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TsukeFox
21-01-2012, 22:14
Brake open the champagne-!! Dreadfleet is going away-!!

With luck GW will get on the ball and get to making army books for the 6th edition armies left.

IronShark
21-01-2012, 22:55
Explain please.

Dreadfleet was a limited run release with no expectation of support beyond the initial release. They were done with it as soon as it was released. Even if you're not a fan of Dreadfleet, it's doubtful it took any significant time away from army book releases, and certainly none after the release. So in what way is it 'going away'?

TsukeFox
22-01-2012, 03:52
GW website says "it is your last chance to buy lamefleet."

Odd that it was limited sales back in november/December

The bearded one
22-01-2012, 04:47
O noes, its been available for 2-3 whole months? The shame, oh the horrible shame!

By the way, it's not going to be available on the website anymore, but still in the stores that have copies. I imagine they're going to clear out the stock they still have for online sales and distribute all leftovers amongst their stores and independants.

If anything I imagine storm of magic to have used up more resources than dreadfleet, what with the 4 fulcrums, 3 plastic monsters, plastic wizards and finecast cockatrice and rereleased old model that came out for it.

Torga_DW
22-01-2012, 07:07
Personally, I think the biggest resource investment would have been sculpting the models. From what i've heard the rules are fairly simple and easy. I doubt it would have taken much time away from other releases.

Algovil
22-01-2012, 07:27
Not sure about the hate for dreadfleet, bought the game, and even though I am still to even play a game, I am happy with the purchase, really nice artwork, good quality sculpts and rules, just a nice, stand alone game.

On the other hand Storm of Magic felt a bit rushed, I enjoy playing it sometimes no doubt, but the balance between spells and items, and the fluff was outright bad. The Fulcrum and monster Sculpts almost felt like toys, for the first time from GW. Still good quality book and artwork, rules to tweak and use in games. Did I regret buying the whole package? Maybe, the fulcrums were a mess, but they were kind of cheap, the new spells and rules are fun and can be worked into other games, and last but not least the tin Vortex templates are really good!

I doubt that GW would have released more army books instead. Like you say, I do not believe that GW are limited by the time it takes to sculpt the models, from what I have heard GW have lots of different WIP and finished models lying around, waiting to fit in into the release scheme. Obviously GW had resources to spare here, it is not like we had to wait for army books! Overall I can not imagine how much stuff we got last year. My guess is that we will a few waves and another army book before summer, but last half of 2012 and 2013 will be all 40k, that is my guess.

Urgat
22-01-2012, 09:01
O noes, its been available for 2-3 whole months? The shame, oh the horrible shame!
QFT. Sometimes people just need to learn to shut up.


With luck GW will get on the ball and get to making army books for the 6th edition armies left.

Yes, yes, shelf and web space took all the time away from writing new books. Damn Dreadfleet.

Morkash
22-01-2012, 09:49
Meh, I don't get it. Judging from my LGS I could get a copy in 5 years without problems, they still have a copy of Wüstenwühlaz (Dunno the translation, an expansion of Gorkamorka) for sale.

Dreadfleet was released with Limited stock right from the beginning, but apparently didn't sell as well as Space Hulk. I can't say anything about the game, but I'm looking forward to Hobbit (who will take up ressources for sure) and anything else. There's a lot of stuff in the pipe for this year, according to rumours!

DeeKay
22-01-2012, 13:52
I can't understand the hate for Dreadfleet the game, it's pretty good as it is, but the way in which GW was peddling the game online and in it's catalo... I mean magazines, seems rather desperate. Can't say if that is what people are hating on, but it seems the most likely cause.

With regards,
Dan.

Haravikk
22-01-2012, 15:01
I really like Dreadfleet; I'm still a bit disappointed that it wasn't a full-blown rekindling of Man o' War, but it's in the same spirit, and it's a characterful, fun, maritime adventure.

Anyway, the fact that it's been limited for a while doesn't mean anything; the Engineer's Ranging Set has been limited edition since 8th edition of Warhammer came out, and I don't think I've seen a single set being sold :P
That said I do actually have one, but I got it free as a prize, not sure I would have paid £18 for it. Anyway, it just means they may have overestimated its popularity, or put out extra sets to try to make sure the Christmas period was well covered, and it seems that that's the case.


Regarding the comparison to Space Hulk; I really hope no-one at GW was stupid enough to expect that, as it's difficult to compare a one-off maritime war-game, seemingly with its own unique scale, to a Warhammer 40,000, standard 28mm game with lots of good Terminator and Genestealer models, since I'd wager people picked up Space Hulk just to get the models for 40k :)

BaSe
22-01-2012, 16:20
I hope they have plenty left tbh. I want copy but not at £70. The longer it hangs around the cheaper it will become 2nd hand or from
Other online stores.

ihavetoomuchminis
22-01-2012, 17:07
O noes, its been available for 2-3 whole months? The shame, oh the horrible shame!



Not to be rude, but September, October, November, December, and January ARE NOT 2-3 whole months. ;)

It is closer to half a year than a quarter.

The bearded one
22-01-2012, 17:17
Not to be rude, but September, October, November, December, and January ARE NOT 2-3 whole months. ;)

a total case of what-the-friking-ever, because I was responding to Tsukefox's "Odd that it was limited sales back in november/December" and really did not feel the need to do research. The releasedate was september 17th I believe? As it's januari 22 now it's been available for a little over 4 months.

The Low King
22-01-2012, 17:49
Not to be rude, but September, October, November, December, and January ARE NOT 2-3 whole months. ;)

It is closer to half a year than a quarter.

good point, i think that undermines his entire argument....

Urgat
22-01-2012, 18:09
Not to be rude, but September, October, November, December, and January ARE NOT 2-3 whole months. ;)

It is closer to half a year than a quarter.

Release was 1st of october.
so less than 4 months. 4 months is closer to a quarter of year (3 months) than half a year ( 6 months) :p

The bearded one
22-01-2012, 18:10
Release was 1st of october.

my google-fu has failed me :(

Commissar_Kahl
22-01-2012, 18:34
Shouldn't Dreadfleet (hate) threads be in specialist games thread?

I have no love for the game, it sounded stupid IMO from the moment I heard about it. Oh wow, it's Man O'War, GW's weakest specialist game, but stand alone. But i really don't understand the hate regarding it. It was a one off game designed to sell for christmas. It did it's job. Yes GW hyped it like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but GW does that for everything. If GW sold a pile of poo they would froth at the mouth while telling you how it was the greatest pile of poo in history and you need 3 for your army. That's GW's sales tactics, I guess some people haven't figured that out yet.

yabbadabba
22-01-2012, 18:53
Shouldn't Dreadfleet (hate) threads be in specialist games thread? More like GW General, that's where most of the nonsensical hate threads end up. BTW can you report an entire thread?

That's GW's sales tactics, I guess some people haven't figured that out yet. That's most company's sales tactics to be honest. You just have to turn on the tv or open a magazine.

I was hoping to buy one, and wioth the greatest respect to stockists, I hope a few might be around when I have cash again.

Spider-pope
22-01-2012, 19:35
Brake open the champagne-!! Dreadfleet is going away-!!

With luck GW will get on the ball and get to making army books for the 6th edition armies left.

Yeah because a limited run game that took sod all development time and consumed a fraction of the resources used for a single army update and has likely already paid for itself is precisely why there hasn't been a new Bretonnian book yet.

Confessor_Atol
22-01-2012, 20:40
This thread is LAME!

I can't believe TsukeFox would waste time posting about dreadfleet when he could have been sharing his wisdom about the core games:mad: We need your opinion TuskeFox! Don't post about dreadfleet, it just wastes your resouces!

/sarcasm...

TsukeFox
22-01-2012, 20:45
I am just sick of GWs scare tactic of "Limited release."

Magic cards are limited & get sold out but dreadfleet lasted 4 months??-with so much extra that it is just languishing in gaming stores-??

Priorities seemed messed up eh?

jack da greenskin
22-01-2012, 21:08
I am just sick of GWs scare tactic of "Limited release."

Magic cards are limited & get sold out but dreadfleet lasted 4 months??-with so much extra that it is just languishing in gaming stores-??

Priorities seemed messed up eh?

QFT.

You know what sells really well, is cheap, incredibly useful gaming aids for a game people already play. What doesnt sell too great is overpriced, weird scale naval games that have about as much strategy involved as a game of snakes and ladders.

yabbadabba
22-01-2012, 21:15
I suppose that's one way of looking at it.

sulla
22-01-2012, 22:13
QFT.

You know what sells really well, is cheap, incredibly useful gaming aids for a game people already play. What doesnt sell too great is overpriced, ...You could have stopped right there and it would have served your argument better IMO. :)

The bearded one
22-01-2012, 22:25
What doesnt sell too great is overpriced, weird scale naval games that have about as much strategy involved as a game of snakes and ladders.

but 40K isn't a naval ga... oh... ooooooh!

the_slosh
22-01-2012, 23:35
Can of worms :evilgrin:


but 40K isn't a naval ga... oh... ooooooh!

There really is no need to bash DF anymore, if people bought it and enjoy/ed it its fine and similarly choose not to buy it that is also fine

Never really understood all the rage different things can create in forum dwellers :D

ihavetoomuchminis
23-01-2012, 00:14
but 40K isn't a naval ga... oh... ooooooh!


That gave me a good laugh. I hope your post doesn't start a 40k VS. WHFB war. :P

The bearded one
23-01-2012, 00:26
Please note I also play 40K and need to pull out everything I can because my army explodes into dust if anything touches it :D

Urgat
23-01-2012, 06:54
That gave me a good laugh. I hope your post doesn't start a 40k VS. WHFB war. :P
Well, this war could be fought on the seven seas thanks to DF!

jack da greenskin
23-01-2012, 11:06
but 40K isn't a naval ga... oh... ooooooh!

Not going to lie, this made me laugh so hard I almost spat tea all over my laptop. Well played :p

BigbyWolf
23-01-2012, 20:25
I am just sick of GWs scare tactic of "Limited release."

Magic cards are limited & get sold out but dreadfleet lasted 4 months??-with so much extra that it is just languishing in gaming stores-??

Priorities seemed messed up eh?

Yes, they've over-advertised it, but it is limited release, so why is this a "scare tactic"? They won't be producing anymore, so once it's gone, it's gone. Magic cards are a pretty poor comparison, given how much less they cost. I don't even think that Space Hulk can really be compared, as that was a classic game that was always going to do well. If they'd redone Warhammer Quest I'm sure that would have sold out quickly too.

loveless
23-01-2012, 20:53
Space Hulk sold out because it had a nostalgia factor and had minis that could be used in one of the main GW games (honestly, the game itself is a bit meh, but it's a gorgeous set).

Dreadfleet had neither of those things - people weren't buying multiple sets to construct a Blood Angel Terminator force, nor were they picking up boxes to remind them of the boxed games of old.

You sell out of limited items that can be used in your main product lines, otherwise they tend to linger for ages (with a lingering period that I'm sure is correlated to the cost of the item).

That said, boo hoo if you didn't like it, no one made you buy it (it was just another game with hum drum rules and a gorgeous presentation). I'm also sure you'd do better blaming The Hobbit for any perceived delay in your army release instead of Dreadfleet.

The Low King
23-01-2012, 21:26
Blasted Hobbits!!!! always getting in the way of my plans.

GrimDog
24-01-2012, 03:07
It's already on clearence.

$70

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/itc-dread.html

Gekiganger
24-01-2012, 06:12
I am just sick of GWs scare tactic of "Limited release."

Magic cards are limited & get sold out but dreadfleet lasted 4 months??-with so much extra that it is just languishing in gaming stores-??

Priorities seemed messed up eh?

If you miss out on magic cards, woe - you have to look in the army book or make your own. Miss dreadfleet and you're out of the game bar ebay hunting, as someone who spent literally years trying to reacquire a copy of Warhammer Quest and STILL had to settle for one that was below the quality I'd have liked and paid a damnsight more than dreadfleet, which I'll happily admit is overpriced, I find it amusing to call a post stating that the limited stock is running out a "scare tactic", if they're still saying "Last chance, seriously guys!" in 2 months, maybe - but one post when things are running low is hardly the end of the world, nor responsible for any setbacks in Fantasy production.

I also find it worrisome that GWs attempt to deliver something different to their core system seems to be attracting so much flak, I'm not a fan of the game - but this response makes it understandable why they stick to pumping out different coloured space marines.

ihavetoomuchminis
24-01-2012, 11:05
but this response makes it understandable why they stick to pumping out different coloured space marines.

NO, just no. GW is not Space Marines and the rest of the world.

The Low King
24-01-2012, 14:03
I think he was using that to illustrate his point: every time GW seem to try something 'adventurous' they get flak for it, hence they stick to their old tried and tested sellers such as space marines.

ihavetoomuchminis
24-01-2012, 14:06
I think he was using that to illustrate his point: every time GW seem to try something 'adventurous' they get flak for it, hence they stick to their old tried and tested sellers such as space marines.

Maybe being adventurous isn't enough then.

Col. Dash
24-01-2012, 14:08
I am not sorry to see it go. I played a round of it this weekend and quit mid-game due to the rules being so bad. A dragon flying hundreds of feet in the air somehow blocks line of site to a massive warship? Really? Because the back of my ship is blocked by a piece of terrain but all my gun decks can see the target perfectly clear, only half can shoot? If they would have made better rules more akin to Man-O-war and allowed race specific fleets maybe, but then I could just play Uncharted Seas at the same time.

EmperorNorton
24-01-2012, 14:20
I find it amusing to call a post stating that the limited stock is running out a "scare tactic", if they're still saying "Last chance, seriously guys!" in 2 months, maybe - but one post when things are running low is hardly the end of the world, nor responsible for any setbacks in Fantasy production.
It's not just one post, though. They have been using that 'scare tactic' since the game went up for preorder several months ago.
By now it just smacks of desperation.

Harwammer
24-01-2012, 14:28
I don't think it's desperation, it's just the standard 'fear of loss' marketing strategy for limited releases.

Urgat
25-01-2012, 21:26
Or maybe, there's that absurd notion that it's actually almost sold out. Nah, couldn't be that, heh? :o

ihavetoomuchminis
25-01-2012, 22:03
Or maybe, there's that absurd notion that it's actually almost sold out. Nah, couldn't be that, heh? :o

Yes, and they know the exact day when they would run out of stock. January 31th.

yabbadabba
25-01-2012, 22:44
Well I suppose they could get a close approximation.

Seriously I think this is a case of "Nothing to see here, move along." A company releases a product and doesn't sell out. Whoop. As long as GW cover their costs then fine. The real damage comes in the impact on risk taking within the Design Studio and Strategic Planning dept. If Dreadfleet has been a turkey then we could see a few more wilderness years. as the vast majority of SGs were a suck-it-and-see approach, with some attaining instant success and other achieving a cult status after a long time, I think it would be a real shame if GW took the same attitude as the OP.

Harwammer
25-01-2012, 22:55
I won't be suprised if dreadfleet develops cult in the future... At the moment it is cool to hate dreadfleet so the only people buying it are those who really want it. There probably won't be as many people wanting to get rid of an impulse buy in the future (after DF has sold out) so fewer 2nd hand copies to pick up.


...mayhaps...

Torga_DW
25-01-2012, 23:01
Its always cool to hate things. Or love them. As long as you do it mindlessly. Personally i haven't seen any real issues with dreadfleet, sure it doesn't seem as popular as space hulk was, but so what?

Urgat
26-01-2012, 07:07
Yes, and they know the exact day when they would run out of stock. January 31th.


Well, ok, I admit they probably lack your accurate information, so they're most likely full of hot air.

Zoolander
26-01-2012, 08:49
A) Dreadfleet was actually a ton of fun to play - it was very well done. I bought it to possibly sell, played a few games and loved it enough to paint the ships.

B) Dreadfleet took minimal time away from writing books. They've finished working on it for over 6 months now. It's certainly not holding up 6th edition of WH40lame at this point at all. <see what I did there?!!>