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Echunia
27-02-2012, 09:25
Ok, so after 20 pages of arguing in the ETC thread I've gotten the impression that a lot of the people that hate comp see tournaments as purely competitive events. Instead of seeing them as an interactive event where you go to have fun WITH your opponent in friendly competition.

This is quite frankly, very dishartening to me. So I'd like to see what the community consensus is.

Edit: Hum, I failed to add a poll to this thread. Is there any way to do that afterwards?

Sexiest_hero
27-02-2012, 09:39
Most people go to win free stuff. Gaming conventions used to be where one went to see cool armies and such. Organize a gaming fun day or something. People bring the OP lists to win, is it fair to force them to play your "Fun" way? I dont think so. Thats why i don't go to tournies, not since 7th. See its cheaper to keep the army I have and slowly build up another, than buy one, pay to enter a tourny, and hope to beat all the other cheese. let theo power gamers have their tournies online arguments and rules lawyering non sense. Instead of trying to force your gaming beliefs on others, plan fun days with lil cool prizes, like a nice converted mini and save lots of cash and head ache. :)

Satan
27-02-2012, 09:50
I go with my friends in order to have a fun time and develop my own sense of tactics and strategy. I wouldn't go at it alone. Being a part of a team effort feels better and to be frank, I just don't have that magical ability (nor time) to "see" what works in a list and find those great combos. I'm better at actually playing and judging the "lay of the land" as it were.

Thus, it'd be a huge boon for me if the game was substantially more balanced. It's enough of an uphill battle using some of the currently available armies against others even with comp sometimes. And truth be told - the game isn't very fun at all when it's not balanced. Tournaments or not.

Morkash
27-02-2012, 09:51
Mostly for the gaming aspect. I'm not good enough to win, neither do I care who wins as long as both players have a good game. Meeting new people is great as well. So I'd say I'm more the "social tournament attender". :)

TrojanWolf
27-02-2012, 10:04
Generally to have a day of gaming. I never really expect to win, so I might as well just have fun instead! :D

The Low King
27-02-2012, 10:56
I assume this is partly directed at me?

Im reasonably anti-comp....at least anti-ECT, there is a lot i do like.

Every game i play i play for fun. If my opponant loses a game off one terrible dice roll (LOS rolls etc) i tend to just let them reroll it because i want a game. A good example was playing blood and glory against a list with few banners. First turn my cannon hits his General (accidently) who fails his LOS roll and diea, game over. So i turned round and informed my opponant i was retracting that move and fired at another unit instead.

Echunia
27-02-2012, 11:37
I assume this is partly directed at me?

Im reasonably anti-comp....at least anti-ECT, there is a lot i do like.

Every game i play i play for fun. If my opponant loses a game off one terrible dice roll (LOS rolls etc) i tend to just let them reroll it because i want a game. A good example was playing blood and glory against a list with few banners. First turn my cannon hits his General (accidently) who fails his LOS roll and diea, game over. So i turned round and informed my opponant i was retracting that move and fired at another unit instead.

Well maybe at duke ramults aswell :rolleyes: .

That's all well and good and a really nice thing to do, but I'm asking how you view tournaments.

Sarge.au
27-02-2012, 11:53
Two days of five or six guaranteed games with five or six different people, most that I have never played before. That's the only reason I go. If I win a prize, that's just a bonus.

Wishing
27-02-2012, 12:15
I guess that this discussion will be clouded by the fact that there is a big difference in how you view the tournament concept depending on whether you are talking about a theoretical perspective or a practical perspective. Discussions about comp are entirely theoretical, but the question in the title sounds like a very practical question, which is why most people are likely to reply "I go to have fun and I am a nice person" in order to underscore that they are not a WAAC ******.

People can be anti-comp and feel very strongly that the game should be played as it is written in the rules, and at the same time be a very relaxed and casual individual who just plays for a laugh without stressing about winning or losing. The reason for this is that the first opinion is based in theory and the latter is behaviour based in real life situations. That someone thinks that a tournament should be about the purity of competition rather than skew the game in various directions doesn't mean they cannot take a very casual and social approach to actually playing.

IcedCrow
27-02-2012, 14:01
I go for the lulz.

quietus1986
27-02-2012, 15:11
To play against people I never played again. Try to win but I like comps like etc ( because I can take fluff list and still do good I have a strigoi list )
but I do allot of tournaments jusit for fun.

AM1640
27-02-2012, 15:44
I have been to many tournaments over the past 15 years. I have never won best general, I just don't have the "skill" (ie luck and that's all it really ever is). Since luck er, I mean skill is such a large part of the game I like going to tournaments that have a comp system that rewards a balanced or underrated type of list, painting, and sportsmanship, (of shich I have won once and place highly in often)
Low King, I would have liked that you offered to change your cannon shot but I would have accepted the loss of my general. He should have known to duck and so he probably wouldn't have done anything else during the game anyway.
I would find it dissappointing to go to a tournament comprised of 4 games of battleline with regular army lists
and no restrictions and no bonuses for painting or sportsmanship. That is something for an afternoon game with friends. For a tournament I want to see a new challenge so bring on the restrictions, the new opponents from a different meta game area, the rushed last minute painting to get ready, and the whole day of gaming. I will try and win but I will enjoy the experience of losing a good game to a good opponent.

AndrewRogue
27-02-2012, 16:21
I will admit. While I am neutral to the comp issues (although I do think I prefer comp), if I go to a tournament, I go to win. Fun and the experience are a factor as well (I mean, if I didn't enjoy it, why would I go?), but winning is on my list.

eron12
27-02-2012, 16:45
I go to have fun, play games, (I don't get to game all that much) and play new armies (still need my first game vs. Brets). I do try to win, but I don't need to win to enjoy myself. However, if I go to a tournament, I'd like to play Warhammer, not a random person's variation or improvement on Warhammer.

The Low King
27-02-2012, 16:45
Well maybe at duke ramults aswell :rolleyes: .

That's all well and good and a really nice thing to do, but I'm asking how you view tournaments.

Tournaments are more to win that normal games. However i dont want to win with a Super powered internetz list....i will take a fluffy list and prove how awesome i am by beating 'better' lists in a fun way :D

......or more likely getting beaten but spending the entire game laughing because i got lucky and killed a Lord with a zombie or something


I get in a lot of games agaisnt people i havent played before quite a bit anyway because i play a lot of online warhammer battles :p

enyoss
27-02-2012, 16:56
I've only been to a couple (one small, one very big), so I'm hardly a hardcore tournament gamer. The reason I go though is to play lots of games of Warhammer. It would be nice to win a game or two, but it's much more important to me that I have a good time. Luckily, at the big two day tournament I went to I managed to win a half my games, have a great time in the process (in both the gaming and evening socializing), and managed to come away with one of the prizes which was the icing on the cake :).

So it's all about having fun really. For what it's worth, my least enjoyable game in the tournament I mention above was where I trounced a guy who had gone very comp friendly. I gather his easy going comp was partly a response to previous tournaments where he had been hammered on the comp score for being too hardcore. Still, I got the feeling he was frustrated he had to comp at all and was irritated his overcompensation had cost him several games, so it could have been better.

Hinge01
27-02-2012, 17:26
I love the challenge of playing people outside my immediate group. Their Meta, tactics, list construction philosophy, etc. I love the variety and frankly, would get pretty bored playing my buddies all the time.

Additionally, I belong to a rather large group, so it is an excuse to go hang out with buddies for the weekend.

As a side benifit, I now have friends in other parts of the country that I would have never met if not for travelling to tournaments.

I could care less about the prize support and in no way factors into my decision to attend a tourney. Who is running it, the atmosphere they are trying to create, and the player pool that shows up are the determining factors.

I never can understand why players complain that there is comp (or no comp) at a specific tourney. As long as the rules are clear before you go in, you choose to particpant under those restrictions (or lack there of), accept it and enjoy the event as the TO is trying to present. If you can not find a tourney that fits your standards, I suggest running one. Running a major tournament is a thankless job that the TO is doing for no reward (do not even think they make money). Try thanking them afterwards rather then racing out because you did not win.

Hinge

Duke Ramulots
27-02-2012, 17:39
Well maybe at duke ramults aswell :rolleyes: .

That's all well and good and a really nice thing to do, but I'm asking how you view tournaments.

Yay!!! An @ me thread :)

Ive only been able to stomach going to two tournements(one comp, one not) since comming back to the hobby six months ago. Neither were enjoyable as the comp one was, well not warhammer and the non-comp one was full of the same people complaining about the few guys who brought cut-throat lists.

So I decided to just play one off games against people who want to play warhammer with all the rules and the "competetive" scene can go to hell. Then of corse I work on the weekends and that makes doing all day events hard to schedule.

CaliforniaGamer
27-02-2012, 17:41
Definitely running a tournament is a thankless job, at the end of every event I actually wonder why TOs continue to do it. The bitchin always outweighs the thank yous...

Jind_Singh
27-02-2012, 18:19
I love to go to tournaments - for me its because:

1) I get to see some truly awesome looking armies that I wouldn't normally see
2) I get to play people I haven't played before
3) I get to test my skills against other players - indeed I get to face some of the top generals in the area
4) I get to take my Goblins and play multiple games with them
5) I get to pit my skills against others - and see if I can beat them!!
6) Meeting new people - and swapping stories and enthusiasm about our beloved hobby
7) Getting to shout non-stop for 2 days!!!

I just LOVE going to tournaments - it's a very social, interactive - you get to enjoy the hobby at a different level - I don't like events were the TO (tournament organizer) doesn't reward painting, I do like soft score events as it's the overall hobby that's important - not the win/loss/draw record of a player - besides, I've never gone to a tournament without a painted army - it's disrespectful to the other player.

Another huge factor is every event I go to forces me to paint more units or add more detail to units I have - so it's a good way to force me to progress with the hobby.

If you've not been to one try out a small local event - and see if whets your appetite.

Midloo
27-02-2012, 18:26
I go to see all the armies that people have put effort into creating. Sometimes a handful of them are just awe-inspiring. I always go hoping that the games will be fun, but I try not to expect that they will be, because some people will bring the cheese that makes the game a bear to play. After a couple of tournaments with my Lizzies in 7th edition, I realized that I was often getting paired up against some tough lists. I starting playing O&G and all of a sudden the tournament scene was more fun! Yes any army can do well in the hands of an experienced general, but some armies are considered top-tier by tournament organizers and they will often pair those armies off against one another (at least in the early rounds). If you aren't trying to win at all costs, taking one of the perceived lower-tier armies can make the event more fun.

thesheriff
27-02-2012, 18:43
I think I mostly go for a break. Tournamnets are a great excuse to blow off steam and get stuck into some gaming on a weekend. Meeting new people and having a competative experiance are also quite enjoyable.

thesheriff

Warlord Gnashgrod
27-02-2012, 19:54
Like most others have said, I go to tournaments because it's a chance to play against different people than my usual group, to see others great jobs with painting/conversions, and to play games and have fun.

Though I do prefer a bit of comp (like painting, sportsmanship) at a tournament myself. I never cared much for the Hard Boyz things, as it just attracts the uber WAAC players. I will do my best to win, but against some of the WAACers, it's just not a fun game, and that's what I want the most.

All this being said, I rarely get the chance to go to a major gaming event, where there are 5+ games. It's usually just a 3 game tourny for me. And I can see where for the really big tournaments that some army restrictions are necessary, to prevent things like the "poison skink army", etc. Playing against some armies like that is almost no fun at all. Still, I would like less restrictions to more, as things just get too complicated.

It's rather a fact that Fantasy and 40K don't work really well in a major tournament setting. When you need that many army balancing rules, it should be obvious.

Phazael
27-02-2012, 21:14
I go to Tournaments to play people outside my group, like others have stated here. I also go to see how others play so that I can make my own events better and be a more effective judge. The comp system is largely irrelavent to me, as long as I can play what I want and there are some safeguards from a total jackass steamrolling their way to victory. I just like knowing what I can expect ahead of time so that I can bring an appropriate list to the event. Anyone who goes for prize support is being silly, because no matter how good a player you are it is the height of hubris to expect to win an event. Ironically, the two events I have had the most fun at have been at the opposite ends of the comp spectrum, QCR (heavy comp) and Blob's Park (no soft scores at all). Give me a cocktail and a table with someone I never played before who is a good sport and I am down with it.

zak
27-02-2012, 21:37
I go to tournaments to play the extra games and meet new opponents. I play to win, but hopefully at the same time have fun. I don't take cheesy lists, but have faced many and look at it as a challenge to see how well I fare. To be honest with my dice rolling it's unlikely the list I took would matter!

Lord Inquisitor
27-02-2012, 22:24
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women! :evilgrin:

Ahem.

As with most people there's multiple things that attract me to tournaments:


Get three or more guaranteed games of Warhammer in against new opponents (with a wife and kids it's generally much easier to get away for a day every month than try and organise regular games)
See lots of cool armies
Really test my army against expert opponents with new and unfamiliar builds - I love the challenge
Road trip with my friends (especially to GTs)
Socialise with other gamers - share the stories of heroism and horrible luck after the games
A hard deadline to get my figures painted for (silly as it may seem, it's a big deal for me, I'd never get anything finished ever otherwise)
Planning for a big event is a lot of fun - to build a list under whatever comp restrictions apply and then playtest (ideally with tournament scenarios) with friends.
To win models - a particular low point was when I bought models (I couldn't afford) for my army on credit from the game store on the premise that I could then pay for them when I won the tournament the following weekend. I did win the tournament and paid off my debts but it was then that I first admitted I had a problem :o.

Lastly, I think most people would be fooling themselves if somewhere in their heart there wasn't this desire:

To win!

Unlike many I like both comp and noncomp events. Contrary to common belief, I've not really seen any less sportsmanship at Ard Boyz than those with sports scores. Cheese levels through the roof but that's not bad sports or WAAC to me at all. Some people seem to get confused between poor sports and optimised or extreme lists. I'm not a fluffy player, not anymore anyway, you can bet my list will be the nastiest that the comp allows and I'll freely admit that I hate losing (if things do go pear shaped, I do attempt to lose with good grace but I know I'm not always successful). If I enter a tournament I do so with the intent of getting to the top - I may not always take best overall but chances are you'll have to go through me to win. But tournaments are social events and that's always a big factor.

vinny t
27-02-2012, 22:50
I enter tournaments just so I can get a challenge and play new people. I would honestly love to win something but that isn't my number 1 goal. As cheesey as it sounds, I just like having fun. :D

Avian
27-02-2012, 22:57
I did a poll a while back that asked people if they went to tournaments to have fun or to have boredom and more than 95% of those who voted said they went to have fun.

Petey
27-02-2012, 23:01
Ok, so after 20 pages of arguing in the ETC thread I've gotten the impression that a lot of the people that hate comp see tournaments as purely competitive events. Instead of seeing them as an interactive event where you go to have fun WITH your opponent in friendly competition.

This is quite frankly, very dishartening to me. So I'd like to see what the community consensus is.

Edit: Hum, I failed to add a poll to this thread. Is there any way to do that afterwards?

To win models and have fun. The more models, or more exclusive the models the better. The more fun the more better

Lord Inquisitor
27-02-2012, 23:07
I did a poll a while back that asked people if they went to tournaments to have fun or to have boredom and more than 95% of those who voted said they went to have fun.

I suspect most of the remaining 5% had a list that included the folding fortress. ;)

RanaldLoec
27-02-2012, 23:38
Why I don't attend tournaments.

1) The unwritten agreement with my wife is Monday night is gaming night. Week days off when she's working a fine to go gaming. Weekends off are husband and wife time.

2) Entry fees, I can play for free.

3) 2500 seems small I'm a bigger is better fan boy. I spent years as a teenager playing 1.5 to 2k battles dreaming of going to a spartacus style size battle.

4) I dislike restrictions because some one interprets certain units or items as unbalanced. Play the using the rule book and army books as they are written. Sure I dont like facing 3 hydra or HPA's but i'll give it a go.

Reasons why I want to play in tournaments

1) I've never been to an official tournament, I would like to try.

2) I like relish the challenge of writing a list to win vs any army.

3) I love meeting new gamers, as it means more people to play.

I'm not for or against tournaments I believe they have a place in the hobby like any other event.

Jind_Singh
28-02-2012, 00:55
Oh - another reason I like to attend tournaments...

BEER AND WARGAMING STORIES AT THE END OF THE NIGHT!!!

It's true - this is a huge bonus of going to events - especially ones out of town - attended Gottacon, 1st ever major event, on the island of Victoria - loved it for the socialising after games - took me back to my days of being young and free!

Duke Ramulots
28-02-2012, 01:00
Oh - another reason I like to attend tournaments...

BEER AND WARGAMING STORIES AT THE END OF THE NIGHT!!!

It's true - this is a huge bonus of going to events - especially ones out of town - attended Gottacon, 1st ever major event, on the island of Victoria - loved it for the socialising after games - took me back to my days of being young and free!

Beer and wargaming is a great combo(arrogant bastard being my favorite), the guy at my local store allows me to drink so long as I dont have the beer in an identifiable container.

Gop
28-02-2012, 01:21
I go to get in 5 good games with like minded people. If I win something that's a bonus.

Bodysnatcher
28-02-2012, 06:47
Been doing GTs for nearly ten years now.
You meet lots of new people, you get to see lots of new armies, you see novel tactics and concepts.
And as the GTs/ToS tournaments are at Warhammer World, you get to abuse Bugman's bar and do lots of direct ordering from FW.

Ten of us from the Reapers are going up for the WHFB Doubles in May. It's done well so far for reinvigorating people's playing and getting more armies sorted.

t-tauri
28-02-2012, 15:15
A number of offensive and trolling posts removed.

t-tauri

The Warseer Inquisition

Phazael
28-02-2012, 15:55
I think everyone goes to try to win something, but there is so much luck that goes into Fantasy between matchups, dice rolls, and so on, that no one without severe ego issues would go in assuming they would win. Even when I go in with a strong list and a determined will to win my attidude is that I am going to execute a strategy and let the dice fall where they may.

Hinge01
28-02-2012, 16:29
Agreed. I go in with a goal for a top ten finish. Pulling a Best Overall has to many variables out of my control. Did the judge like my paint style? Did I avoid pulling an army that is geared to beat mine? Did the dice bite me in the ass? Did I avoid a player who will tank your sports just because he lost? Am I so hungover I am confusing the rules of Warhammer for Risk?

Lord Inquisitor
28-02-2012, 18:55
I think most GT winners would agree that luck plays a part in winning. At some point there's a moment when you just have to grab the dice and pray.

Morkash
28-02-2012, 19:07
There is an excellent post hidden in the depths of Warseer on psychological warfare, which goes in a very similar direction. Luck plays a big role, as does audacity - sometimes. Be unexpected and all could turn out well in the end! :)

Duke Ramulots
28-02-2012, 19:09
I think most GT winners would agree that luck plays a part in winning. At some point there's a moment when you just have to grab the dice and pray.

I dont think anyone I know would argue against that.

samael
28-02-2012, 20:52
Why I go to tournaments in a VERY particular order:
- Meet old, and hopefully, make new, friends.
- Drink beer.
- Roll dice.



oh and check out other peoples armies for inspiration/admiration , almost forgot

dimetri1
29-02-2012, 03:03
I attend with the intention of winning. That said I am not a DB. I finish with high sportsmanship, composition and painting marks.

Coragus
29-02-2012, 03:26
I play so little anymore that tourneys are about the only chance I get. Consequently, I don't do well.

Jind_Singh
29-02-2012, 08:22
133932

Here is another reason to attend tournaments - you get your picture taken if you come in the top 4!!

Me last month at a 44 strong Warhammer Tournament - I came forth with my 100% All Goblin army list. The bumpy road to 4th sport came wins over with:

1) Thorek & his Anvil, along with warmachines and Stunty Warrior blocks
2) Duel Hydra, Corsair Horde, Black Guard, Shades, Dark Riders, Cauldron of blood lovely jubliees
3) Empire with none other than Karl Franz himself and the artillary baggage of Nuln
4) Vampire Counts of the ethereal nature - Spirit hosts, Wraiths galore - along with Grave Guard, ghoul horde, and a terraghist

With a loss to the actual event winner - a Warriors of Chaos Tzeenth list (no Chosen but he still rolled a 12 for his main block of Warriors 1st turn anyway) - which he won by JUST 165pts!!

So another reason I like to attend is to show that you can do well without bringing out the cheese - you can build an army for the sheer pleasure of it and still give it some revs at a top event!

Lord Inquisitor
29-02-2012, 14:14
Damn. I must go to the wrong kind of tournaments... No girls in armour bikinis at all!

Phazael
29-02-2012, 21:34
You should go to QCR Lord Inquisitor. Beer Wenches and a bayside view! Mike Hengl and his guys put on probably the best Fantasy Tournament, in terms of being fun, in the entire USA.

Lord Inquisitor
29-02-2012, 21:54
Heh, I'd love to. San Francisco is a hell of a ways from Virginia though. Although I almost actually started thinking about it as I just realised I'll have family there at the right sort of time this year... and then I realised it's sold out. :D LOL it was a silly idea anyway. :o

Phazael
29-02-2012, 23:35
Its worth the trip. Most fun place to lose a game of warhammer ever.

Hinge01
01-03-2012, 00:31
Can I qoute you Phazel:D Thanks for the props.

While we are sold out, we usually have 5-6 drops a year. If you are on the first 5 of the wait list, it is a safe bet you will get in. If you fly across country to attend, we will make sure you get in.

BaSe
01-03-2012, 07:56
To win.....

I've never won :(

I do go to win but dont expect to win. I always want to do well and enjoy every game (win or loose) unless I get white washed due to nothing but bad dice.

I mainly go for the social side. My favourite tournament was one where I got a little drink as dud my friend. We then ended up in the bottom table last round and had a choosen off to see who got the wooden spoon . It was him ;)

enyoss
01-03-2012, 14:20
You should go to QCR Lord Inquisitor. Beer Wenches and a bayside view! Mike Hengl and his guys put on probably the best Fantasy Tournament, in terms of being fun, in the entire USA.

I was just thinking of this one after seeing that picture. I went in 2011 and have to agree that it's an awesome tournament. I'm not going this year, but I plan on visiting the US from London specifically to take part again next year :).

Lord Inquisitor
01-03-2012, 20:32
LOL thanks Hinge! I appreciate it. After looking at airfares I don't think there's any way it could happen but I'll let you know if there's any way.

Whoa enyoss, that's quite a trip just for a tournament!

enyoss
02-03-2012, 09:32
Whoa enyoss, that's quite a trip just for a tournament!

Luckily, SF is a really fun city to visit in any case, so it's worth taking a few days either side to relax and turn it into a full blown holiday. It's not like I make a habit of jetting around the globe coming bottom third in tournaments :D.

BirchbarktheAncient
02-03-2012, 10:58
Most "tournament boys" where I live are really detestable human beings. Whenever we have a tournament at my local GW store, they just cry, whine, argue, cheat, and otherwise annoy the regular gaming crowd. When a guy does win a tournament or God forbid, an "outsider," they spend the rest of the night crying about how they were "cheated" or how "their dice just failed them." LOL, tournaments are a BIG turn-off to the regular Saturday gaming crowd. I've found that they're mostly guys who have "something to prove," yet for the life of me, I can't figure it out. I prefer gaming with the crew of regular gamers and tend to avoid tournaments like the plague.

Omnichron
02-03-2012, 13:51
Most "tournament boys" where I live are really detestable human beings. Whenever we have a tournament at my local GW store, they just cry, whine, argue, cheat, and otherwise annoy the regular gaming crowd. When a guy does win a tournament or God forbid, an "outsider," they spend the rest of the night crying about how they were "cheated" or how "their dice just failed them." LOL, tournaments are a BIG turn-off to the regular Saturday gaming crowd. I've found that they're mostly guys who have "something to prove," yet for the life of me, I can't figure it out. I prefer gaming with the crew of regular gamers and tend to avoid tournaments like the plague.

Ouch, I wouldn't want to join such tournaments. There are always some who complain, or get a bit sulky after a game going down the drain. Personally I take it with a smile, even if the dices and the game goes against me and I feel unlucky. Being unlucky is part of the game as well, and you can still win while your luck isn't with you. There are some defeats I find irritating, mostly because if mistakes I do myself. That's the worst games.

I go to the tournaments for the challenge, meeting other people and armies I don't get to play against as often, and I like the competition. A normal game is fun, but when your opponent really wants to win and makes a hard list, it makes it so much more challenging and better... although sometimes a cheesy list can be quite boring. Gunlines especially.

BirchbarktheAncient
03-03-2012, 11:45
Ouch, I wouldn't want to join such tournaments. There are always some who complain, or get a bit sulky after a game going down the drain. Personally I take it with a smile, even if the dices and the game goes against me and I feel unlucky. Being unlucky is part of the game as well, and you can still win while your luck isn't with you. There are some defeats I find irritating, mostly because if mistakes I do myself. That's the worst games.

I go to the tournaments for the challenge, meeting other people and armies I don't get to play against as often, and I like the competition. A normal game is fun, but when your opponent really wants to win and makes a hard list, it makes it so much more challenging and better... although sometimes a cheesy list can be quite boring. Gunlines especially.

I used to love them! Things started turning for the worse around the end of 6th edition and just spiraled downwards ever since. They are so bad nowadays that most regular gamers just avoid them altogether.

yabbadabba
03-03-2012, 12:30
WFB tournaments started dying for me at the end of 5e/ begining of 6e and were buried in 7e. Even the social side cannot make up for it, so I stick to campaign weekends and playing with mates or in clubs when I can.

Durloth
04-03-2012, 21:55
I love tournaments for the social aspects and the prospect of playing against armies and opponents I would never meet otherwise.

I have done quite well in many tourneys, though it's been years since the last time I won one, and I've found I have the most fun around the mid-tables. In the bottom ones, there are generally new players or ones that don't care enough to make it a fun and challenging game and on the top there is too much pressure and people tend to care a bit too much, sucking the fun out of it. In the mid-tables there is still contention, but as long as one isn't playing to win the big prize, the games tend to be more friendly and easy going.

I've never understood the players who care more about winning at all cost, than their own- and the opponents enjoyment. It's not like the prizes in tournaments tend to be so valuable that buying a gunline (or whatever is the greatest WAAC fad at the moment), paying the fee and the traveling expenses is a good investment anyway. If you want the damn box of minis or whatever, just buy them yourself and go to the tournament with an army that's fun for all parties instead!

enyoss
05-03-2012, 01:25
WFB tournaments started dying for me at the end of 5e/ begining of 6e and were buried in 7e. Even the social side cannot make up for it, so I stick to campaign weekends and playing with mates or in clubs when I can.

Was the scene that developed in 5th edition and earlier editions? I remember reading White Dwarf where one of the original Tale of Four Gamers guys played against the in-house GW champion (a Chaos Dwarf player), but that was about the first I had heard of it. I had grand dreams of playing WHFB for fun in a competitive atmosphere around 1996, and then when I first heard tales from tournaments circa 2003 it put me right off!

I just can't imagine how it would have worked in 5th edition, either popularity-wise or rules-wise. Those rules had holes all over the place, and there were some severely overpowered things flying around (e.g. the Dwarf organ cannon, which was basically 5 regular cannons strapped together, but which cost 65pts rather than 110pts, for the mild inconvenience of having to reload every other turn!).

Duke Ramulots
05-03-2012, 05:33
I for one never had a big fantasy group to travel to events with. I had a big 40k group and that did make the events fun so I see what you're saying.

quietus1986
05-03-2012, 05:35
Mostly it only one guy I play the most with know its starting to get to 4 people ( that's allot if only 40 players in a tournament )

FashaTheDog
05-03-2012, 06:30
Definitely running a tournament is a thankless job, at the end of every event I actually wonder why TOs continue to do it. The bitchin always outweighs the thank yous...

I got to run my first tournament last month, albeit a 40K one, and I enjoyed it. I spent a month working out fancy new scenarios and play testing them (I used a friend I knew never attends tournaments and numerous me vs me games). Everyone had a great time, people got prizes, and I was thanked by everyone including the store owner. The only complaints I heard were directed at silly dice rolls; you know, the good natured kind that makes for good gaming stories later.

As to why I attend any tournaments, Fantasy or 40K, I used to do it to win, occasionally I still do. Now I mostly do it to get three guaranteed games as I've found it harder and harder to find fantasy games on my schedule (everyone else is available when I'm not and vice versa). Being able to throw down against everyone's best list is also fun, win or lose. The last tournament I won was at a place I regularly play and I told the store owner to pick a piece of terrain off the shelf he'd like to add to the store's collection and I'll assemble and paint it. I'll admit I'm still working on it thanks to surgery and school taking more time than I'd like them to and operas in NYC, but I should be done soon, either this week or next.

Comp and painting scores are something I like to know about in advance so I can factor that into my army, but otherwise I'm rather ambivalent about them. I see comp scores as a way to change the standard lists one would expect since it means you need to balance optimization and killer combos against those points. I've been to tournaments without it and the lists are fairly predictable, whereas tournaments that use one tend to see a greater variety in the lists. There will always be the guy for whom comp scores are something that only happen to other people, but a good comp score system will see their wins balanced by the lack of comp points. Painting scores, if used as more of a means to get painted models on the table (guaranteed points for specified levels of painting), also can change lists as people will go I can take this unit for effect or field this better/fully painted unit instead for the boost to my painting score. To go back to my tournament example, that was exactly what happened to several of the armies, the two Chaos Marine players both brought a Dreadnought solely because of their nice paint jobs (surely not for their effectiveness :p).

N1AK
05-03-2012, 13:08
Ok, so after 20 pages of arguing in the ETC thread I've gotten the impression that a lot of the people that hate comp see tournaments as purely competitive events. Instead of seeing them as an interactive event where you go to have fun WITH your opponent in friendly competition.

This is quite frankly, very dishartening to me. So I'd like to see what the community consensus is.


I go to tournaments to play Warhammer in an interactive event and have fun with my opponent. I don't go to play a wargame that someone else has created in their 'infinite wisdom' using Warhammer as the basis. The fact that pro-comp players can't understand that others have fun playing competitively is their shortcoming. I like paint scores, I like sportsmanship and I like a minimal amount of comp/restriction to make the game function in a competitive enviroment.

In my opinion the ETC rules for Warhammer make it a completely different game. Other people are welcome to play and enjoy it; I will continue to largely ignore it as irrelevant to my interest in actual Warhammer.

enyoss
05-03-2012, 15:04
EDIT: post I was responding to was deleted.

Lord Inquisitor
05-03-2012, 19:30
To go back to my tournament example, that was exactly what happened to several of the armies, the two Chaos Marine players both brought a Dreadnought solely because of their nice paint jobs (surely not for their effectiveness :p).

Yep, done that myself. I love my dread and I'll take him because he's pretty. In terms of competitive lists, I'll accept I'm 100 points down on my opponent and hope that he can go get himself killed somewhere where he won't hurt the rest of my army. :rolleyes:

vorthrax
05-03-2012, 20:32
I do not like heavily comped ("comped" defined in this instance as having banned and/or restricted items/units and altered rules) tournaments and have no desire to attend them. The tournaments I do go to have always been lightly comped (very few and minor restrictions). I go to tournaments with the objective to win AND to have fun so I hope to have fun at the tournament whether I win or lose and strive to do so. If I have fun depends entirely on the chemistry between myself and my opponent. Out of dozens of tournaments (both big and small, but mostly small) I have only ever had one TRULY bad gaming experience. Most of the rest have been fun whether I won or lost. I think my biggest lure to tournaments, other than the joy of the game, is playing against opponents that I have not had a chance to play before.

EDIT: Ooh! 100th post. Go me! :)

semper_fi
05-03-2012, 22:53
**start trollmode**
i mainly go to check babes
** end trollmode **

nah i go for the fun of it, hang out with my brothers, have some beers and a good time!

dimetri1
05-03-2012, 23:22
You should go to QCR Lord Inquisitor. Beer Wenches and a bayside view! Mike Hengl and his guys put on probably the best Fantasy Tournament, in terms of being fun, in the entire USA.

Do you have more info. Maybe a link or contact?

vorthrax
06-03-2012, 16:51
Do you have more info. Maybe a link or contact?

http://leadership2.org/content/4746-2012-qcr-information

Hinge01
07-03-2012, 23:05
Do you have more info. Maybe a link or contact?

You can also contact me at Quakecityrumble@yahoo.com

-Michael


I just went to a tourney this weekend. The hotel was crappy, venue was so-so, and I did not like the format. However, it gave me a chance to play 5 games against some fun opponents, hang out with gamers from different areas and drink beer. I had a blast and really highlighted the reason I go to a tournament.

Phazael
07-03-2012, 23:12
There is an old quote that says basically "You are defined by your opponents." and I think that is especially true of warhammer GTs. Sometimes I go to refine a list, but invariably its to be social and having great people to play is what makes an event worth attending.

Hinge01
08-03-2012, 02:18
There is an old quote that says basically "You are defined by your opponents." and I think that is especially true of warhammer GTs. Sometimes I go to refine a list, but invariably its to be social and having great people to play is what makes an event worth attending.

You and I will get a game in against each other someday!

Hinge