

thanks commandercax, i was wanting to know cause i have an idea of using werewolf-gobbos as fanatics, i think it would be a cool conversion, like mini-werewolves

[Condottiere]

Were means man, so that would be a goblin-wolf.

[endless]

Is there any information about Sudenburg in Arabya, except it is an imperial enclave?
TBH, I'm not sure. The only imperial settlement I know which was detailed was the prison in Apochrypha Now (maybe WFRP Companion?) sorry I can't be of more help. :cries:

[Slipknotman21]

High Elves

Are there any details on the battle of Anlec?
I'm hunting for info for some fanfiction

Thanks,Slipknot21

[Condottiere]

Have you tried dedicated HE/DE sites?

[Arnizipal]

High Elves

Are there any details on the battle of Anlec?
I'm hunting for info for some fanfiction

Thanks,Slipknot21
Which one? Anlec is rebuilt and destroyed each time the Dark Elves invade.
Yet either way, details are scarce.

[Draconian77]

[Werewolves]

I see no reason as to why a Goblin couldn't become a Wolf-gobbo. Assuming that the Werewolf transformation is some sort of a change at the genetic level or the result of a particularily aggressive virus there is no reason why it couldn't have evolved to effect lifeforms other than humans. This is a fantasy game after all and dismissing these things as impossible is, at the end of the day, a little rash.

Just don't call it a Gobbowolf...

[Condottiere]

You can't dismiss transformations that are caused through mystical means, but I suspect the reason these issues come up so rarely is because the humanocentric nature of most RPGs, and the justified reluctance of most designers not to deal with a Goblinoidwolf.

[Jedi152]

Oh great longbeards, i beseech thy aid so i can revel in my ignorance.

Does Marienburg have a standing army? Or does it's nobility raise regiments in times of emergency (like Ankh Morpork in Jingo)?

[Arnizipal]

IIRC they rely heavily on mercenaries, but they do have a militia to patrol the streets and man the gates.

[Foegnasher]

OY!

Longbeards!

tell me about the earlier editions of skaven, histories, fluff, reputation, inspiration, things of that nature, i came in 6th ed after the latest book came out, so i know very little of the "before times".

fill a rat in, would ya?

[Doominator]

Skaven

Why is Foegnasher so unloved on this forum? Is it for that big, grinning mickey mouse on crack for an avatar?:skull:

Anywho I was curious to this question, being a fellow furry fiend myself, and I'll restate it: is there any skaven fluff that is currently out of the current army book (given that it has only 2 pages of anything real:rolleyes:), reputations and perhaps some insight to where they were inspired from, ie sewer monster legends, legends of rat people, etc. :)

[Kronos]

@Doominator, i think it was inspired by quitea few things, molemen (sub species of rodent like humans living under cities) being one one of them, along with the pied piper and some say eshin's inspiration came from the Ninja turtles sensei rat men (can't remember his name).


I had a question, why do GUO's or well Nurgle itself bear antlers on their head, what is the connection ?

I know Lord's of change micmick birds because they "fly" on thw inds of magic, Keepers of secret's are a mockery of fertility gods bearing resemblance to bovine aspects, and Bloodthirters are raged like a maddened dog hence the bestial face. Yet i have no idea why GUO's have antlers like stags or deer.

Does anyone know why ?

[Condottiere]

TMNT Sensei - that would be Splinter, depending on the media, either evolved into a giant rat, or mutated into one.

[Chiron]

I had a question, why do GUO's or well Nurgle itself bear antlers on their head, what is the connection ?

I know Lord's of change micmick birds because they "fly" on thw inds of magic, Keepers of secret's are a mockery of fertility gods bearing resemblance to bovine aspects, and Bloodthirters are raged like a maddened dog hence the bestial face. Yet i have no idea why GUO's have antlers like stags or deer.

Does anyone know why ?

At a guess its a representation of Cernunnos (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/cernunnos.html) ancient deity of regeneration and fertility and Nurgles direct opposite

In Warhammer he'd be Taal/Rhya

[jimbobodoll]

AFAIK, Skaven are one of those GW races, that like Tyrannids in 40k, have a much longer history than might commonly be believed... Being how Skaven were my first warhammer love i'll do my best to try and remember for your edification:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaven

Muhahahaha! Read that and then come back with more specific questions eh? Failing that, find Jes Goodwin's email and ask the guy who invented them (or Andy Chambers who revised them circa White Dwarf 130-140). On a related note, you can find ratmen and a drawing of them in one of the old school "fighting fantasy" books by steve jackson and ian livingston (joint starters of games workshop). don't ask me the number or title though, because I don't have them to hand to check. Its just evidence that the idea of mutated ratmen in a high fantasy setting might be a little older than some might think...

[Arnizipal]

At a guess its a representation of Cernunnos (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/cernunnos.html) ancient deity of regeneration and fertility and Nurgles direct opposite

In Warhammer he'd be Taal/Rhya
Or the Elven hunter god Kornous. :angel:



EDIT: Why are all Warhammer related Wiki articles such a pain to read?
Is it so hard to just order that Council list for example?

*sigh*

It's a good thing I take one hour lunch breaks...

*starts fixing stuff*

[Chiron]

Or the Elven hunter god Kronous. :angel:

Yeah but noone likes Elves ;)

[ghost21]

how many elf "fractions" are there?

we have high, wood and dark

ive heard of sea elves but im guessing these are just high elves with a passion for naval tradition

ive even heard of ice elves..... but have nothing on them (carnt find any fluff whatsoever if you have some please point me to it)

[Arnizipal]

There used to be Sea Elves in third edition. They manned the fleets that protected Ulthuan and were known to trade around the world. Their largest foothold in the Old World was the Elf quarter in Marienburg. These days the Sea Elves have been absorbed by the High Elves, which makes a lot more sens in my opinion.

Can't say I've ever heard of Ice Elves. As far as I know Warhammer only has the High/Dark/Wood variety of Elves.

[ghost21]

how many forests have wood elf communities in them or just athel loren?

[Arnizipal]

There's a community in the Laurelorn forest in Nordland, but IIRC these are not the spirit walking hippies with dryads and treemen. More like High Elves living in a forest.

[Cypher, the Emperor]

Skaven were greatly inspired by the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series. I own the book its in, "The Swords of Lankhmar" and it outlines a lot of the basic skaven backround, including the council of 13 and the bell.

Its not cannon of course, but it is definately one of the major inspirations and also a good read.

[QuantumO3]

I have a question about Dwarf History, does anyone know what happened to the Dwarven Holds of Karaka Drak, Karak Zorn and Karak Vlag, because i was looking through the dwarf army book and i couldnt find anything on them. Any help would be greatly apprecieated :).

[Desert Rain]

Karak Zorn is located in the Southlands right? If that's the case I believe that I've read somewhere that it was either destroyed by the Lizardmen or some kind of volcanic eruption.

I don't recognise any of the other 2 so I can't help there ;)

[QuantumO3]

Ok thanks, and i just read up that in the new chaos book, there is a story about Karaka Drak being destroyed

[Arnizipal]

The answers are in this very thread:

=> Karak Zorn (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2334291#post2334291)

=> Kraka Drak & Karak Vlag (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1423927) (near the end of the post)

Of course that info on Kraka Drak is a bit dated, becuse as you said, Kraka Drak was noted as destroyed in the current Warriors of Chaos book.

[Yo Azzishira]

what do the chaos wastelands look like?
my view see it as a windswept cold barren black desert of sorts littered with skeletons, bodies, weapons and armor.

[mrtn]

The chaos wastes can look like whatever you want it too, it's always changing, and while most os probably cold deserts, some parts are covered in forests of fungus, or rotting gardens or anything else you can think of.

[Arnizipal]

The terrain generator in Tome of Corruption (the Chaos supplement for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay) has a random terrain generator for the Wasteland ranging from deserts (both hot and frozen) to jungles, swamps and even orchards and farmlands.
Once you get close to the portal though all bets are off. That area is made of pure madness.

[Cypher, the Emperor]

I have one:

Have any of the "new" chaos special characters in the WoC book actually been mentioned before in any lore?

Ie Wulfrik, Festus, Sigvald etc

I know Throgg is mentioned in passing in some Bretonnian thing or another, but I don't think its by name.

[mrtn]

Not what I know.

[Fanfan]

[Slaanesh]

I looked around for answers, but couldn't find anything about the birth of Slaanesh in WHFB seeting. I know how He was born in the 40k universe, but how did He came to existence in WHFB?

[mrtn]

I don't think he's got any special birth, though he's called the youngest of the chaos gods.

[Desert Rain]

He was probably 'born' a long time before chaos entered the warhammer world. Since he is called the youngest of the 4 great gods he probably came into existance a while after they did.

[endless]

A whole can of worms... basically there is no informmation, in game. Outside, what happens if you try to wed two mythos, and then later try to make it work, then give up, then get (mis?)interpreted by people with too much time on their hands? Chaos, GW stylee.

[s5134195]

[Humans]

Venerable Longbeards,

How is it that the Humans have left such an extraordinarily scarring impact upon the world, having spent the least amount of time on it? The undead Humans of Khemri, the "immortal" Humans of Sylvania, the mutated, animal headed Humans that haunt the countless forests upon the surface, the legions of corrupted Humans ravaging the lands from the north. Indeed, we have even heard rumours concerning the origins of the dark Skaven.

If Grungni wills we leave this war-weary world, our magnificent history, written for posterity upon the walls of living rock within our glorious realms, will bear testimony to who we have been throughout the generations. This will be our mark and our seal upon the world, and those that come after will marvel and know the pride and magnificence of all we have worked to achieve and be.

But these Humans... They are as the surface wind, blowing first one way and than the other, changing in a moment. If our allies among them, precious few indeed, are overrun by the products of their own wicked ambition and arrogance, shall we be left to deal with the countless remaining manifestations of their wicked souls for the remainder of our duration here? Would it have been better that we eliminated them while they quarreled amongst themselves as petty tribes? Your patience, old ones, but surely more of our blood has been shed at the hands of these Humans than all the filthy grobi combined? Is it not so?

And consider a moment longer, I beg you... Were our allies to perservere, aye, and even to outlive us, can you say with certainty who they will be? We honour our past, and uphold and live in the good of it. Our ancestors would expect nothing less. Not so these Humans. Each is born to seek after its own desires. Some for good, but just as many for evil. A pious Human woman may birth a daemon of a child. It is the nature of their race. This generation honours their oaths with us, but who can say whether the next will. Perhaps even those we call friends will be brought up from their rest long after they have lain in their graves to take up arms against our descendants...

My thoughts are heavy, Longbeards. Perhaps another pint of Bugman's...

[Arnizipal]

They breed prolifically and are quick to adapt.

[Condottiere]

Skaven do that better.

[RobC]

From a metagame perspective, we're humans, and prefer our fantasy to be anthropocentric. This underlies whatever else was written: the humans are as they are, and everything else was written to accommodate the status quo.

[N0-1_H3r3]

How is it that the Humans have left such an extraordinarily scarring impact upon the world, having spent the least amount of time on it? The undead Humans of Khemri, the "immortal" Humans of Sylvania, the mutated, animal headed Humans that haunt the countless forests upon the surface, the legions of corrupted Humans ravaging the lands from the north.
Humans as the civilisations we know them as in the 'contemporary' Warhammer World (approximately summer of 2522 on the Imperial Calendar, 5522 on the Dwarfen one, and XI, 359, 3 on the High Elf calendar) are a relatively recent development, certainly, but humans have been around for quite a long time as a species.

Like the Dwarfs and Elves before them, the Humans (along with the less numerous Ogres and Halflings) were creations of the Old Ones in the Warhammer World's prehistory. Thus, humans have been one of the sapient species of the world since before the First Chaos Incursion, and indeed that catastrophic event heralded the creation of the original Beastmen at a time when the Dwarfs took shelter beneath the mountains and the Elves first learned of war.

The First Chaos Incursion took place nearly seven thousand years before the 'present day'.

As noted in the novel Malekith, primitive (pre-civilisation/stone age) humans were discovered by Elves and Dwarfs alike (during their time of alliance after the Elves began to colonise the land they then called Elthin Arvan, but which is now known as the Old World) about two millennia after that, but humans devoted to the Ruinous Powers existed at about the same time, granted gifts of weapons and armour far beyond their present ability to create by their daemonic patrons.

The earliest known human civilisation was formed around the River Vitae in Nehekhara, about two and a half thousand years before the coming of Sigmar, at the same time as the Elven and Dwarfen civilisations were thriving because of mutual trade and military alliance. Until it was torn asunder and obliterated by the machinations and magicks of Nagash, the Nehekharan people ruled an empire that stretched across the deserts towards what is now Araby, to the edges of the Southlands jungles, and through the Badlands and Border Princes to the southern reaches of what is now Tilea. As a civilisation, it endured for some fifteen hundred years.

In the wake of the destruction of Nehekhara, human tribes migrated north over the next millennium, eventually leading to the Old World as it was in Sigmar's time, with civilisation springing up in Tilea and Estalia shortly after the founding of the Empire, and the Kingdoms of Bretonnia and Kislev forming about a thousand years after that.

And this doesn't even account for the civilisations of men in far Ind, Cathay and Nippon or elsewhere in the world.

Humanity has been a major player in the world only briefly, this is true... but they have been a part of the world for almost as long as the Elves and Dwarfs who dominated it in ages past...

[the nightbringer]

[Dark Elves]

Is it possible for an independent Dark Elf family to just own their own (fairy small) island/city seprate from the new world and the witch king.

it's just i'm making a background and want to be totally seperate from them so as to use the history already in place up until about when they started raiding the other elves and the human barbarians.

[Lewis]

I have one:

Have any of the "new" chaos special characters in the WoC book actually been mentioned before in any lore?

Ie Wulfrik, Festus, Sigvald etc

I know Throgg is mentioned in passing in some Bretonnian thing or another, but I don't think its by name.

There was a character called Festus the Fiend, a Nurgle champion, who got killed by Werner Flamfist in the orginal RoC background...But I think Nurgle just attracts a lot of people called Festus because the Warhammer World loves nothing so much as an apposite forename. That's why no one's heard of Clarence the Despoiler.

On the matter of humans its worth pointing out that the other "good" races are in decline so they, and their dark counterparts, are perpetually shuffling from centre stage. If we look to WFRP 1st ed for our answers (always a good move in my opinion) we might note that humans are the most naturally chaotic of races and so it is natural that they should dominate the events of the glacial move towards the Warhammer World's armageddon.

[Harwammer]

Hi, I'm interested in knowing the names of the orc and goblin characters from the Idol of Gork campaign (5th ed orcs vs empire expansion). I think some of the current collectors models may be from this period.

If anyone could look up their names for me I would be really appreciative!

[Arnizipal]

The Goblin shaman was called Oddgit, and I think the Orcs shaman was called Nazgob. Can't remember the name of the Big Boss though.

[Harwammer]

Thanks for the quick reply, the goblin was the name I wanted to remember the most!

[zombie.lars]

[Khorne]

Ahoi!

Could you guys think of any colour Bloodletters could be (or Khorne daemons in general)? Well, except black. :)

Greetings,
Lars!

[snottlebocket]

[Khorne]

Ahoi!

Could you guys think of any colour Bloodletters could be (or Khorne daemons in general)? Well, except black. :)

Greetings,
Lars!

I've seen some really cool pale white-ish ones. Whatever the reason, the colour really worked for the models.

[CommanderCax]

[Khorne]

Ahoi!

Could you guys think of any colour Bloodletters could be (or Khorne daemons in general)? Well, except black. :)

Greetings,
Lars!

Red, black and brass were originally the colours of Khorne and his minions. Bronze is also often associated with him. So, how about some metallic (brass, bronze) Bloodletters?

[zombie.lars]

Red, black and brass were originally the colours of Khorne and his minions. Bronze is also often associated with him. So, how about some metallic (brass, bronze) Bloodletters?

I think it would look pretty awesome if only my painting skills would be better. ;) I mean, using a metallic colour for skin (even if it is demonic skin and somewhat surreal) will be pretty hard to make it look good.

And I think I saw some "bright" Bloodletters once too. Just don't remember where...

Thank you both for your suggestions. :)

[ThousandPlateaus]

And I think I saw some "bright" Bloodletters once too. Just don't remember where...

You may be thinking of John Blanche's Bloodletter in the White Dwarf with the new plastic Daemons in; it was painted to look like molten rock.

According to RoC: StD, Bloodletters vary slightly in colour from deep red to near-orange; they have black tongues, horns and claws. Their eyes are milky white with no pupil.

[The Devourer]

Chaos Dwarf Question

I know there isn't a lot of background about the chaos dwarves but you probably know more I have been able to find out with my research.

1) What is their language like? Is it similar to normal dwarves or is it something different? I need to find out for names of lords and places.

2) Are there any viable reasons that Chaos Dwarves would leave their mountains and go to war? I guess they could go slave hunting or on a raid for gold, but they seem to be able to get enough of both of these from Chaos Clans and Ogres (although being dwarves a bit more gold wouldn't really hurt).

[Arnizipal]

1) What is their language like? Is it similar to normal dwarves or is it something different? I need to find out for names of lords and places.
Going by how they named themselves and their cities, I would say they still use their old language.



2) Are there any viable reasons that Chaos Dwarves would leave their mountains and go to war? I guess they could go slave hunting or on a raid for gold, but they seem to be able to get enough of both of these from Chaos Clans and Ogres (although being dwarves a bit more gold wouldn't really hurt).Chaos Dwarfs are few in number so I don't think they would risk many all-out wars with other nations. Slave raids (for fun and profit :p ) seem to be the way to go.

[The Devourer]

Thanks for the reply.

I guess I'll claim they are on a slave raid or revenge attack ( as they are still dwarves)

What is the dwarven language like? I have never played dwarves so haven't paided them much attention in the past.

[zombie.lars]

You could use this (It worked well for my Chaos Dwarf BloodBowl Team):

http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/wiki/index.php?title=Chaos_Dwarf_Name_Generator

Greetings,
Lars!

[Arnizipal]

What is the dwarven language like? I have never played dwarves so haven't paided them much attention in the past.This site (http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Khazalid) seems like a good place to start :)

Chaos Dwarfs call themselves Dawi Zharr (literally Fire Dwarfs). It's in the lexicon at the bottom of the page.

[Born-of-Fire]

Would they let women into the Colleges of Magic? I know they did so reluctantly with the College of Engineering, but would the same be said for the CoM? Maybe a daughter of one of the heads of a college?

[RobC]

There are women in the colleges of magic. Selection is based on magical aptitude, not gender.

[Arnizipal]

Indeed. Magically gifted girls need to have some place to go once they are discovered.

[Lord Lucifer]

Folks with magical aptitude are walking thaumaturgic explosions/daemonic possessions waiting to happen. Females exhibiting magical tendencies, if not burned for witchery, are snapped up pretty quickly because magic don't give a hoot about gender

[Dargon]

Back in 5th Edition, Bretonnia went so far as to send all it's Damsels over to the Colleges of Magic to be trained in the magical arts. While this aspect of the background has since changed quite a bit from the Bretonnian perspective, the Empire attitude remains much the same.

Just a thought...

[Born-of-Fire]

Any notable half-elves in WF? do they even exist?

Oh, and thanks for answering the last ?.

[Condottiere]

If any existed, they are studiously ignored.

[RobC]

They've never existed in the rules, and the only hints at them in fiction have been strenuously denied and/or are very badly written. Rick Priestley has said on more than one occasion that he dislikes the idea of half-breed races because they take two strong archetypes and dilute both.

[Arnizipal]

Wasn't there a series of novels about a Half-Elf character? Or somebody that thought he was a Half-Elf?

[Condottiere]

That would be the notorious Gilead's Blood, IIRC.

[blindingdark]

I would imagine it would depend on where they were raised.

For example, a half elf / human raised as as elf would not want to share the knowledge that they are half human, somewhat embarrasing, where as one raised as a human would probably want to make the fact well known for some gain.. perhaps.

[Arnizipal]

I would imagine it would depend on where they were raised.
There's nothing to raise when there can be no offspring between Elves and humans ;)

[blindingdark]

lol, indeed. ;)
But, if said event was to occur, I dont think they would last very long if they announced it too the world.

[Condottiere]

Even if they existed, would they be considered mutations? A mutation doesn't usually enjoy a long lifespan in this world.

[mrtn]

Why should they? That doesn't make any sense at all. A cross-breed isn't a mutation.

[Aeriath]

Hi, I've come to learn about Halflings :D.

I'd like to flesh out my BloodBowl team's fluff. My plan is for the coach to be a wealthy Halfling with a taste for the theatrical (he dresses up like a Vampire but the necromancer he hired is doing all the legwork).

I'd like to know a few things about the viability of the above. What could he have done to become wealthy? What would other Halflings think of him because of dressing like a Vampire? Anything you can tell me would be great, thanks.

[Arnizipal]

Be an excellent and highly paid cook? Or perhaps a very good thief? Maybe he inherited a rich estate through a loophole in an old Imperial law issued by Emperor Boris Goldgather (who also granted the Moot independence).

Other halflings would think he was strange for dressing up as a vampire (their lands border Sylvania after all).

[Aeriath]

I'm shooting for bumbling incompetence for my coach (as a reflection of real life :p) so I think that inheriting the estate is probably the best option.

Thanks for the help, I'll probably put up a small piece of fluff once I get a plog going, although I'm going to wait until all of the mini's I need arrive before starting one.

[Condottiere]

You could name him Lumpin Croop.

[Aeriath]

Does that seem like something he'd retire to? A military leader is far too qualified to be an incompetent coach. Although in the alternate universe of BloodBowl, maybe Lumpin Croop became a coach instead of a mercenary?

[Condottiere]

Croop is an opportunist, who got hoisted by his own petard. It's easy to imagine that he got hold of a team in a card game. Can't get rid of it since his supporters are convinced he'll lead the team to victory in the Premier League; they might turn violent if disappointed.

[JoeTheMaestro]

A bit ago I was reading a discussion about the strongest characters in the Warhammer world. There was a Lord of change (not Kairos) mentioned who was described as having power similar to Kroak. Any idea who/what the character is called?

[CommanderCax]

A bit ago I was reading a discussion about the strongest characters in the Warhammer world. There was a Lord of change (not Kairos) mentioned who was described as having power similar to Kroak. Any idea who/what the character is called?

Amon 'Chakai most probably.

[Jack of Blades]

Can and do the servants of Chaos ''regularily'' get blessed with immortality despite not being Daemons? Either of the truly immortal sense as in needing a while to get back to the action ie. Daemons or the kind that they're immortal until killed in battle like Dragon Ogres.

[Arnizipal]

It depends how you look at it. Time flows differently in the Chaos Wastes. What appears to be a day for a Chaos Warrior could be a century in the Empire.

[Gammalfarmor]

Great Longbeards, what are the vaults?

[mrtn]

The mountains North East of Tilea, South West of the Empire, where the Black, Grey and Apuccini Mountains meet. Ususally written The Vaults.

[Gammalfarmor]

So they are only mountains? And do they have another meaning in them?

[mrtn]

Thinking about anything special? It feels like you've got something in mind, it would be easier if you said what that was...

[ooglatjama]

[Dwarfs] [Albion]

Can anyone tell me about the mountains in the middle of Albion? I want to base my dwarfs there

[Gammalfarmor]

Thanks, It was late and I was tired ^^ I know that they are mountains, but somehow they seem evil, with all the evil artifacts up there and so on. My question therefore comes to the thing is that do the vaults serve some purpose? Why does it exist so many things there? Are they only mountains?

[Arnizipal]

[Dwarfs] [Albion]

Can anyone tell me about the mountains in the middle of Albion? I want to base my dwarfs there
Backgroundwise there are no Dwarfs in Albion, though somebody with the Albion campaign booklet can probably help you further.

[Hennessy7]

[Warriors of Chaos]

Hi, I am pretty new to hobby, so I am really sorry for probably dumb question. I play Slaanesh+Tzeentch allianced forces and I would like to have soe citadel, or "hive" of my warriors, where they gather their forces. The question for me is, if chaos mortals would exactly do some thing like build a fortress??? I know they are nomadic etc, but is it possible to have a small army situaited and based in some citadel? I am thinking about Norsca tribe...

[Arnizipal]

Palaces, castles and citadels are scattered all over the Chaos Wastes, and the closer you get tot the gate, the weirder they become (there's even a flying fortress hanging around somewhere over there).
So yes, it's perfectly possible to base your army in a fortress up north :)

[Krzyek]

Few years ago I have seen a very nice artwork. It was some kind of a wigth or a wraith with a red robe, green sword and fiery eyes. In the background there was Morrsileb, the green moon. Is it possible for someone to post that artwork or a link to it ? I apologise if my message suppose to be posted somewhere else.

[Jedi152]

This one? (http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic192264_lg.jpg)

As you can see, it was the cover to Circle of Blood, the old 5th ed. Campaign Pack.

Gorgeous work, classic Mark Gibbons.

[Krzyek]

This one? (http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic192264_lg.jpg)

As you can see, it was the cover to Circle of Blood, the old 5th ed. Campaign Pack.

Gorgeous work, classic Mark Gibbons.

That's the one. Thank you very much.

[Arnizipal]

Could have done without those weird batwings.

[Jedi152]

I don't mind those, i'm not a fan of undead with bones on all their clothes and armour.

I guess it was the flavour for 5th undead though.

[CommanderCax]

... some kind of a wigth or a wraith ...

This was the in fact first depiction of a Banshee in Warhammer. In Circle of Blood the Banshee was included as some kind of special character leading a small force of the vampire protagonist of that campaign (i.e. the Red Duke). This was before the first Vampire Counts army list was released and the Undead army list still included mummies next to ghouls, wraiths and undead chariots. The Banshee sort of rode or flew on the winds of magic and was a level 1 necromancer besides being able to use her wailing that had one out of six effects you had to roll with a D6. I liked this implemetation a lot and was a little disappointed by the later version of the default banshee.

Didn't want to play the the smart-a** though... :o

[Jedi152]

Really? I assumed it was a wight. Was tha art dome specifically for the campaign?

[Tancred II von Quenelles]

This s a wight]
the banshee is the model of banshee with skeltal face and is still avilable to buy

[wyvirn]

[Theology]
Hey, i heard that at one point sigmar was intended or implied to be one of the lost primarchs from 40k. Is/was it true?

[zombie.lars]

Ahoi guys,

I need some info concerning ogres. I took a look at lexicanum.de (yeah, I'm german :p), it says that some ogres which live in Norsca or the Chaosdessert (Don't know how that's called in englisch, just translated it from german) tend to mutate through the influence of the chaos winds.

Further it tells me that the ogre society doesn't think it's something bad to have two heads or a third arm, as it enables someone to eat more.

My problem is: They don't tell anything about nurglish mutations. Are they accepted too? I mean, a huge abscess in your face won't help you to eat more (But then again maybe a two stone cyst in your belly would be something good to archieve as your belly would become bigger which is good? :D).

So my question is: Could you think of a group of ogres which received some of Nurgle's gifts? Or additionally a group of nurglings living with them? Kinda replacing Gnoblars?

Greetings,
zombie!

[Condottiere]

[Theology]
Hey, i heard that at one point sigmar was intended or implied to be one of the lost primarchs from 40k. Is/was it true?It's a common speculation; have you tried looking it up in the Background FAQ under number two?

[wyvirn]

No, i didn't see it until just now. sorry =(
thanks for the quick responsw though

[Burnt]

Any idea which edition of the HE army book the story of Aenarion was originally in and if so is there anywhere to read old army books online?

[enyoss]

I'm pretty sure it first appeared in the 4th edition army book, released in 1992. I don't think you'll be able to find it online, at least not legally, as the text is virtually unchanged in the current 7th edition book.

[Burnt]

Thanks for the swift reply, I just ordered a copy of the 4th edition online written by Andy Chambers among other, is that the correct issue?

[enyoss]

I can't remember who wrote it, but the front cover looks like this:

http://img268.imageshack.us/i/highelves1993.jpg/

Andy Chambers was certainly responsible for a lot of the output around then, although I only really remember his direct involvement with Skaven.

[Dargon]

Andy Chambers and Bill King wrote the 4th Edition High Elf Book. It does contain the original story of Aenarion.

The 5th Edition High Elf book (writen by Tuomas Pirinen and Rick Priestly) also contains all the original background and stories from the 4th Edition version.

Just a thought...

[enyoss]

Andy Chambers and Bill King wrote the 4th Edition High Elf Book.

Wow, I didn't realize that Bill King wrote the book too. I guess his input would have been limited to the background though, as although he took part in a couple of battle reports I don't think he was ever part of the rules design team. Maybe the lines were a bit more blurred back then though?

[Dargon]

Wow, I didn't realize that Bill King wrote the book too.
Well, the stories and backgroud ARE a huge part of the armybooks;).

Yes, it's very likely that Bill King was purely involved in the background of the Elves - particularly as he and Andy also get credits in the 5th Edition Armybook (so both of them wrote aspects of the book that continued into the 5th Edition volume). Jes Goodwin also has credits in both books, though his credit in the 4th Edition book is a secondary one, so I'm not sure what his involvement was - he may have not written a word, but got credit for being the original creator.

Just a thought...

[Khorneguy]

oh great longbeards, if the High Elves appease the 'dark' gods like Khaine and Hekarti, do the Dark Elves also appease the 'good' gods like Isha, Kurnous and Asuryan (albeit in a superficial way)?


also, do you know where i can find a highly detailed map of both the Old World and the Warhammer World in general

[Arnizipal]

Warhammer maps are rather easy to find using google image search.
=> Linky (http://www.google.be/images?q=warhammer+map&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=K3PlS4uqDsykOKOFteUN&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQsAQwAA)

As far as I can tell, the Dark Elves only worship their "own" gods. None of this appeasing stuff ;)
Of course the background for this is rather recent so it could still change. Last edition they only worshipped Khaine and Slaanesh.

[Arkfatalis]

Ok I have two questions that I have always wondered about so here goes.

1) Why is it assumed that the old ones created the race of man, ogres and halflings, yet they didn't create the sky giants? Surely if evolution + magic = Sky giants which are just big humans, surely men, ogres and halflings where created from a common ancestor? In 40k Ogres (Ogryns ) and halflings(ratlings) are sub species of man , so wouldn't it be safe to assume that in WHFB they also share a common ancestor?

2) What where the sky giants doing during the coming of chaos? I don't know much about them so I was just wondering why they didn't fight in the coming of chaos? ( they may've but I'm not sure )

[Ultimate Life Form]

To make confusion perfect add in the Dragon Ogres and you have a complete mess.

The best explanation I can offer is that GW background writing is an extremely amateurish and dilettantish affair, and I'm sure no one thought about the ramifications or such trivial things as profane logic. A major retcon would be in order I suppose. Until that time it is best to simply add this to the vast mound of glaring illogical loopholes found everywhere and pay it no heed. What you may not do, however, is apply 40K. Not because of me but because of the angry mob that will tear you to pieces should you suggest a link. Trust me, I have very painful experiences in that matter.

No one knows much about the Sky Titans, and it is probably better that way, lest we stir up even more questions.

[RobC]

The less cynical answer:

Sky giants haven't received much expansion in the background. As a concept they're very recent; before the Ogre Kingdoms book, both ogres and giants were considered stable mutations of humans, rather than Old One creations.

There are several instances where 40K and Warhammer Fantasy differ; the official line is that they're distinct settings with shared concepts but different interpretations. In Warhammer there's no suggestion that any of the races adapted by the Old Ones are related, though they perhaps share common ancestry – as do species in the real world.

[Drasanil]

In Warhammer there's no suggestion that any of the races adapted by the Old Ones are related, though they perhaps share common ancestry – as do species in the real world.

Well in the Time of Legends book Malekith, Malekith finds humanoid skeletons that share traits from dwarves, elves and humans, in the same city where he gets the Circlet of Iron, and it's hinted to have predated the Old Ones IIRC. So there is some hint that the old ones might have used a native species as the base for their work.

[Chiron]

Well in the Time of Legends book Malekith, Malekith finds humanoid skeletons that share traits from dwarves, elves and humans, in the same city where he gets the Circlet of Iron, and it's hinted to have predated the Old Ones IIRC. So there is some hint that the old ones might have used a native species as the base for their work.

So its a short tall skinny fat mutated skeleton?

[Drasanil]

So its a short tall skinny fat mutated skeleton?

IIRC it was described as skull and waist section of similar proportions to an elf, the overall build of a dwarf and the approximate hieght of a human. I don't remember much exactly except that an effort was made to include the three major races in the description.

[AzureEternal]

I have a question. I haven't kept up on the Warhammer novels as much as I used to, so I'm a bit in-the-dark in terms of what the current story is looking like. With that said, what is going on right now?

[Arnizipal]

I think you'll get a better result by being a bit more specific.
Unless someone in here is wallowing in free time I doubt you'll be finding somebody willing to type up the whole current background of Warhammer :p

[RobC]

The Warhammer novels don't have a single, continuous story. They share the setting, but most novels are either self-contained, or part of another series.

As Arni says, if there's a particular series you're interested in, let us know and we'll be able to give you a better answer. :)

[Lord Malorne]

The best way to get an idea of where the background is at the moment is to look at a few a Army Books, the summary of the armies timelines show what had been happening over the span of thousands of years so looking at just a few different armies versions of these (there is a lot of cross over) will let you know where the background is at this time.

Plus its a lot of fun to read up on :D.

[Dark Hippie]

[Witch Hunters]

What would a person in the warhammer world have to do to become a Witch Hunter? What are the steps to become one and what are the duties of a witch hunter?

[Arnizipal]

[Witch Hunters]

What would a person in the warhammer world have to do to become a Witch Hunter? What are the steps to become one and what are the duties of a witch hunter?
It depends on whether they are religious or secular Witch Hunters.
Most religious orders have a (small) Witch Hunter branch, who recruit members from regular priests of their order.

The Imperial Witch Hunters report only the the Emperor IIRC.

I'll have a look through my Warhammer Roleplay material when I get home...

[Tastyfish]

It depends on whether they are religious or secular Witch Hunters.
Most religious orders have a (small) Witch Hunter branch, who recruit members from regular priests of their order.

The Imperial Witch Hunters report only the the Emperor IIRC.

I'll have a look through my Warhammer Roleplay material when I get home...

First I've heard of secular witch hunters, pretty sure the imperial witch hunters are sigmarites first and foremost. Can't fight gods without one on your side, the Handbook seems to have a similar opinion.

The Empire seems to be on the cusp of its Protestant movement (so there is probably a few Hussite witch hunters, assuming that the return of Volkmar didn't dampen the revelution - which would explain Esmer's reaction) but not quite there yet. With Sigmar's importance on government I don't see there being many independant Witchhunter seperate from the Templar orders

[Chiron]

They report to the Emperor because of some... unpleasantness when they did not.

More on Witch Hunters can be found in Tome of Salvation, Tome of Corruption and Sigmars Heirs for the WFRP line

[Kallas]

[Vampire counts]

Any info on the tools, tricks and/or methods lahmian vamps use to generally do whatever they do (especially in regards to wiping out towns or killing off a lord or 2 if possible)?

[Jedi152]

Check out Bloodborn by Nathan Long.

It's a Gotrek and Felix spin off about Ulrika's life as a Lahmian vampire. Good read. You get to see a lot about the vampire heirarchy.

[Kallas]

Check out Bloodborn by Nathan Long.

It's a Gotrek and Felix spin off about Ulrika's life as a Lahmian vampire. Good read. You get to see a lot about the vampire heirarchy.

Perfect! Thanks...

[cornonthecob]

(Skaven)

Has there been any more information on the skavens nuke ?

[Arnizipal]

I doubt it will make it to any really official background since it was a fan project to begin with...

[cornonthecob]

SOC was a fan project ?

[Arnizipal]

No, but users/factions were encouraged to write stories for their battles and some of them were mentioned in the day-to-day battle reports on the GW site. The Skaven bomb under Middenheim was one of the stories that made the cut.

[cornonthecob]

Ahhh !

I never knew that , thank you very much :)

Is there anywhere I can find all of these stories ?

[Arnizipal]

Not anymore now that GW has refurbished its website :(

[mrtn]

I wonder if you couldn't find them somewhere in the labyrinths at http://underempire.net/index.php?act=idx

[Arnizipal]

The Skaven stories you'll probably find there, but IIRC there were stories for other (winning) factions as well...

[Naestran]

Lizardmen

I a trying to theme my skink army, would it be possible for a powerful skink chief/priest (tehenhuain) be able to somewhat unite the lizardmen in the dragon Isles and then launch a grand skink crusade :D. I'm trying to make my fluff a bit unique with no slann attached and few saurus. Also, would the dragon Isles have the equivalents of stegadons and terradons and salamanders. I can find very little fluff on these places but me and my friends are trying to make a campaign and I need fluff for my army.

[R-Love]

Lizardmen

I a trying to theme my skink army, would it be possible for a powerful skink chief/priest (tehenhuain) be able to somewhat unite the lizardmen in the dragon Isles and then launch a grand skink crusade :D. I'm trying to make my fluff a bit unique with no slann attached and few saurus. Also, would the dragon Isles have the equivalents of stegadons and terradons and salamanders. I can find very little fluff on these places but me and my friends are trying to make a campaign and I need fluff for my army.

There's almost no information on the Dragon Isles, besides saying they're savage and barbaric. It's not really clear if this simply means they're in a tribal state, or even reverted completely to little more than beasts. There's also nothing to say whether the local creatures would e the same as Lustria, So there's no reason to assume they aren't. I would point out that The Southlands fits your theme perfectly though, with few Slann (None of the older generations, and few of the newer), and Saurus are rare, meaning Skinks have to fill the Warrior ranks. There's a section in the 6th edition book with a bit of info, if you can get a hold of it

[Proctorkorps]

I have a question: Is the "Old Dwarf Road" in the Empire (Specifically Averland) used for trade between the Empire and the dwarves or is it just an old, decaying road

[BigbyWolf]

I have a question: Is the "Old Dwarf Road" in the Empire (Specifically Averland) used for trade between the Empire and the dwarves or is it just an old, decaying road

I would assume that the road is still used for trade these days.

[Proctorkorps]

I would assume that the road is still used for trade these days.

right, thanks! it could be pretty important to the background of my Averlander Empire army and i wanted to ask the longbeards before i went through with it

[RobC]

Bigby is right. It's still used as a major thoroughfare. Treat it like the mediaeval Europeans would have treated a Roman road: absolutely knackered, but still leagues ahead of the badly maintained, badly made contemporary roads.

[cornonthecob]

Does anyone have a picture of the robot that the wizard built in the Battle of La Maisontall ?

[RobC]

Does anyone have a picture of the robot that the wizard built in the Battle of La Maisontall ?Not to hand, but it was basically a Dalek.

[cornonthecob]

Damn , I really wanted to see it.

[Urgat]

Not to hand, but it was basically a Dalek.

Really? from what I remember from the rpg supplement, it was a tin man in the drawing.

[RobC]

Really? from what I remember from the rpg supplement, it was a tin man in the drawing.You're right, but the card counter for it in the original WFB supplement was... well, it was a Dalek. No surprises that it got changed when they resurrected it for WFRP.

[Dark Aly]

[i have no idea-background?]

i already own liber necris and liber chaotica and have really enjoyed both of these books. is there anything similar for other factions? or general history. particularly intreased in empire, dwarfs, elves or lizards (would like orcs too, but as they can't write its not going to happen). i do have the new (huge) rulebook- but the detail isn't there- otherwise it would encyclopediea britannica size. there was nothing in the black library that i could see, it was all novels as opposed to fictional reference. any thoughts?

some of the novels are ok- but i prefer ones dealing with characters as opposed to major conflicts like the storm of chaos or over apoclyptic events.

[Arnizipal]

The Critical Hit roleplay site used to have a full Warhammer Timeline (up to date to 6th edition), and a specific one for Dwarfs and Elves.
Untfortunately the site seems to be AWOL... :(

[Chiron]

You can find some good articles on the timeline on the various WFRP sites, particularly Mad Alfreds - http://www.madalfred.com/

Also theres a timeline in the core book.

Theres nothing really along the lines of Liber Necris or Liber Chaotica for the other races of the Old World as yet. There was a book examining several major battles of the Empire and strategies of battle told from the perspective of an Empire General but I forget the title (despite having owned a copy briefly)

Also theres a book called Blood on the Reik which features an artists impression of the Empire and its people, its just sketches but I think its an excellent book and sketches a broader picture of the empire than usual for WH books

[Dargon]

I don't own Liber Necris or Liber Chaotica to know if it's comparable, but for the Dwarfs there is GRUDGELORE (http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Grudgelore.html). No specific timelines in there, but lots of insight into the Dwarfs (and includes the Dwarf lexicon missing from the most recent Dwarf armybook).

Just a thought...

[Dark Aly]

I don't own Liber Necris or Liber Chaotica to know if it's comparable, but for the Dwarfs there is GRUDGELORE (http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Grudgelore.html). No specific timelines in there, but lots of insight into the Dwarfs (and includes the Dwarf lexicon missing from the most recent Dwarf armybook).

Just a thought...

that seems to be exactly what i was looking for- how did i miss it when i was browsing the black library website. thank you folks.

[Middenmordheimer]

(Empire) Do empire provinces have different uniform colours within them? As i like middenheim but dont really like the colours.
I would like to do some black and red instead for greatswords and my swordsmen so is there a place that has those colours? Also what province was Valten from?

[mrtn]

Yes. Just look at the different colours of Altdorf and Reikland.

[RobC]

Individual towns have their own colour schemes, as does pretty much anyone that has the resources to raise a regiment. If you want some black and red greatswords, go for it; just say they're Baron Waffelonn's personal bodyguard, or something.

[Naestran]

Do any of the longbeards know of vampires devoted to chaos, in particular Slaanesh, I don't have either the chaos ar the vamp codex on me so I was wondering if they could exist and if there has been any mention of them. Is there some fundamental problem stopping this from happening.

Another question is can elves become vampires?

[Arnizipal]

Chaos has very little to offer to vampires so if they exist, Chaos vampires are very rare. A thread about this can be found here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180378).

As for non-human vampires, this thread (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162990) might be of interest. :)

[wyvirn]

Might I ask what happened to the Pheonix Crown after the War of the Beard? My LGS owner said that the dwarves have it and it is tcked away in some Raiders of the Lost Arc esqe warehouse under a mountain.

[Chiron]

Yep, the Dwarves have it in Karaz-a-Karak, safe in the vault of the king.

[Kallas]

Out of curiosity, has there been any mention/reference of half elves? Trying to justify using a dark elf as the basis for a vamp trall conversion (and I'm well aware of the vamps only human thing).

[Ultimate Life Form]

Actually justifying an Elf Vampire would be easier than justifying a Half Elf (or a Half Elf Vampire for that matter). All references to halfbreeds have been abolished from the Warhammer lore ages ago.

[Kallas]

Actually justifying an Elf Vampire would be easier than justifying a Half Elf (or a Half Elf Vampire for that matter). All references to halfbreeds have been abolished from the Warhammer lore ages ago.

It was worth a thought, thanks anyway...

[CommanderCax]

Out of curiosity, has there been any mention/reference of half elves? Trying to justify using a dark elf as the basis for a vamp trall conversion (and I'm well aware of the vamps only human thing).

The Black Library novel Gilead's Blood (http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Gileads-Blood.html) features a half-elf as the main character if I remember correctly. Still, as ULF mentioned the references of half-breeds have been more or less abolished years ago (WFB 3rd ed. and WFRP 1st ed. featured half-orcs for example).

[Pitz]

I think first time I met this symbol is on this beatiful piece (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v258/PiccoloOne/?action=view&current=john_blanche_ogres_tower.jpg) by John Blanche titled "The Tower of Hrothyogg" I think, it was in the first edition WFRP rulebook, which was the first Warhammer-related thing released in Poland. Short time (short time for me, since WFRP was released here so late, but it was time of WH40K 2nd edition, so quite few years (7+) after original release of WFRP) later I met the symbol used commonly in Orc and Ork imagery, particularly identified as "da Evil Sunz symbol" in Codex: Orks and I assumed its an orcish symbol.

However, when GW released OK I couldn't fail to notice that some versions of Great Maw symbol are quite similar to Evil Sunz banner (particularly the one carried by Ironguts, with nose and eyes). Quite recently I stumbled upon the rules for Hrothyogg - turns out that he is an Ogre, and that symbol which is on the banner waving on top of his tower, and in a simpler form on his belt, was originally supposed to depict the Great Maw (closeup of Hrothyogg miniature (http://www.solegends.com/citWDAds/citwd1986/images/WD798607p50C23Ogres-01_03.htm); rules and fluff identifying his belt as Belt of the Eater of the Great Maw, also showing the banner (http://www.solegends.com/citWDAds/citwd1986/WD798607p50C23Ogres.htm)). While the one on the belt can be just some generic monstrous face thing, so common on Warhammer stuff, the one on the banner is unmistakable, with rays and checkered border.

So am I right in guessing that this symbol was originally invented as an Ogre Great Maw symbol, but later "stolen" by Orcs and Orks (since they were exploited way more than ogres), which forced GW to reinvent the Great Maw symbol again (this time as an irregular circle of teeth) for new incarnation of Ogres? Or maybe there is more to it? Are the pictures from WFRP (1986) and Hrothyogg rules in WD#79 (also 1986) the first time it showed in Warhammer imagery?

[RobC]

A thoroughly esoteric question, Pitz, but not one I can answer with much conviction.

You're right: the 'Evil Sun' symbol first appeared in the 'Hrothyogg's Tower' painting. The symbol is also described (in either Waaargh the Orks! or one of the early orc & goblin army books) as that or an ogre's face surmounting a sun, so the recognition of the source was still there even when the symbol had become an orc one.

My suspicion is that GW simply re-used the symbol, which is understandable as it's a strong, iconic design. Perhaps someone in the Design Studio used it on orcs/orks and the association stuck?

[Giladisb]

Out of curiosity, has there been any mention/reference of half elves? Trying to justify using a dark elf as the basis for a vamp trall conversion (and I'm well aware of the vamps only human thing).

Having an vampire passing himself as an elf would be justfiable and he might get away with more unusual stuff that when trying to act human.

[Kallas]

Having an vampire passing himself as an elf would be justfiable and he might get away with more unusual stuff that when trying to act human.

Now there's an idea...a very interesting one too...

[Dark Aly]

[Evil Sun]
incedently Pitz they're my two favorite ogre models of all time. it does seems that GW decided to re-use the symbol.

however, does it represent any significance to O&Gs (i.e. is it a symbol of Gork or Mork) or is it just a clan icon?

[Arnizipal]

The Evil Sun is just a tribe symbol to Orcs, like the Bad Moon is to Night Goblins.

[TheMaster]

(Dogs Of War)
What's the background behind the Elf dragonrider who is a dog of war.

[CommanderCax]

(Dogs Of War)
What's the background behind the Elf dragonrider who is a dog of war.

He is a High Elf Dragon Prince, who was exiled by the Pheonix King for being disobedient and in turn for not accepting any sentence. His disobedience was in fact defending Caledor instead of joining forces with Finubar at Lothern as ordered.

[The bearded one]

proof of the evil nature of high elves!

Burn the lot of them!

* grumble *

[TheMaster]

How is it evil if he disobeyed his orders? Didn't Gotrek disobey and kill his lord and the rest of the warrior in the hall?

[Artinam]

Isn't Gotrek a Slayer for his misdeeds ;)
Anywayz, High Elf take orders and loyalty very serious.

[The bearded one]

I'm not sure where that happened, probably haven't read that book yet, it seems a bit weird for a dwarf to kill his lord and all warriors in a hall though, especially since dwarf kings are usually the 'ardest dwarfs in da hold. Either there are circumstances I do not know about, or it's a writer fail ^^

I was simply taking a stab at elves though, as every honest dwarf player should ;)

I still say burn em, Gotrek became a slayer as self inflicted punishment.

[TheMaster]

"A vision of Arek Demonclaw shows that after returning from the Chaos Wastes Gotrek found his wife and children dead. The vision then shows Gotrek in the court of an unnamed dwarf lord, and Gotrek arguing with said lord. Afterwards the dwarf lord sends Gotrek to an unnamed fate (it is never made clear what was said as we do not hear what was said in the court). Gotrek kills the Lord and his bodyguard and all others that do not flee. Wrecked with guilt and shame Gotrek shaved his hair, becoming a Slayer. "

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gotrek_Gurnisson

[kroq'gar]

How is it evil if he disobeyed his orders? Didn't Gotrek disobey and kill his lord and the rest of the warrior in the hall?

Dont forget half the Elven race are orgy obseessed phycos and traitors/infiltrators turn regularly.

They are slightly touchy when somone ignores a direct command

[TheMaster]

(High Elves)
What's the background behind Prince Imrik?

[CommanderCax]

(High Elves)
What's the background behind Prince Imrik?

Imrik is the prince and ruler of Caledor and the last of the bloodline of the first rulers of the Dragon Princes since Caledor Dragontamer and the Phoenix King Caledor I. He is one of the few Elves still able to rouse Dragons from their slumber and is able to speak their language as well as no other living being (except Dragons themselves of course).

[TheMaster]

So he doesn't have any heirs? So when he dies there will be no more Dragon Prince rulers?

[Dargon]

So he doesn't have any heirs? So when he dies there will be no more Dragon Prince rulers?
Imrik is the last in the direct line of Caledor Dragontamer - a prestigious family to be sure, but presumably not the only noble family in Caledor. At least half the High Elf population seems to be made up of princes (they have enough Dragon Princes about to form entire cavalry units:shifty:), so there is likely never going to be a problem finding a successor from another noble family to step up to rule Caledor should Imrik pass before siring a direct heir.;)

Just a thought...

[Dark Aly]

Imrik is the last in the direct line of Caledor Dragontamer - a prestigious family to be sure, but presumably not the only noble family in Caledor. At least half the High Elf population seems to be made up of princes (they have enough Dragon Princes about to form entire cavalry units:shifty:), so there is likely never going to be a problem finding a successor from another noble family to step up to rule Caledor should Imrik pass before siring a direct heir.;)

Just a thought...

which is lucky as Imrik is pretty good at catching cannon balls with his face :)

[kroq'gar]

Dont worry, hes protected now by having no rules...

[_dandaman_]

Orcs and Goblins: Would it be fluffy in any way to fit a small unit of save orc or orc boyz in an all cavalry whaagh list?

[SkawtheFalconer]

I wouldn't have thought so - you've kind of answered your own question when you said, 'all cavalry'...

The real question though is can YOU justify it, in fluff terms? That, arguably, is your answer.

[Tastyfish]

Orcs and Goblins: Would it be fluffy in any way to fit a small unit of save orc or orc boyz in an all cavalry whaagh list?

Pork is delicious...

It's unlikely that the whole tribe or waagh will be mounted, or that there's an always an equal number of pigs to boyz. The foot troops could be yoofs who've yet to go into the badlands and capture their pig or perhaps the tribe members who ride in the caravans with the tents and loot - more interested in guarding the shiny things or bashing metal into choppas than riding a boar. Or slaves from a captured tribe who they make do that.

Getting a captured rival to do the boring stuff for you is fair enough, but not letting them join you when the fighting starts would be unorcy.

[snottlebocket]

Orcs and Goblins: Would it be fluffy in any way to fit a small unit of save orc or orc boyz in an all cavalry whaagh list?

Waaagh's pick up tribes as they sweep over the land. It would be easy enough to say it's a local tribe that joined up with the outriders of a waaagh still coming.

[scarletsquig]

[Empire]

Does Sudenland still exist? What happened to that province?

[Arnizipal]

Sudenland is a different name for Solland. It got absorbed into Wissenland after Gorbad Ironclaw's WAAAGH!!! devasted the area. It has since been repopulated but it didn't regain independence.

[StormCrow]

{DWARFS}

Do the dwarfs have a special name for warpstone? Also, could the longbeards name some of their best ale's. I saw a thread for it but didn't bookmark it.

[The bearded one]

I don't know about the warpstone but 2 famous ales I know are bugmans xxxxxx bugmans trollbrew.

[Dorack]

They would certainly have a name in Khazalid (http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Khazalid)(Dwarf Language) for Warpstone, but no idea if it had any specific meaning or something.

[RainSong]

[UNDEAD]

When/where was Krell last sighted?

[Arnizipal]

At the battle of La Maisontaal in Bretonnia I think. Together with Heinrich Kemmler he tried to take over the Maisontaal Abbey.

[CommanderCax]

[UNDEAD]

When/where was Krell last sighted?


At the battle of La Maisontaal in Bretonnia I think. Together with Heinrich Kemmler he tried to take over the Maisontaal Abbey.

That was in 2491 IC indeed.

Afterwards in 2495 IC he was seen at the Battle of Montfort Bridge where Duke Tancred of Quenelles confronted Kemmler and Krell once more and was defeated.

In the winter ('Winter of Woes') of 2495 IC Kemmler was often sighted travelling through the forest of Athel Loren, sometimes alone, often accompanied by a much larger, armoured, figure - the Wight King, Krell.

In 2497 IC at the Battle of the Cairns Kemmler found his way into Athel Loren and animated the Barrow Kings. Kemmler and Krell later attacked Athel Loren together, raising the dead from the many ancient cairns there, but were routed in the Battle of the Cairns, with Krell chased off into the forest, his fate unknown.

[Alathir]

[High Elves]

Is there any idea what colour the eyes of the Asur are? In the artwork I see them sometimes with entirely black eyes but othertimes not - is there a consensus at all? Also, how tall would the average Asur be?

[Satan]

That was in 2491 IC indeed.

Afterwards in 2495 IC he was seen at the Battle of Montfort Bridge where Duke Tancred of Quenelles confronted Kemmler and Krell once more and was defeated.

In the winter ('Winter of Woes') of 2495 IC Kemmler was often sighted travelling through the forest of Athel Loren, sometimes alone, often accompanied by a much larger, armoured, figure - the Wight King, Krell.

In 2497 IC at the Battle of the Cairns Kemmler found his way into Athel Loren and animated the Barrow Kings. Kemmler and Krell later attacked Athel Loren together, raising the dead from the many ancient cairns there, but were routed in the Battle of the Cairns, with Krell chased off into the forest, his fate unknown.

What about his appearance in Gotrek & Felix's Zombieslayer?

[CommanderCax]

What about his appearance in Gotrek & Felix's Zombieslayer?

Uh, interesting, I didn't knew that. Haven't read a Felix&Gotrek novel since Giantslayer. Is it mentioned when it takes place?


[High Elves]

Is there any idea what colour the eyes of the Asur are? In the artwork I see them sometimes with entirely black eyes but othertimes not - is there a consensus at all? Also, how tall would the average Asur be?

I don't think there is an overall consensus. I for myself decided that the eyes of Elves appear completely black only in darkness as their pupils can grow as big as the visible surface of the eye (by relaxing or tightening the muscles around the iris), thereby increasing the amount of light that enters the eye. That is why they have such a good night vision... :cool:

[Satan]

Uh, interesting, I didn't knew that. Haven't read a Felix&Gotrek novel since Giantslayer. Is it mentioned when it takes place?



I don't think there is an overall consensus. I for myself decided that the eyes of Elves appear completely black only in darkness as their pupils can grow as big as the visible surface of the eye (by relaxing or tightening the muscles around the iris), thereby increasing the amount of light that enters the eye. That is why they have such a good night vision... :cool:

Well, I can sympathize. Giantslayer was bad.

I can't recall really, but I'd assume it's fairly recent. It's the latest entry in the series at least. He summons an undead horde, takes Krell along for the ride but is defeated in the end and escapes: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer/Zombieslayer.html