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TeddyC
06-06-2006, 23:00
thinking now.... mainly with the advent of new eldar...

Discounting 're releases' and mail order only... whats the longest serving model? (in core systems)

I know genestealers were the oldest plastic until they had a facelift.... but plastics as well...

I mean a few are getting old now...

Jetbikes spring to mind, besides that... my minds a blank... everything else i thing of has had a facelift no matter how minor (dwarf slayers).

SOme necromancer models are ancient now days...

Denizen of Athel Loren
06-06-2006, 23:13
Ariman pops in my mind.10+ years I belive.

-DoAL

Cpl. Calvin
06-06-2006, 23:16
Ogryns. Yarrick. Valhallans. Just my IG two bits.

Lardidar
06-06-2006, 23:31
Ragnar? I started playing about 12 years ago and I know he was out then.

mangustheix
06-06-2006, 23:34
Attlian rough riders, yarrick got an update at armargeddon, ogryns have been around much longer. Eldar rangers are only been updated now, after around 11 years. Warlocks have had new ones added, but the old ones are available with them, though the models are pretty amazing, so hardly need it.

Warhammer you have most of the knights orders for empire (white wolf, panther, etc) and the pistollers. those are at least 12 years old (were then when I started).

EvC
06-06-2006, 23:37
The Knights themselves are now replaced by the plastic boxed set, but the Pistolier are still around. Dragon Ogres are damned old (And really do not fit in with the great Shaggoth model released), but the Orc and Goblin Trolls are even older.

RevEv
06-06-2006, 23:48
Some of the Electors are very old, as are the dwarf hammerers, some of the slayers and even Bugman himself (if you ignore the super cool exclusive one from Lenton)

Probably some of the IG figures as well, and how long have the bikes (orc and SM) been around?

EvC
06-06-2006, 23:56
Ah yes, the Elector Counts, they're actually still being sold..!

Interestingly, the Pistoliers used to retail for £6, but have now dropped to £5- must've been some unannounced price drops in Britain, too. Wonder if other oldies have dropped in price too...

Hashut's Li'l Helper
07-06-2006, 00:31
pistoliers, kislev winged lancers, the ice queen, and horse archers both date back to at least 93

Plaguebeast
07-06-2006, 02:53
The Eldar Pheonix Lords and Eldrad Ulthran have been around for a number of years as well, and they are still superb models.

Plaguebeast

NakedFisherman
07-06-2006, 03:16
I believe Poison Wind Globadiers are from 1993.

The old Plague Monks and Censer Bearers were as well.

Before being replaced, the old Packmasters and Giant Rats were the oldest I could think of (1991).

Alco Engineer
07-06-2006, 03:43
The old ork buggies have been around for an age. I remember when th bikes came out and the trukks but the buggies were well before my time.

A lot of the Eldar range is very old (like the Avatar too I beleive) and in dire need of a reboot. The phoenix lords all still look great and hardly show their age at all.

As for guard, most of the metal boxed sets (like valhallans and Tallarns) are still babies compared to some of the eldar stuff (like the phoenix lords, eldrad and the jetbikes)

What about Space marine Librarians? How old are they? do you have to use special characters or use the old ones?

Plaguebeast
07-06-2006, 07:31
I believe the Librarians are from 1995 - around the time of the release of the 2nd Ed. Ultramarines Codex.

Plaguebeast

Warden
07-06-2006, 08:11
Epic Reaver Titan, Leman Russ that must be getting on a few years now.

devolutionary
07-06-2006, 08:27
Leaning towards Ragnar Blackmane, as per others. He was featured in the Space Wolf Codex for 2nd Ed, which was the first Codex released before Eldar (how things have changed eh?). That Storm Priest is also dated, the one with the Cyber Eagle.

Jedi152
07-06-2006, 08:28
Harlequins are possibly the oldest i can think of. Are they still on general release?


Leaning towards Ragnar Blackmane, as per others. He was featured in the Space Wolf Codex for 2nd Ed, which was the first Codex released before Eldar (how things have changed eh?). That Storm Priest is also dated, the one with the Cyber Eagle.
Njal Stormcaller has certainly been around since RT, i think Blackmane and Ulrick the Slayer have also. I think we have a winner!

I have WD no. 15-something (7?), which has the RT rules for Njal - and it's certainly the same miniature.

TeddyC
07-06-2006, 09:01
There are loads there that never crossed my mind

(Njal and Ragnar and the Elector counts and Trolls)
Yarrick did get a re release at armageddon, the old one had the crab pincer power claw and the orc skeleton over his gun.

I vaguely recall orc bikes release... the riders are looking very dated now days. OTher stuff mentioned is still faring well

Phoenix lords
Avatar
Pistoleers
Trolls

THey are still looking good model wise.

Harlequinns... while very old.... arent general release.

devolutionary
07-06-2006, 09:13
Discontinued models do not count. If you can not buy them at any GW store, then they are officially out of date and beyond counting. Otherwise I could include the likes of Marines with Skuriken Catapults ;)

TeddyC
07-06-2006, 09:28
or that nurgle lord on throne with a shuriken catapult?

But no... they were the realms of silly with imperial guard jetbikes.... stop it!

Only stuff you could walk into a normal GW store and buy today count.

The boyz
07-06-2006, 10:51
Most of the things that I can think of have already be said. Things like Ogryns, Poison Windglobadiers, Eldar Jetbikes and the Eldar Avatar are fairly old. Empire pistoliers have also been around for as long as I can remember. Dwarf Hammerers and Troll SLayers have been going for sometime as well. Empire Elector counts are all pretty old also, they havent changed for as long as I can remember.

sigur
07-06-2006, 11:12
But no... they were the realms of silly with imperial guard jetbikes.... stop it!


What's that supposed to mean?

This torso part (with the two "eldary antennaes" on top) of Wraithlords and War Walkers is pretty damn old too; has also been around since RT; it's even in the RT rulebook IIRC.

Jedi152
07-06-2006, 11:19
I seem to recall the wraithlords are exactly the same as RT ones (when they used to be Dreadnoughts...), bar the new weapons.

Darkseer
07-06-2006, 12:15
I seem to recall the wraithlords are exactly the same as RT ones (when they used to be Dreadnoughts...), bar the new weapons.

and remodelled arms

DarkWarrior1981
07-06-2006, 12:23
and remodelled arms
But the main parts (body, legs and head) are still the same today.:)

The main parts of the war walker are from the same period, iirc.

devolutionary
07-06-2006, 12:31
Thread Title - Oldest un molested model out there...

Which model is still the same today as it was back then? The Wraithlord had a facelift if not a complete redesign, as did the Warwalker. We don't need any more semantics or technicalities. If it is exactly the same model as it was on release, with the exception of base, then it counts. Marine Librarians still come with the OLD marine arm sprue, that's a good example of what unmolested should be intending :)

Jedi152
07-06-2006, 12:36
Then i'd still have my money on Njal, Blackmane and Ulrick.

skavenguy13
07-06-2006, 15:08
well, the plague monk with the parchment is really old. Probably the oldest skaven mini until last summer (Lustria). I saw it in the 3rd edition books.

Griefbringer
07-06-2006, 15:56
Then i'd still have my money on Njal, Blackmane and Ulrick.

Nope. They might be some of the oldest WH40K models still out there, though. But they lose to some of the WHFB models.

Ulrik and Ragnar Blackmane were first featured in WD156 (December 1992), Njal in 158. On the other hand, Empire Pistoliers, Kislev Winged Lancers and Kislev Horse Archers were first featured in WD148, Empire Grand Masters in WD 151-152, Stone Trolls in WD155 and River Trolls in WD157.

BlazeXI
07-06-2006, 17:16
Snotlings win this quiz:evilgrin:

I will check my unpainted stone trolls later tonight for dates, but surely 1993 or earlier. just like Dragon Ogres

Phyros
07-06-2006, 17:37
Space Wolf Techpriest/Ironpriest. The Chimera.

Griefbringer
07-06-2006, 18:31
Space Wolf Techpriest/Ironpriest. The Chimera.

Iron Priest did not come out until WD159 (early 1993). IG Chimera did not show up until sometime in 1994 or 1995 (and it has been "molested" by changing the accessory sprue in the box).

Aenarion
07-06-2006, 19:04
Nagash is an old one

Ki-Adi-Monkey
07-06-2006, 19:50
Its got to be the Epic Reaver Titan or the Epic Eldar Phantom Titan.

Rob

EvC
07-06-2006, 20:12
Space Wolf Techpriest/Ironpriest. The Chimera.

Pretty much everything from the Imperial Guard is relatively recent in comparison with the true oldies being mentioned in this thread. I can even remember the Chimera being released!

RobC
07-06-2006, 20:40
I think BlazeXI has a point. Have they ever resculpted the snotlings?

Ithilkir
07-06-2006, 21:25
Yup, the first snotlings were in use until at least 91, think they got resculpted mid 90's (though they were kept very similar).

Phunting
07-06-2006, 23:00
It's depressing that I subconsciously consider half the models mentioned in this thread as "quite new"...

Senbei
07-06-2006, 23:18
Yup, Def the Snotlings, and I had to read 2 and a half pages of this stuff only to find out that Blaze had beatten me to it.... Only thing anywhere near that age would be... The plastic wolves for goblin wolf-riders or the unbarded horses maybe.... But I remember them having Lead alternative mounts before these (I kinda liked the metal mounts... So much variety... You no longer get that from GW, e.g. a selection of 200 different metal gobbo's to choose from )D ). I seem to remember that they removed a snotling or two from the blisters for doing impolite and/or indecent things )_).

Brother Othorio
07-06-2006, 23:23
the current plastic skeleton sprues have some new skulls and limbs, and a variant body, but the basic legs*, torsos*, skull & 1-handed weapon arms have been around since the days of RT (no idea what the WFB version of the time was) infact i've seen the sprues on an advert dated 1987

as for totally unchanged model i think it pretty much has to be the titans Ki-Adi-Monkey mentioned

* = they used to be one peice, then for some MORONIC reason they decided to split them ~ moronic because its damned fiddly to get the torso and legs together and its always evident where the join is.. splitting them doesnt really aid the conversionist much (a single snip with a knife and a quick bit of pinning and bobs your uncle) but it greatly increases the time everyone else has to spent putting the damned things together

Senbei
07-06-2006, 23:30
Naw, different skeletons too... Skulls, arms and torso's are different... as well as larger. Plus the Old ones were, weirdly, more detailed and *SHOCK* actualy in scale with most other WFB mini's whilst the newer ones are wayyyy too large for some reason.

Trust me when I say that they also changed the axes, spears, swords and maces on the sprues too. Plus the old ones could be upgraded to armoured skele's with the bits from the skeleton horse sprue.

EvC
07-06-2006, 23:33
I don't think you're strictly correct on the skeletons there, Brother. The current skeletons are all slightly bigger than the older ones, every piece, as far as I'm aware- I use both in my army, and it's quite apparent. I even posed one or two in the same manner as the way a couple of the older ones are posed, and they look similar, but not the same. The weapons really are very different- the old weapons were tony in comparison with the new ones. There's a similar couple of swords, but the newer ones are much larger.

Mind you, they've all been sitting in a box under my bed for 6 months, so I could be wrong. But if any of the old pieces are being re-used, they're very small in number.

Senbei
08-06-2006, 00:14
I know I'm right, I also have both, lol. A) some of the torso's are a different shape. One has one shoulder raised slightly higher than the other and theres also the one that has a tiny piece of armour strapped to it - In the older packs the only armour was a Breastplate and helmet (nothing like the helmeted head on the newer sprue) from the Horsey sprue (well... you got a shoulder/leg guard somewhere too). The actual Torso's all came naked.

b) all the weapons are different. The axes were completely different, as were the spears, swords -Bows- and -Scythes-. Not 100% sure if there were maces/flails on the sprues....

c) yup, the size and the fact that the newer ones are hacked in half at the waist....... I actualy agree with you on the fact that this was a bad Idea.....

d) I can be evil on this because I still have a clam-shell blister of bits from the earlier sprues in my paint box as well as a unit or two of the later Skeles in my Undead army...... There was one of the 'Undead Horde' box sets up for sale on the Virtual Alchemist before it went titsup.... Wish I'd bought them but I felt that the last thing the poor guy needed at the time was an Irate me chasing him for some Skeletons )_).

Note - dont say anything about the old multipart space Orks, I actualy have the 36 Ork box set... still on it's sprues.... One day I'll find a 3rd/4th ed WFB and a 1st Ed 40k playing games club! (not that it has anything to do with this, but I like to brag ;D )

Piku
08-06-2006, 01:39
AArgh! I remember when most of these were new! I was going to mention the snotlings but I was beaten to it.
Instead I shall be a beardy cheat and say...

Dice.

Heh, beard.

BlazeXI
08-06-2006, 07:42
First of all, we have to set rules to the question.

It is my understanding that only complete minis count, and ones that are available in general sale/ online store (without the archive sections) and that have not been modified.

Therefore, nagash is out, old mouts (wolfs, horses ect,) are out, slotta bases and wheels are out.
Without these conditions wh40k round bases, or 40x40mm, or the wooden wheel of goblin wolf chariot and numerous other things would win.

Therefore strong contenders are:
Dragon Ogres
Stone/river Trolls (as I recall 1991)
Dwarf Special Characters (still available as Dwarf Lords)

If Snotlings did get a resculpt they are out. However i do not recall it. I susprct they have been re released. Look at a pic at online store. the look 1980's. Still good, though:evilgrin: .

bloed_tarnen
08-06-2006, 08:00
What about the SM librarian in terminator armour?, when did that come out?

Jedi152
08-06-2006, 08:27
Nope. They might be some of the oldest WH40K models still out there, though. But they lose to some of the WHFB models.

Ulrik and Ragnar Blackmane were first featured in WD156 (December 1992), Njal in 158. On the other hand, Empire Pistoliers, Kislev Winged Lancers and Kislev Horse Archers were first featured in WD148, Empire Grand Masters in WD 151-152, Stone Trolls in WD155 and River Trolls in WD157.
Curses.

This thread is funny though - it's good to see people (newer to the hobby?) yelling the names of stuff that came out relatively recently. :p I'd been in the hobby about 5 years when some things mentioned here came out. Oh i feel old.

Binky
08-06-2006, 08:35
It's been mentioned a couple of times already and I think I'd have to agree that the oldest complete model still generally available is the Reaver Titan, it was the first metal epic scale model GW produced and came out around WD 107\108, I'm guessing it must be 17 or 18 years old (must have been released around December '88 or '89) and was the first model I ever bought in an actual GW shop (GW Bristol the day it opened, which was oddly a week before its official grand opening)

monkey child
08-06-2006, 10:02
the imperial assasins eversor, vindicare and calidus are get on a bit now, not sure exeactly when they came out but i was young enough to ask for them for christmas without getting laughed at for wanting "toys"

TeddyC
08-06-2006, 10:36
Blaze has got this rules thing down!

Complete models... I should be able to go into GW and buy the model NOW, and Id get the exact same model as i would when i was released. Not mail order bitz. (no 'but now they use white metal' loopholes please!)

Reaver titan? With it being epic im not sure if we can accept it... My store doesnt stock epic (it stocks it, along with other specialist games on a rota basis)

SM librarian in termie armour is really new!

Snotlings.... I seem to remember the pump wagon got a re sculpt... not sure about the base full though....


Stone trolls are winning so far if memory serves me right.... at 91.
Unless we count the Reaver titan... which is a model i am unfamiliar with.

New skeletons are way bigger than older ones. my mate had hordes of old skeles. Definately none of their parts used in the new box.

Bases are 91/93 i think.... they may even be 95..... so even they are younger than some models standing upon them! I imagine the moulds wear out eventually! But anyway.... they dont count!

Jedi152
08-06-2006, 10:45
the imperial assasins eversor, vindicare and calidus are get on a bit now, not sure exeactly when they came out but i was young enough to ask for them for christmas without getting laughed at for wanting "toys"
Relatively recent in the scheme of things - about '94-'95 or something i think.

Sureshot05
08-06-2006, 10:56
Well, it depends on category - 40k - Njal and Ragnar

but older, Warhammer - Pistoliers

but the oldest by far

Epic - Reaver Titan

and by far one of the best models they ever produced.

They're are the only titan I have bought more than two of and have painted entirely up.

Ithilkir
08-06-2006, 11:07
Assasins were easily mid to late 90's.

Reaver Titan. Question is core games, not specialist (BB can hit 87/88 through Mail Order that way)

Stone and River Trolls. late 92 they feature in the GW catalogue so possibly very late 91 but I'd go for early 92.

Bases... Considering I have a nice unopened blister of BB 1st edition from 87 with round slottas... way before 91/93 ;)

Snotlings. I'm not convinced I'm right about the resculpt, maybe some new ones were added, some old ones removed... Compare. The two easiest to distinguish ones (watering can and net) seem different from the ones on the original list.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060209142&orignav=13
http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20183snotlings-h.htm

Sir_Turalyon
08-06-2006, 11:24
Must check a RT-era catalogue, but Eldar rangers and some warlocks are there, so they were relased in RT era (ranger models were originaly guardians with lasguns). I must check if Niall and Rangar are in that catalogue already.

I'm pretty sure, however, that no WFB models from that catalogue (3rd edition) are still around.

Senbei
08-06-2006, 13:12
Reaver Titans... Maybe, but they were released for Adeptus Titanicus... sooo... If theyre the same metal ones I remember then they might come in a close second place. Theyre also not avaliable in stores, only through mail-order.

Current assasins - dead new in my opinion, lol. Mid 1990's, 2nd Ed mini's.

River + Stone Trolls - mid 4th Ed Warhammer releases so those are quite new too.... 1994 If I may hazzard a guess.......

Bases - Current minis are sold with mases stamped 1992 at the earliest for 40k... I think WFB bases are stamped with a much later date because they removed the old bases where you could carve out a slot accross the base if the one already there wasn't to your tastes. They now do diagonal and straight bases depending on the mini. Rangers arent that Early... 1992... maybe even later. They were released at the same time that GW released rules for them and SM Scouts in WD.... and that was after the SWolves came out (a couple of months prior to 2nd Ed being released). Current snotlings might be a choice of the better ones out of the WFB snotlng range, 40k Snotling range and BB Snotling range..... Think The WFB ones were jus random whilst the 40k ones had mushrooms..... BB had helmest and stuff so I'm probably wrong there.

Also... WFB Snots were around when WFB 3rd Ed was released.... and that was released in 1987....... So Snots are 19 or more years old.......

skavenguy13
08-06-2006, 13:49
Winter 1989 catalogue
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89winter/cat89wint011x-03.htm
look at the bottom for the 2 plague monks: 1 with scroll and dagger, 1 with dagger and club.
I was right until last summer :(

Binky
08-06-2006, 15:31
Winter 1989 catalogue
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89winter/cat89wint011x-03.htm
look at the bottom for the 2 plague monks: 1 with scroll and dagger, 1 with dagger and club.
I was right until last summer :(

Those models haven't been available in stores for years though have they? I thought they disappeared from general sale when the "new" marauder Plague Monks were released with the 4th edition Skaven army book? Which was in 1993 I think.

They're pretty old models though I'll agree, pretty sure they'd been around quite some time even when the catalogue was released, they're certainly pre WD100! The hooded one's always been one of my favourite Skaven models, still got a unit of about 20 of them hanging around somewhere, along with a few of the original rat ogres (the furry ones that just look like oversize Skaven)

Griefbringer
08-06-2006, 15:40
About Trolls, let me repeat the point that I made a couple of pages ago:

Stone Trolls made their first public appearance in WD155 (November 1992), River Trolls in WD157 (January 1992).

And no, they are not the oldest stuff out in the stores: WD148 featured various items that are still in the stores (Empire Pistoliers, Kislevites).

skavenguy13
08-06-2006, 15:51
Those models haven't been available in stores for years though have they? I thought they disappeared from general sale when the "new" marauder Plague Monks were released with the 4th edition Skaven army book? Which was in 1993 I think.


They were available until last summer. They still are now, but by mail order, using the costy (even by GW standards) clasic range:(

Warden
08-06-2006, 15:54
Reaver Titans... Maybe, but they were released for Adeptus Titanicus... sooo... If theyre the same metal ones I remember then they might come in a close second place. Theyre also not avaliable in stores, only through mail-order.


Reavers are Availbile in stores with space to stock Epic Stuff, like GW Dundee, Edinburgh etc.

Sir_Turalyon
08-06-2006, 20:57
The 1986-1991 Citadel Catalogue

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/index.htm

does not have any Space Wolf Characters yet (except Leman Russ, now OOP :) ). No Rangar, no Stormcaller. It has older OOP Avatar, and old OOP Trolls.

It does, however include these four

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947010402404&orignav=10

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947010402401&orignav=10

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947010402402&orignav=10

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947010402405&orignav=10

Warlocks and (about to be replaced when I write it) Rangers.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2093eldaravatrwarlks-h.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2092eldarguardians-h.htm


So Rangers and Warlocks are older then models mentioned on top of my post. With Rangers gone, Warlocks will be the oldest core system miniatures in sale.

TeddyC
08-06-2006, 22:14
And of course reaver titans!

So are we agreed on Warlocks being the oldest unmolested core system (tied with reaver titans if your store stocks epic :P)...

There not really a reason to this thread rather than my own curiosity... however... it says something that these are the only 2 sets of 'ageless' models. They look just as much at home and to scale as they did on day one...

HiredSword.
08-06-2006, 22:18
it's funny to think that these older eldar are what the most recent are based off, it really goes to show the agelessness of them, they are some of my favourite figures anyway.

TeddyC
08-06-2006, 23:09
I defianatley prefer them over the seer council ones whos poses just seemed a bit awkward.... anyone know the sculptors?


Eldrad was 93 btw!

Binky
09-06-2006, 08:36
They were available until last summer. They still are now, but by mail order, using the costy (even by GW standards) clasic range:(

Yep, definitely still around by mail order but I thought last summer the only Plague Monk models available in store were the Marauder Minatures ones, which were four assorted hooded models with knives and staffs but all "new" sculpts not the one you linked to, available in blisters of three, plus the matching command squad. Obviously these have now been replaced with the new plastics.

Can't find a link to the models I'm talking about unfortunately but I've never seen any of the older Plague Monks included with them and if they're not packaged with them I'm not sure how else they'd be sold.

Eversor
09-06-2006, 10:08
There are some newer snotlings (GorkaMorka and pump wagon) but the others are definitely still the old Kev Adams sculpts. Might not be older than the Warlocks though. Both were out when I started playing in -91.

Festus
10-06-2006, 08:48
Hi
I defianatley prefer them over the seer council ones whos poses just seemed a bit awkward.... anyone know the sculptors?

The old Eldar were all made by Jes Goodwin.

Greetings
Festus

Senbei
10-06-2006, 17:00
So are we agreed on Warlocks being the oldest unmolested core system (tied with reaver titans if your store stocks epic :P)...



Oldest 40k mini maybe, but I still think the snotlings predate 40k (the game isn't as old as many of you people think ;) )

gortexgunnerson
10-06-2006, 20:18
Hasnt the reaver been redone! I thought they changed the shoulder pads slightly when Space marine changed over to titan legions! I think the change was very small but Im sure it was altered in some pointless way!

Also plastic wolfs are availble as a whole model as Dire wolves if that was the problem with their inclusion before (although it could be argued that dire wolves have an addition lead head included which is pretty recent)

BlazeXI
10-06-2006, 23:52
Hasnt the reaver been redone! I thought they changed the shoulder pads slightly when Space marine changed over to titan legions! I think the change was very small but Im sure it was altered in some pointless way!

Also plastic wolfs are availble as a whole model as Dire wolves if that was the problem with their inclusion before (although it could be argued that dire wolves have an addition lead head included which is pretty recent)


Plastic wolfs are a 1992 (http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=Individual&code=99380299005&orignav=9) release. The Reaver is an EPIC mini, that means not core and not available in GW shops freely.
So the oldest are either Snotlings or Warlocks. Ideas of release dates on these anyone?

Griefbringer
11-06-2006, 07:35
So the oldest are either Snotlings or Warlocks. Ideas of release dates on these anyone?

As for Warlocks, two of them were first listed on WD127 (July 1990), together with the first Aspect Warriors.

TeddyC
11-06-2006, 08:13
I thought snotlings had a rescult though but still looked similar?

Im quite aware that 40k isnt as old as Warhammer..... doesnt mean they cant have the oldest models though ;)

asmodai_dark86
11-06-2006, 16:42
Oldest unmolest model for each race as good as I can remember it (I did a longer talky version, explaining the ins and outs along with memories but it deleted so you get this instead)

40K

SM - Librarian, around 1995

SM chapter specific - Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal

IG - Attilan rough riders. Do Ogryns count as they've been rebased?

Other imperial - SoB rank and file, but the ladies are younger then the librarians

Tyranids - nearly everything got redone twice in my life time. Current oldest is probably the biovore as the genestealer got interfered with.

Orks - Pfft again mostly redone. Probably... Plastic ork Bike (1996?)

Necrons +Tau - excused

Chaos marines - Terminators

Eldar - Warlocks, warp spiders, wraith guard


Fantasy

Empire - Elector counts

Dwarves - Hammerers

Bretonnian - the green knight (1997?)

High Elves - white lions

Dark Elves - Sorceress on foot

Wood Elves + ogres - excused

Chaos mortals - non, all redone

chaos beasts - Dragon ogres

Chaos daemons - daemon princes

Lizardmen - Non, all redone. And released in my life time.

Undead - the mounted wights, but there still young (1998 iirc)


I think the warlocks are younger then the attilans or ogryns to be honest. Actually looking at that list, its kind of sickening to releaise how much of every army has been revamped and why. The elector counts were never bought in enough numbers to really need a new model each, whilst dragon ogres are probably aimed to be ditched with the next rule book or re worked completely to fit with the shaggoth (which was there original intention iirc from the hordes book).

Lizardmen and tyranids are the worst offenders, due to being released completely, twice, and revamped both times entirely. Admittedly the 'Nids its helped alot but the lizardmen temple guard are a sad lose to me.

Undead are one of the odd ones because I thought it might be Manfred but he got overhauled. Actually the necromancers might be a year or so younger.

Hope that helps anyone coming into the thread - it just goes to show people how much GW have expanded in the past decade. Do you know there were times when having 50% of the models for your army released was considered having a complete army?
'Whats that, you need bikes? cant you just like.. have a metal one riding another metal one?... Land Raider! Dont be stupid go home small child'

Sarevok
11-06-2006, 18:20
Here's some snotlings from white dwarf 91

http://www.solegends.com/citc/c14snotlings.htm

the same ones as today.

White Dwarf 91 was in 1987 I beleive, meaning the little buggers are almost 20 years old.:eek:

asmodai_dark86
11-06-2006, 20:28
Ahh but you see when they made the pump wagon (the one that was basically a boxm which was still cool then the new one) I believe that models from that were mixed in with the existing and wice versa - so doesnt count on a technicallity

Festus
11-06-2006, 21:34
Hi

IG - Attilan rough riders. Do Ogryns count as they've been rebased?
The catachan special weapon guys are older, along with the catachan captain IIRC
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060105061&orignav=10

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060105017&orignav=10



Undead - the mounted wights, but there still young (1998 iirc)

The Bats are older...again IIRC
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060207126&orignav=13

Greetings
Festus

Eversor
11-06-2006, 21:36
Great post there Asmodai! Although...

I think the warlocks are younger then the attilans or ogryns to be honest.
That's not true. Attilans and ogryns are both from the 2:nd edition IG codex. The Warlocks have been around since Rogue Trader days. I agree with your other sentiments though. There are so many classic models that are much better than what's on general release today. I want to build an Eldar army with nothing but classics...

And if there are pump wagon Snotlings mixed in with the regular ones, they should be disqualified.

EvC
11-06-2006, 21:45
Undead are one of the odd ones because I thought it might be Manfred but he got overhauled. Actually the necromancers might be a year or so younger.

Did he? I didn't know that, I thought it was just the same.

One of the Nercromancers (baldie) is very old, from the time 4th edition undead was released; the one holding the skull is from the release
of a Warhammer Quest suppliment, but the two others are newer.

Sarevok
11-06-2006, 22:24
Ahh but you see when they made the pump wagon (the one that was basically a boxm which was still cool then the new one) I believe that models from that were mixed in with the existing and wice versa - so doesnt count on a technicallity

I don't think so. The Pump Wagon crew were 3 guys on a metal strip, and anyway most were specifically designed for the Wagon.

As someone who owns the old wagon and lots of snotling packs, I've never seen a wagon snotling mixed in.

Anyway the Wagon is 1987 too.

mangustheix
11-06-2006, 22:38
Ah, the old pump wagon, that takes me back. My friends and I tried to see who could make the one with the most levels. Now that was a model that fell over a lot!.

asmodai_dark86
12-06-2006, 02:41
Wow okay where to start:

On Catachans -
I know there were the first of the metal guard regiment sets, but I thought attilans and ogryns might have been earlier because there more specialist. Ogryns possibly not but attilans? Hmmm see I can remember the Catachans being released before I started getting GW so cant pin it down, but Im sure the others where around before then. Hmmm a mystery

On bats -
Weren't the bats from warhammer quest, along with the other swarm creatures, all put in a single box set at some point? If so then the metal models now are younger then, or of the same age as, the wight lord because some of that stuff was released around the undead suppliment thing.

On snotlings -
Check Mr snotling with pointy hat and pointed finger. He was new I'm pretty sure. And the pump wagon that I'm thinking of was released after 1993-ish. Maybe you're right though but I'd say double check by buying additional snotlings :D
It can't be 1987 because I was born in 1986 and remember seeing it released! So either way its a re-release, and if there doing the wagon someone would have resculpted at least one snotling... surely.. or if not then, then definately with the new new pump wagon.. or if not the new new new pump wagon??

On Manfred -
Thats exactly what I though some years ago but im old so ill check now..
No its the same model, but I think the horses head is new - it looks like the newer stuff. I dunno I've got a feeling hes not that old (1992?) but still hes looking good for his age. Sadly Isabella and her Beau aren't...

If theres another person who comes along and confirms denies any of the above, then I'll change mine accordingly (gives the thread a running guide as it were, and stops me changing one only to change it back a day or two later)

As a side note, hows olds the leman Russ kit? It is, barring its interferance, easily the oldest plastic kit with the possible exception of the vindicator if it still uses the old rhino chassis with the Vyper and Chimera in the same year iirc.

Jedi152
12-06-2006, 08:28
Undead are one of the odd ones because I thought it might be Manfred but he got overhauled. Actually the necromancers might be a year or so younger.

On Manfred -
Thats exactly what I though some years ago but im old so ill check now..
No its the same model, but I think the horses head is new - it looks like the newer stuff. I dunno I've got a feeling hes not that old (1992?) but still hes looking good for his age.

Mannfred has never been updated - he is the same model that was released about 98-99, about 5 years after the current necromancers.

Eversor
12-06-2006, 10:49
I know there were the first of the metal guard regiment sets, but I thought attilans and ogryns might have been earlier because there more specialist.
Not more than a few months or so. The current Ogryns were not released until a fair bit into 2:nd edition. (The RT ogryns looked like this (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2050impguardogryns-h.htm) and this (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2051impguardogryns-h.htm).)


Check Mr snotling with pointy hat and pointed finger. He was new I'm pretty sure. And the pump wagon that I'm thinking of was released after 1993-ish.
There was a new pump wagon released with Nelson-style snotlings a few years back (2001 maybe?). None of those are included in the snotling blisters of today. He (and others) might have been released with the pirst pump wagon (need a release date on that, I have no idea) and later repacked in blisters with the original snots.

Nevertheless, the original snotlings have been added to with models from newer releases, so are certainly disqualified.


As a side note, hows olds the leman Russ kit? It is, barring its interferance, easily the oldest plastic kit with the possible exception of the vindicator if it still uses the old rhino chassis with the Vyper and Chimera in the same year iirc.
Those are still babies compared to snotlings and warlocks ;) Could have been released around -94 or -95. I'm scetchy on the dates, but I remember when the Russ came out with the unbeliavably cool 'dozer blade. I think you're correct about it being the oldest plastic kit still on general release though. I think the Vindicator is only available as a direct sales model.

Str10_hurts
12-06-2006, 13:31
So how about the IG priest he is still found in GW stores....how old would that guy be? (the one with the book and club)

Edit: Ah ive looked it up....there are 3 acctualy and they are called preachers.

Str10_hurts
12-06-2006, 13:45
Not more than a few months or so. The current Ogryns were not released until a fair bit into 2:nd edition. (The RT ogryns looked like this (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2050impguardogryns-h.htm) and this (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2051impguardogryns-h.htm).)


I acctualy like those better than there updates.

Eversor
12-06-2006, 13:51
So how about the IG priest he is still found in GW stores....how old would that guy be? (the one with the book and club)
The preachers were released with the Sisters of Battle codex, so around -97 or so.

Str10_hurts
12-06-2006, 13:59
Odd i tought they were older than that.
Oh well so ive been around from 1996...so my knowledge does not stretches that far.

Sarevok
12-06-2006, 14:42
According to solegends, the pump wagon was 1987

http://www.solegends.com/citc/c22snotlingpumpwagon.htm


Nevertheless, the original snotlings have been added to with models from newer releases, so are certainly disqualified.

Any proof?

Finnblood
12-06-2006, 14:43
How 'bout Ruglud's armoured orcs and other RoR? Some of them are quite old.

Griefbringer
12-06-2006, 15:29
IG - Attilan rough riders. Do Ogryns count as they've been rebased?
Eldar - Warlocks, warp spiders, wraith guard
Empire - Elector counts
Bretonnian - the green knight (1997?)



A good lot of stuff wrong here.

For IG, the Catachan squad set (including melta-gunner) came out approximately 5 months before the Attilans, and the 2nd edition Ogryns came out much later. So the Catachan melta-gunner should be the oldest IG guy out there.

For Eldar, the oldest available Warlocks predate the Warp Spiders and Wraithguard by 3-4 years.

For Empire, it is the Pistoliers that are the oldest ones out there - predating the Elector Counts by half a year or so.

For Bretonnia: I am not sure which one came first, but the mounted yeomen (back then called squires) came out about the same time as Green Knight. Anyone having the appropriate WDs (about 203-210) to check it out?

Griefbringer
12-06-2006, 15:32
How 'bout Ruglud's armoured orcs and other RoR? Some of them are quite old.

Well, the original RoR sets date back to mid 80's (see Stuff of Legends for details), but those haven't been available for a long time.

The current range of RoRs (and I am not even sure if they are still available on GW stores) dates from 1998 onwards, with the Ruglud's armoured orcs released around 2002 or 2003.

TeddyC
12-06-2006, 16:17
christ current RoRs are babys! Same with the Green Knight... not a patch on Pistoleers and elector counts.

Finnblood
12-06-2006, 17:06
Well, the original RoR sets date back to mid 80's (see Stuff of Legends for details), but those haven't been available for a long time.

The current range of RoRs (and I am not even sure if they are still available on GW stores) dates from 1998 onwards, with the Ruglud's armoured orcs released around 2002 or 2003.
They made a new set? Aw, I liked the old ones...

Senbei
12-06-2006, 17:35
New ones are nice... still don't look terribly armoured though... A goblin organ-gun would make a fun RoR *hint* *hint* now, go make one GW! *cracks a whip*

asmodai_dark86
18-06-2006, 11:06
Ahhhhh I was going off my memory, which is good enough to laugh at some postings yet still be shamed when I make postings of my own, although it wasn't too bad really.

The pump wagon I'm not sure about. Thats the one I saw get released and yet I remember more snots on it... like a good dozen. Even so the snots got a new pump wagon so they cant count, but the snots.. Dont count them out yet I'd say.

Yeh the Russ is the oldest plastic kit available in the shops, followed probably by the jetbike (forgot about that one) and then either the Vyper (WD 207) or the chimera because I cant remember what issue it was released with but there wasnt much celebration over it really. Just 'There you go guard players theres a new tank, you're getting more now shut up and buy it'. Actually it probably does predate the vyper..

Griefbringer
18-06-2006, 14:05
Yeh the Russ is the oldest plastic kit available in the shops, followed probably by the jetbike (forgot about that one) and then either the Vyper (WD 207) or the chimera because I cant remember what issue it was released with but there wasnt much celebration over it really.

Chimera surely predates the Vyper by a good lot of time - it was released before the 40K 2nd ed IG codex, so sometime in 1995 I would think.

Notice that both Russ and Chimera got new accessory sprue a couple of years back.

norwegianpuma
20-06-2006, 12:21
Notice that both Russ and Chimera got new accessory sprue a couple of years back.

Therefore disqualified.

Eversor
20-06-2006, 12:56
Notice that both Russ and Chimera got new accessory sprue a couple of years back.
:skull: This got me thinking: Did the Vyper ever get updated with a new weapon sprue?

Hellfury
20-06-2006, 13:36
Plastic MKI rhino?

Its not discontinued yet. I thought that was the oldest plastic kit after the genestealers.

Sureshot05
20-06-2006, 13:55
Okay, here is the oldest model still available online

It was released in 1982 and has not been relegated to collectors classic yet!

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP1199009&orignav=300810

Thats right its....

tomb 4

The oldest model that is not considered a classic is a tomb :D
If you would like to check:
http://www.solegends.com/citf/citfs/citfs82cat.htm

BlazeXI
21-06-2006, 09:44
Okay, here is the oldest model still available online

It was released in 1982 and has not been relegated to collectors classic yet!

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP1199009&orignav=300810

Thats right its....

tomb 4

The oldest model that is not considered a classic is a tomb :D
If you would like to check:
http://www.solegends.com/citf/citfs/citfs82cat.htm


Well if it comes to general availability they are not available in GW stores or at Independent retailers (they are not on the GW retialer order form).

But a good old collector item on online store found by you! Much newer (16 years younger) Rebel Grot vehicles are unavailable through the store.

Griefbringer
23-06-2006, 08:28
Plastic MKI rhino?

Its not discontinued yet. I thought that was the oldest plastic kit after the genestealers.

What do you mean? I am quite sure it has been out of production for a couple of years already.

That said, it might have been even a bit older than the original genestealer set - though I have not sources to check that out.

Delicious Soy
23-06-2006, 08:50
:skull: This got me thinking: Did the Vyper ever get updated with a new weapon sprue?
Unless they've started throwing them in since the Wave Serpent was released, no. Previous to that you had to use metal heavy weapons. This is very fun when they are on a moving cradle on the extreme back of a model on a flight stand. Balance hilarity ensues.:p

squiggoth
23-06-2006, 08:51
Many of the currently available Snotlings date back to, erm, 1985 I believe.
That's over two decades, and the models still look fine. :)

*edit*
Darn, Blaze beat me .... But yup, they haven't been resculpted altough IIRC in the late 80's or early 90's some extra models have been added to the available range (I think there's over 80 different ancient Snots, and that's just basic Snotling Swarm Snotlings without counting Kev Adams' 2nd edition 40K Snotling assistants, Brian Nelson's GorkaMorka Rebel Snotz from '97 and the BloodBowl Snotz from the early 90's)

Binky
23-06-2006, 14:53
What do you mean? I am quite sure it has been out of production for a couple of years already.

That said, it might have been even a bit older than the original genestealer set - though I have not sources to check that out.

Yep, the Rhino pre-dated plastic genestealers which didn't appear till the release of Space Hulk, but there were plenty of plastics before it, the original beaky Space Marines, skeleton horde, warhammer regiments (10 each of Skaven, Goblins, Elves, Dark Elves, Dwarves and Orcs (I think)), the Psychostyrene and Drastic-Plastic blisters (orcs and dwarves) and the Daleks and Cybermen plastic boxed set!

IJW
25-06-2006, 19:05
Definitely the snotlings from what's been listed so far. 1985 for many of the models, so a couple of years older than 40k.

Showing my age here, but it's quite amusing to hear even warlocks being described as 'classic' Eldar - I remember my entire 70+ Eldar army being relegated to 'guardian' status when the craftworld/aspect figures first came out. Aah, the heady days of Eldar pirates on powerboards...

I've still got bits of a drastic plastic orc somewhere.

Ian

oraenor
07-12-2006, 09:12
I dont know if this is part of it but what about the bretonnian men at arms before the release of the 6th ed ones. I swear I've seen them in 3rd edition

The Dark One
07-12-2006, 10:41
I dont know if this is part of it but what about the bretonnian men at arms before the release of the 6th ed ones. I swear I've seen them in 3rd edition

the metal ones came out in 5th edition and brets before them are long gone

generulpoleaxe
07-12-2006, 13:47
snotlings are the oldest minis in gw stores nowadays.
it was marauder who first produced the majority of the ones still available.

Senbei
07-12-2006, 14:49
On another note... The plastic mk1 Rhino kit can still be bought from GW stores.... As long as you don't mind chucking the metal thunderer cannon that comes with it into your bits box...

cybertrophic
18-12-2006, 03:45
Then i'd still have my money on Njal, Blackmane and Ulrick.

They must be in the running - I bought them when the 3rd (?)edition of 40k was released (orks and two-piece marines in the boxed set) back in '97 and they weren't new then. On an unrelated note, I just found an unmolested Chaos Noise Marine in my bits box....ahhh, bless.

How about some of the plastic dragons - I think they were pretty generic across the board and I bought Asarnil the Dragonlord in 1997...Then again, isn't Teclis knocking on a bit,too?

Jon_Irenicus
03-01-2007, 12:49
I´m amazed nobody mentioned the humble Slottabases. Haven´t they been around from before Rogue Trader?
The rectangular ones, not the round ones.

BlazeXI
03-01-2007, 23:41
I´m amazed nobody mentioned the humble Slottabases. Haven´t they been around from before Rogue Trader?
The rectangular ones, not the round ones.

Hardly a model, but:
Turn them around and you'll see the year of initial release. Nowadys you won't get them older than 1991 I recon. Snotlings are 1980's. Looks like I am still fending of competition for the Oldest mini finder:evilgrin:.

snurl
16-01-2007, 10:38
Hey i just noticed, the oldest mini has got to be the clear plastic flying stand.
I got one in the pack with my Citadel AD&D Beholder around 1985, and they still look the same today. That also explains why flying stands have 6 sides.

Jon_Irenicus
16-01-2007, 19:06
Hardly a model, but:
Turn them around and you'll see the year of initial release. Nowadys you won't get them older than 1991 I recon. Snotlings are 1980's. Looks like I am still fending of competition for the Oldest mini finder:evilgrin:.

If I may point out, that´s a flawed argument right there; the fact that some were produced in '91 doesn´t mean that the slottabase isn´t the oldest; just like some classic models are cast 15 years after being sculpted ;)

Slottabase - "We izn´t models? You ungrateful little... Slottabase Strike! We iz fightin´ fer equal rights ´cos we iz mini too!"

BlazeXI
17-01-2007, 16:27
Hardly a model, but:
Turn them around and you'll see the year of initial release. Nowadys you won't get them older than 1991 I recon. Snotlings are 1980's. Looks like I am still fending of competition for the Oldest mini finder:evilgrin:.


If I may point out, that´s a flawed argument right there; the fact that some were produced in '91 doesn´t mean that the slottabase isn´t the oldest; just like some classic models are cast 15 years after being sculpted ;)

Slottabase - "We izn´t models? You ungrateful little... Slottabase Strike! We iz fightin´ fer equal rights ´cos we iz mini too!"

I believe your logic is flawed (to quote 7 of 9). Different mould = different model. It is like saying the Dwarfs are the oldest, as there was that really old preslotta Dwarf.

Oh, and the hexagonal flying bases are not supplied anymore, or are they?

Jon_Irenicus
17-01-2007, 19:04
No, I don´t think they are: I believe they´ve been fully replaced by the round ones. I haven´t seen a hexagonal base in years...

And there are a couple of pre-slotta chaos warriors too, that I recall. The mould issue doesn´t apply, some of the oldest miniatures around probably aren´t cast from the original mould because it has deteriorated...

Of course, I brought up the Slotta as a kind of a joke and nothing more, so feel free to "mess around with it".

Vaktathi
17-01-2007, 20:47
IIRC the Blood Angels Death Company chaplain has remained unchanged since at least 1992/3 but its not the *oldest* unchanged model, but one that I just particularly notice.

Drasriath
08-02-2007, 18:43
Jetbikes aren't /too/ old, when I started playing they looked pretty different. Didn't have the cool little wings on the back of the fuselage. I think wraithguard are probably older. The only older version of them I remember is the old RT one with the wraithgun coming out of it's head. Eldrad's getting pretty venerable, too.

IJW
08-02-2007, 22:39
the old RT one with the wraithgun coming out of it's head.
They had either a shuriken catapult or a flamer in the head mount.

Eversor
09-02-2007, 13:39
Bah, Eldrad isn't venerable by a long shot ;) He wasn't released until second edition.

Sai-Lauren
09-02-2007, 14:48
Jetbikes aren't /too/ old, when I started playing they looked pretty different. Didn't have the cool little wings on the back of the fuselage. I think wraithguard are probably older. The only older version of them I remember is the old RT one with the wraithgun coming out of it's head. Eldrad's getting pretty venerable, too.

Yep, eldar jetbikes were 6 metal piece models (early RT era - at least 18 years ago), and were basically as they are now, but didn't have the rear fins (and look much nicer IMO). Wraithguard were fairly early second edition, the ones previous to them were Ghost Warriors (same concept), from early RT, slightly after the Jetbikes.

For my choice, I would go with the Epic scale Reaver and Warhound Titans - they're probably contemporary with Blaze's snotlings (although I thought the snotlings got redone around WFB 4th edition).

Fantastica
12-09-2008, 23:05
I was having a chat with a buddy of mine who've both been playing for close to a decade, and we came across in interesting question:

what's the oldest currently serving model in the 40K range?

I know that Chaos Termies were in the running until they got a re-vamp with the last codex, another contender is some of the Eldar Warlocks, I know those Models are ancient, and on top of that I know that IG Russ, and Chimera seem to be as old as time itself.

so I pose the question to the folks that have been in this longer than we have, do you know what one's the longest currently serving?

PondaNagura
12-09-2008, 23:09
well most of the stuff was redone around 1993-1994. i'd agree with it being one of the eldar models, maybe one of the space marine characters like the wolves?

Inq. Veltane
12-09-2008, 23:15
The contenders out of the Eldar camp have to be either the Warlocks or Warp Spiders, they come from the same era I think. If you're counting special characters then I guess you have to include the Phoenix Lords too. I don't know exactly which order they all came in. Some of the metal Guard regiments (Tallarns etc.) have a similarly ancient pedigree if you will let them count.

Fantastica
12-09-2008, 23:23
ohh.. i just had another thought, just how old is the Ork Trukk? did it already exist when gorkamorka came out or was it a release with the game (possibly the most fun game GW's ever put out)?

PondaNagura
12-09-2008, 23:29
not that old i think it came about around the 3rd edition release in the late 90's, plus they just redid it a few months ago for the latest ork dex.

Lord_Squinty
12-09-2008, 23:31
Didnt we just have this thread?

Oh look...
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160601&highlight=trader

Search is you're friend :)

Inq. Veltane
12-09-2008, 23:31
The Ork Trukk was released for Gorkamorka originally I think.

the1stpip
13-09-2008, 05:24
Space Wolves was the first 2nd ed codex, so the special characters (Ragnar, Njarl and the Wolf Priest) are contenders.

Don't think there are any 1st ed models still to be replaced.

Temprus
13-09-2008, 06:13
When you ask about the oldest model, are you willing to include Collectors/Direct Only? If so, there are a few RT era minis out there, such as the Armour Through the Ages and the old style Eldar Rangers.

Gorbad Ironclaw
13-09-2008, 07:26
ohh.. i just had another thought, just how old is the Ork Trukk? did it already exist when gorkamorka came out or was it a release with the game (possibly the most fun game GW's ever put out)?


Do you mean the new plastic kit that came out with the Codex? I presume we are talking models currently being sold and the trukk kit is new.

Galaspar
13-09-2008, 10:45
I'm showing MY age here, but the Space Wolves models are even older than you think. The reason SW were the first second ed codex is because most of the model range had been launched a few months earlier, as the last major release of Rogue Trader. Ragnar and the other special characters, and the Wolf Guard terminators, are the last survivors there. The Deathwing terminators came from the same era, but i think slightly earlier.

Darkhorse
13-09-2008, 10:54
Simple, the IG rough riders plastic horse by a furlong.

Gobsmak
13-09-2008, 10:57
I'm just re-painting up my metal Space Wolf models and they came out in 1993 !

Griefbringer
13-09-2008, 11:08
Ragnar and the other special characters, and the Wolf Guard terminators, are the last survivors there. The Deathwing terminators came from the same era, but i think slightly earlier.

Deathwing terminators were released somewhere 4-6 months after the RT era Space Wolves.

BaloOrk
02-11-2009, 20:40
Which model is the oldest in GW current range?, both fantasy and 40k.

Roguebaron
02-11-2009, 20:47
not sure, but i"d guess the sisters of battle would be up there for 40k. The blood bowl dark elf, chaos and ratlin teams would be up there as well.

Korras
02-11-2009, 20:51
I think it would be the metal Imperial Guardsmen from the Steel Legion/Valhallan/Mordian regiments. those have been around longer then the sisters.

as for Fantasy, I have no clue.

GomezAddams
02-11-2009, 20:52
Its either Eldar Jetbike, Warp Spiders, wraithguard or the leman russ depending on whether you count the upgrade as making it new.

Actually, possibly snotlings might have a fair few years on them depending on whether some got carried over and such as they did a bunch of different sculpts over the years but never really retired any until the great purge.


I remember everything else being released...


I was thinking about this the other day while looking at the Imperial assassian models. I mean, they've gone up by near enough 100% in price and yet the models are exactly the same, with most of them below par compared to modern sculpts.


EDIT: Catachans were the oldest guard regiment released :) Catachans, Cadians, Valhallans, Chimera, Mordians, Tallarns, and finally Steel Legion, then came sisters IF memory serves as a release order.

ZeroTwentythree
02-11-2009, 20:56
I think these are some of the oldest WFB figures I could find on their site:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1150085&prodId=prod1140287

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1200011&prodId=prod1140125


I don't remember which ones came out first, though.



Some of the chaos sorcerers and warriors have been around almost as long:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1440005&rootCatGameStyle=

perplexiti
02-11-2009, 20:58
Don't forget the Ragnar and Ulrik sculpts from the Wolves as well, first codex in 2nd ed so they're prety ancient now.

grissom2006
02-11-2009, 21:01
Well the elementals as a range we're out before Rogue Trader. Along with most of the Familiar range.

Some of the Dragons as well pre date RT.

AndrewGPaul
02-11-2009, 21:03
I was going to say one of the Eldar Warlocks (date from Rogue Trader) or the Epic Reaver Titan,, but yeah, those Elementals are probably the oldest.

perplexiti, Ulrik and Ragnar predate 2nd edition by about a year. :)

toonboy78
02-11-2009, 21:15
I think these are some of the oldest WFB

Some of the chaos sorcerers and warriors have been around almost as long:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1440005&rootCatGameStyle=

i had the guy with the whip about 15 years ago.i think he cost me £3-4 at the time, and he was made of lead


I was going to say one of the Eldar Warlocks (date from Rogue Trader) or the Epic Reaver Titan,, but yeah, those Elementals are probably the oldest.

perplexiti, Ulrik and Ragnar predate 2nd edition by about a year. :)

space wolves were in WD156 which i think was end 1992

chromedog
02-11-2009, 21:22
There are two eldar warlocks from 1990 still in production.

Lewis
02-11-2009, 21:30
I think of those we have seen the dwarf adventures were circa the 80's and 90's of white dwarf. The elementals round about the same time but the chaos stuff currently around is realm of chaos era, early 100s.i think.

ZeroTwentythree
02-11-2009, 21:32
Well the elementals as a range we're out before Rogue Trader. Along with most of the Familiar range.

Some of the Dragons as well pre date RT.



Good call. Some of the small dragons are probably at least as old as the Elementals.

I'm pretty sure the Familiars are newer and came out around the same time as the Chaos Sorcerers in the previous link I posted. Those would have been around the time of the Realms of Chaos books, which were near the tail end of 3rd edition. I think the Elementals and some of the dragons would have been around in 2nd edition.

I think it's a shame they only produce a few of those. IIRC there were probably 20 sorcerers and twice as many warriors.

grissom2006
02-11-2009, 21:33
There are two eldar warlocks from 1990 still in production.

I'd make it 4 of them having seen them in my WD issues from the time.

The current familiar selection is a mix some are newer but a good few of them are older most of these i had about RT era http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1200013&prodId=prod1300000

Wil Grand
02-11-2009, 21:34
I'm pretty sure I'd be right in saying that the plastic zombie regement is the oldest WH plastics since they were the second battalion box to come out after the Choas Warriors. metals? The Blood Angel Chaplain must be up there.

Harry
02-11-2009, 21:35
For fantasy I think it is the Marauder snotlings.

However they re-released some of the early Chaos warriors and sorcerers with the recent Warriors of Chaos.
But thats cheating.

The familiars are the same era as the Chaos warriors but the elementals are earlier but still cheating.

The Dragon masters Dragon is probably the oldest of the rereleases.

But it is possible that the skeleton Horse is the oldest because although the mould was tidied up bit the original sculpt was not redone.

Baggers
02-11-2009, 21:39
Sisters of Battle were released in 1997 most of the metal Imperial Guard regiments were produced in 1995. The Dark Angel and Blood Angels character models are from the same time.

In terms of fantasy I would say the Dark Elf beastmaster on dragon, the special character dude who his name forgets me is the oldest.

SneakyChris
02-11-2009, 21:44
stone trolls........ but i think the dwarfs mentioned before are some of the oldest. for 40k its got to be some of the eldar range. The warlocks are defiantly alot older than warp spiders.

marv335
02-11-2009, 21:48
Goff Rockers are quite old.

Harry
02-11-2009, 21:51
The Goff rock band has been around a while but for 40K it has to be the Space marine armour through the ages variants.

steveb
02-11-2009, 22:01
I think the Elementals may well be oldest. They predate any plastics work by GW (I believe they were originally released pre-slotta but it might have been around the time of the changeover). May of the collectors dragons are from a similar period but I think the Elementals are slightly older...

uncugly
02-11-2009, 23:39
The Elementals (according to Stuff of Legends) were in the third Citadel Compendium circa 1985

http://www.solegends.com/citc/c34elemsdemons.htm

uu

PsyberWolf
03-11-2009, 01:19
The Space Wolf captain (w/ the wolf head/helm) has got to be one of the oldest still for sale. He has been around since at least the late 80's or perhaps very early 90's.

ZeroTwentythree
03-11-2009, 04:11
However they re-released some of the early Chaos warriors and sorcerers with the recent Warriors of Chaos.
But thats cheating.

The familiars are the same era as the Chaos warriors but the elementals are earlier but still cheating.


How is that cheating?




The Dragon masters Dragon is probably the oldest of the rereleases.


I'm almost certain I remember the Dragon Masters Dragon coming out after the elementals, and possibly some of the "dwarf adventurers."


It's been a while, so I'm willing to admit if I'm wrong on that. ;)


edit: Stuff o' Legends says it's 1987.

http://www.solegends.com/citdragon/wd90p49dragonmasters.htm

JoV
03-11-2009, 06:44
Damnit, Harry beat me. It has to be snotlings for sure. I am only convinced because GW admitted as such once. somewhere...

Avian
03-11-2009, 07:23
How is that cheating?
I think he meant that when you say "in the range", collectors models should not count (which I agree with).

steveb
03-11-2009, 09:08
The Elementals (according to Stuff of Legends) were in the third Citadel Compendium circa 1985

http://www.solegends.com/citc/c34elemsdemons.htm

uu

Did some checking last night as I have some of the compendiums. They aren't in Compendium 2 but they are in the first Citadel Journal which is slightly earlier again (back before they were photographing figs and they only had artists impressions in catalogues).

destroyerlord
03-11-2009, 09:29
How is that cheating?

I think he meant that when you say "in the range", collectors models should not count (which I agree with).
Seconded. The question was which model is the oldest 'still in the range'. To me that implies that the model is still being sold as the current model to use in your army. Warlocks count, but old models that haven't been available for the last 20 something years and were only re-released as part of the collectors range don't. IMO, what is the oldest GW (citadel) model in currently in production would be a different topic.

AndrewGPaul
03-11-2009, 09:59
Now we're getting nitpicky. Without further clarification, I assumed "current range" means "all the minis I can buy from GW now". Excluding Collectors minis, then it's the Epic Reaver Titan. If you're going to be really predantic and only include Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 miniatures, then it's the Eldar Warlock With Singing Spear (and antlers) and the Warlock With Witch Blade (with the sword vertically on his right side).

The wolf-headed Space Wolf Captain only came out in October 1990, or thereabouts. Those Eldar Warlocks predate him, and like I said, the Reaver Titan is older still. The Elementals, being pre-slotta base models are the oldest models they still sell (although they were out of production for over a decade).

The "Dragonmasters dragon" (so-called because it came in a box set titled Dragon Masters) wasn't even a Warhammer miniature; it started life as part of Citadel's Eternal Champion range, one of their Melnibonéan miniatures.

Harry, those "Space Marines Through The Ages" models aren't that old. The mark 1 guy is from 1990, but the others are all later sculpts.

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 10:27
Can the models in question be bought YES is their a rule saying you can't use them in a game NO, so the Elementals and Familiars are still valid stop being so predantic.

jimbobodoll
03-11-2009, 10:49
I was going to say one of the Eldar Warlocks (date from Rogue Trader) or the Epic Reaver Titan,, but yeah, those Elementals are probably the oldest.

perplexiti, Ulrik and Ragnar predate 2nd edition by about a year. :)

Eldar Warlock was my guess too for 40k. its a 1980s sculpt, possibly as early as 85 (when Jes [the sculptor] sculpted the first skaven models [of which some have similar poses]). Epic Reaver Titan is not old.

EDIT: Ohhhh I see, "The first 'beetleback' warlord titan was in original version of adeptus titanicus pre-epic (again 80s)..." but that Reaver titan is still 'in press' whilst the lovely red plastic beetlebacks got taken out ages ago... "boo!" My dumbness is down to covert work warseering so apologies

Avian
03-11-2009, 11:05
Can the models in question be bought YES is their a rule saying you can't use them in a game NO, so the Elementals and Familiars are still valid stop being so predantic.
Now that we've determined what is the oldest overall, what are the oldest non-collectors models from Warhammer 40K and Warhammer Fantasy respectively?

:angel:

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 11:10
Reaver Titan 88/89 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1290359&prodId=prod1110139

Empire any of these
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300287&prodId=prod20004
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300287&prodId=prod20004
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300287&prodId=prod20028
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300287&prodId=prod20027

Plastic wise
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1250001&prodId=prod1290030 Was the main stay of horse mounts then came the armoured one.

Avian
03-11-2009, 11:13
Is the Reaver Titan for 40K or Fantasy? :p

Could I use it as a very oddly shaped Steam Tank in an Empire army, do you think?

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 11:33
Could I use it as a very oddly shaped Steam Tank in an Empire army, do you think?

Nope it couldn't as it's been released 3 different times and each time differently with it's older versions going OOP the first one appeared in the 90's as well. The plastic horse was about in 89.

Stop trying to make this into your thread by making it about 40K and WFB the thread is about what is the oldest model that GW produces not what genre it comes from.

Whitehorn
03-11-2009, 11:37
leman russ depending on whether you count the upgrade as making it new.

It's a whole new sculpt, not an upgrade.



Stop trying to make this into your thread by making it about 40K and WFB the thread is about what is the oldest model that GW produces not what genre it comes from.

OK, so let's go back to the OP, who did state 40k and fantasy.

Perhaps that was Avian's point.

Just maybe...

jimbobodoll
03-11-2009, 11:52
Here's an odd one for you all... What about Tom Meier's dragons which Citadel held the license for in the 1980s but are now owned and released through a different company [ral partha] (still new sculpts though)... These would have to be as old as the elementals and could be argued to still be technically citadel as well... They kinda are... :S :S

EDIT: The blue dragon from this page (Tom Meier's) is listed in the 1988 citadel catalogue (though it might be earlier of course):
http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/0806dragons.htm

and is still available today (3rd one down):
http://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/search.php?sq=P06SV9643MC1CSCYS82653W4VAW46YVSCMCA BF7P7S6YVTCMS3CUS2S1LS

Fenrir
03-11-2009, 14:13
How about the plastic armoured horse model?

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 14:15
That came out after the none armoured one.

Promethius
03-11-2009, 14:29
The IG rough riders are pretty old. About '94? It's interesting how they are showing their age, wheras the older warp spiders are still awesome. I would say that Eldar probably have the oldest 40k mini in some of the warlocks, and get special mention for having more old models than anyone else!

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 14:33
the Space Marine metal of the Apothocary and Standard Bearer are pretty old as well.

Tymell
03-11-2009, 15:09
For Fantasy: Ignoring things like the Elementals (because they seem to me more like special classic models you can get online) I'd have thought the Skaven globadiers would be a contender. Especially when you consider that the Skaven book is only just being redone, and I haven't seen any sign of them being redone for it.

Trolls and Dragon Ogres would be others, maybe certain Dwarf models.

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 15:19
Would be good but they've had 2 versions that i know of. But some of the basic Skaven with hand weapons and such are old. Along with some of the different army swarm bases. Some of the Slayer models are older than others as well.

AndrewGPaul
03-11-2009, 15:54
Eltharion The Grim is a good contender - pretty much the only survivor from 4th edition Warhammer, I think. Either that or some of the Imperial cavalry. Those Poison Wind Globadiers came later, as did the Dwarves. The Empire army was renovated into the current style at the tail end of 3rd edition (1991-1992) and the High Elves were the first Warhammer Armies book, IIRC.

I can't check at the moment - did the Empire get new Knightly Order, Pistolier or Engineers minis in the last few years?

grissom2006
03-11-2009, 16:04
I can't check at the moment - did the Empire get new Knightly Order, Pistolier or Engineers minis in the last few years?

They got plastic sets but the Masters for the orders remained as was from my earlier post.

ZeroTwentythree
03-11-2009, 16:08
I took the OP to mean current range = currently for sale.

The classification as "collectors" is only a marketing classification arbitrarily determined by GW for certain figures. There are, for example, figures in the "collectors" category that are newer than some of the figures in the other categories.





Eltharion The Grim is a good contender - pretty much the only survivor from 4th edition Warhammer, I think. Either that or some of the Imperial cavalry. Those Poison Wind Globadiers came later, as did the Dwarves. The Empire army was renovated into the current style at the tail end of 3rd edition (1991-1992) and the High Elves were the first Warhammer Armies book, IIRC.



The Empire list was in White Dwarf when 3rd edition was still around, before army came out officially as a 4th ed. book. But IIRC they had the figures at that time. So I think the links someone posted above (War Altar, etc.) should be older than the HE or Skaven figures.


I'm still not certain how that's different than the "collectors" figures, as they're still all being sold be GW, and in the case of the WAlter, you still have to mail order it. :confused:

jimbobodoll
03-11-2009, 17:25
I don't know why people think any model first released in the 1990s will be the oldest in either system. When talking about the oldest minis, there have been plenty of examples on these pages of 1980s citadel minis that are still in production and that can be bought... Perhaps we can limit our discussion of candidates to this decade?

warmasterbond
03-11-2009, 18:00
If we are talking about current range only and not stuff like collectors / bitz packs of older components, then its relatively easy.

40K has to be Eldar Warlocks (2 of the figures date back to RT and appear in the Blue/1991 Catalog).

Fantasy it would either be one of 3 things:
Snotlings (if the current blisters includes any of the ones in the Red/1991 Catalog) or otherwise one of the Empire Elector Counts (originally appeared in Green/1992 Catalog) or Stone Trolls (same catalog)

perplexiti
03-11-2009, 18:19
I was going to say one of the Eldar Warlocks (date from Rogue Trader) or the Epic Reaver Titan,, but yeah, those Elementals are probably the oldest.

perplexiti, Ulrik and Ragnar predate 2nd edition by about a year. :)

Cool as, I couldn't quite remember when exactly they came out, just a young fella back then. I've still got my Ragnar from when i started way back then(well in 2nd ed anyway, not rogue trader era.)

BaloOrk
03-11-2009, 21:30
Woah! many answers and opinions, i was however wondering about current range only, and not collectors stuff and such, like if i were to walk into a standard GW store, which model would be the oldest?

Soo, and what model was the first ever to be produced by Citadel Miniatures? (elementals?)

Cheers! :D

Harry
03-11-2009, 21:49
From my "A blast from the past" log:

Citadel miniatures first started in 1979
They announced the release of their first miniatures a short time later in White Dwarf issue 11!!!
My next mini was one of the ones that appeared in that first selection.

This first release was a strange mix of stuff, much of it was not very exciting, However their were a couple of gems amongst them.

FS5 Old wizard on throne was one of the gems.

FS was the code for Fantasy specials. This was one of the first to be shown in WD and it was also one of the only models to be retained when they remade the fantasy Specials range in 1982. It was however updated with a new wizard which was much nicer than the original and it is this wizard from FS5-2 that I have painted.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8235/img5011cv5.jpg

This guy was one of the first FA Series ... Fantasy Adventurers. FA8 Ranger W. Sword and Bow.
He was one of the first 14 minis released and appeared in WD 12 (1981)
The first Fantasy Adventurers were a strange mix of stuff and some of it was pretty dodgy TBH but this guy was the pick of the bunch. This opinion is rienforced by the fact that he was one of the only minis from the range to be included when the entire range was redone in 1982
I love this guys moustache.
Tally-ho chaps.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8614/img5963r.jpg

Harry
03-11-2009, 22:01
I'm almost certain I remember the Dragon Masters Dragon coming out after the elementals, and possibly some of the "dwarf adventurers."

It's been a while, so I'm willing to admit if I'm wrong on that. ;)

edit: Stuff o' Legends says it's 1987.

http://www.solegends.com/citdragon/wd90p49dragonmasters.htm
Thats when it was released with Jes Goodwins High Elf riders as the Dragon Masters dragon, not when Nick Bibby originally sculpted it. :D

The Empire was the first army book but the army did, as you say appear in white dwarf a while before it appeared as a book ... with a full range of miniatures. although the steam tank, War wagon and War alter all appeared later.

Baggers
03-11-2009, 22:30
Wow Harry, once again I am jealous of your miniature collection :). I must admit that I do love that Ranger model.

synapse
04-11-2009, 10:00
how about goblin wolves for a more mainstream choice?

grissom2006
04-11-2009, 10:11
how about goblin wolves for a more mainstream choice?

Those came out after the plastic horse did.

Poseidal
04-11-2009, 11:04
In terms of widespread use and being in the main section for the army, I would say the 1990 Warlocks as well.

I think it's a testament to Jes Goodwin's original design, that they're still around. I actually think almost all of the range he produced then still look good (and maybe better than) compared to today's miniatures which not only says something about his sculpting skill but designs as well.

There's a mystical, maybe timeless quality to them.

(Also, I think the Bug Eye Farseer looks better than any of it's successors; it's a shame that's OOP)

How old is Karl Franz on Deathclaw and the War Altar? I don't think they're as old as the Warlocks but they do seem quite old.

AndrewGPaul
04-11-2009, 19:26
The three Knight Grand Masters are all older than Karl Franz, I think (but not by much). They came out before 4th edition, while the Emperor was released after the 4th edition game came out.

Actually, these guys are the oldest:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300283&prodId=prod1140287

grissom2006
04-11-2009, 21:21
Actually, these guys are the oldest:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300283&prodId=prod1140287

About WD 98 as i recall for those.

jams86
04-11-2009, 23:15
the warlocks may be old but they still hold up nicely with the current range :)

ZeroTwentythree
05-11-2009, 06:05
Woah! many answers and opinions, i was however wondering about current range only, and not collectors stuff and such, like if i were to walk into a standard GW store, which model would be the oldest?
Cheers! :D


Well, see, that's the trick. The War Altar isn't part of the collectors range, it's part of the "main" Empire range, but you still can't walk in to a store and buy it either. Same with some of the other figures since they've changed the packaging and made some things direct-only.

Which is why I was saying all their labeling is just arbitrary, anyway. Also why I was going with the idea that if it's currently in production and on their web page, it's fair game. ;)

grissom2006
05-11-2009, 09:57
Face it increasingly more and more Metal Mini's are going Mail Order Only haven't seen blisters for Warlocks and Farseers in my GW for the past 2 months.

Jes when he did the Eldar range pretty much set the bench mark for them so it's only right that current lived upto the old. I'll still say though that when it comes to the Warlocks that 4 in that range all got released at the same time, so it's 4 models not 2 that are oldest for 40K.

jimbobodoll
05-11-2009, 10:14
Face it increasingly more and more Metal Mini's are going Mail Order Only haven't seen blisters for Warlocks and Farseers in my GW for the past 2 months.

Jes when he did the Eldar range pretty much set the bench mark for them so it's only right that current lived upto the old. I'll still say though that when it comes to the Warlocks that 4 in that range all got released at the same time, so it's 4 models not 2 that are oldest for 40K.

From this page:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300099&rootCatGameStyle=

The three early ones are:
"Eldar Warlock with Singing Spear"
"Eldar Warlock with Two Handed Witch Blade"
"Eldar Warlock with Witch Blade"

The much newer others are:
"Eldar Warlock with Singing Spear and Skuriken Pistol"
"Eldar Warlock with Witch Blade and Skuriken Pistol"

Note the warlock available in the bundle packages armed with a two handed witch blade and differing from that above is much much more recent and was released with the "Eldar Seer Council" on this page in the new (dark[boom boom]) millennium.

Poseidal
05-11-2009, 10:21
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2093eldaravatrwarlks-h.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citcat9x4/c93485-01.htm

The 3rd and 4th Warlock released in the original lot isn't available, because they have Laspistols.

2-Handed and Spear+Shuriken Pistol were 1993 or so releases.

So we have:

2/4 from 1990 (2 removed for having laspistols)
2 from 1993, both still in production
1 from around the Eye of Terror Campaign, two handed Witchblade, slanted pose. Only available in the seer boxed sets and not in blisters.

grissom2006
05-11-2009, 10:24
From this page:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300099&rootCatGameStyle=

The three early ones are:
"Eldar Warlock with Singing Spear"
"Eldar Warlock with Two Handed Witch Blade"
"Eldar Warlock with Witch Blade"

The much newer others are:
"Eldar Warlock with Singing Spear and Skuriken Pistol"
"Eldar Warlock with Witch Blade and Skuriken Pistol"

Note the warlock available in the bundle packages armed with a two handed witch blade and differing from that above is much much more recent and was released with the "Eldar Seer Council" on this page in the new (dark[boom boom]) millennium.

4 of said Warlocks all present and accounted for in 2nd Edition Eldar Codex and WD. I even bought the 4 when they first came out. Those ones being:-

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300099&prodId=prod1060084
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300099&prodId=prod1060096
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300099&prodId=prod1060088
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300099&prodId=prod1060094

Eldar was pretty much my first major army in 40K my collection includes everything they've produced for them over the years.

jimbobodoll
05-11-2009, 10:26
4 of said Warlocks all present and accounted for in 2nd Edition Eldar Codex and WD.

the singing spear and shuriken pistol? I just came back to edit my post on further memory of that :D

EDIT: Hang on... From here we can see that only 2 are old OLD OLD warlocks, the other 2 are defo newer (pff @ 40k in a box): http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2093eldaravatrwarlks.htm

warmasterbond
05-11-2009, 12:52
the singing spear and shuriken pistol? I just came back to edit my post on further memory of that :D

EDIT: Hang on... From here we can see that only 2 are old OLD OLD warlocks, the other 2 are defo newer (pff @ 40k in a box): http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2093eldaravatrwarlks.htm

Two of the figures are from RT Era - http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2093eldaravatrwarlks-m.htm shows the first batch of Warlocks released.

Two further Warlocks are from 1993 ish - http://www.solegends.com/citcat9x4/c93485-02.htm shows all 6 Warlocks that were available in 1993. This is the Catalog sheet that also appeared in the 2nd Edition Eldar Codex.

Both Warlocks with Laspistols were discontinued when 3rd Edition 40K arrived (since Eldar no longer used Laspistols/Lasguns)

jams86
05-11-2009, 13:25
i've got the bug-eyed farseer. i use him a spiritseer in my wraithguard unit

ZeroTwentythree
05-11-2009, 13:43
Face it increasingly more and more Metal Mini's are going Mail Order Only haven't seen blisters for Warlocks and Farseers in my GW for the past 2 months.



It seems like they are phasing out blisters, for the most part. Almost everything is going to boxed packaging.

LonelyPath
06-11-2009, 00:36
I think it's either the Elementals, Dragons or the Familiars, they've both been around since WFB 3rd edition. I'm not entirely certain but I think a couple of those familiars were about during 2nd edition as well! I don't have access to my full WD collection at present (all but the 80 most recent issues are packed away in the attic) but it would be nice to try and dig them out to take a look. Either way it's make those miniatures somewhere around a 1986/7 release.

IJW
06-11-2009, 14:55
Now we're getting nitpicky. Without further clarification, I assumed "current range" means "all the minis I can buy from GW now".
My assumption was 'either continuously produced or sold as the current model for that unit', which would make it the Reaver shortly followed by the Phantom if we look beyond 40k & WFB.


The "Dragonmasters dragon" (so-called because it came in a box set titled Dragon Masters) wasn't even a Warhammer miniature; it started life as part of Citadel's Eternal Champion range, one of their Melnibonéan miniatures.
To expand on what Harry said, it may have been sculpted as Elric on a Melnibonean Dragon, but it wasn't released until the Eternal Champion license had run out and was first released as a 'generic' Elf Dragon. It was never released within the EC range.


I'd have thought the Skaven globadiers would be a contender.
Nowhere near - they weren't even out for the 4th ed army book.

jimbobodoll
06-11-2009, 15:00
Well I'm still sticking to my Tom Meier 1980s blue dragon... :P

Toffernz
17-08-2010, 08:29
While visiting the UK last month (having moved to NZ in 2003) I found the old bitz service is now gone and all that you can buy are the figures found on their website. So I was unable to buy a few of the older minis I wanted. Oh well. That is what e-bay is for I suppose.

Anyway this got me thinking. what old minis are still available. So here is my qustion to you all.

What is the oldest mini currently available from GW on their website or wherever. Here is my bid. The BB Dwarf cheerleader

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490007a&prodId=prod1560057

Bloodknight
17-08-2010, 08:34
I think some of the Snotlings still take the cake.

IJW
17-08-2010, 10:00
Bloodnight is probably correct - there are some 1985 or possibly even 1984 Snotlings in this lot:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod20014a

The set of four elementals is probably a tie, though:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500025a&prodId=prod1140125

EDIT - the BB Dwarf is 1988: http://solegends.com/citbb/bb105dwarfs.htm

Old School
17-08-2010, 10:22
Those pre-slotta dragons are old too, anything pre-slotta shows its age...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat500025a&rootCatGameStyle=

but I can't beat IJW's mention of the elementals, they are very old. That was probably back when GW sold D&D books and did miniatures to match.

IJW
17-08-2010, 10:44
There are no preslotta (older than 1984-5) dragons still available - the larger ones are from the blister box range from late '87/early '88 (SoL link (http://solegends.com/citdragon/index.htm), DS numbers) while the smaller ones are from the 1985 C29 range (http://solegends.com/citjour85a/cj85ap26c29youngdragsmon-02.htm) or 1986 C29 range (http://solegends.com/citc/c29youngdragons.htm) (alternative image (http://solegends.com/citcomp3/citcomp3033-01.htm)).

EDIT the elementals are from Spring 1985 so the same age as some of the smaller dragons:
http://www.solegends.com/citjour85a/cj85ap29ac34elems-02.htm

AndrewGPaul
17-08-2010, 12:31
Haven't we had this discussion before (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228703&highlight=oldest)?

Uncle Bomber
17-08-2010, 12:39
I dont know about GW, but i just found some multi part metal Chaos knights at the back of my cupboard.

IJW
17-08-2010, 12:41
Haven't we had this discussion before (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228703&highlight=oldest)?
At least three separate times since I joined the forums, although some of the previous threads were 'oldest model available off-the-shelf' rather than available online. ;)

t-tauri
17-08-2010, 13:41
Haven't we had this discussion before (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228703&highlight=oldest)?
Four threads merged. Please try a search before opening a new thread.

gwarsh41
17-08-2010, 22:04
What about some of the daemon models? I do not know how long daemons in fantasy have been around, but some of those models have 1993 stamps on them.

AndrewGPaul
17-08-2010, 23:12
Which ones? The only ones, IIRC, that date to the 20th century are the greater daemons, and maybe some of the characters.

swifty2
17-08-2010, 23:17
Poisoned wind globadiers are pretty old, and nagash is still around thats fairly ancient :D

AndrewGPaul
18-08-2010, 08:39
Read back through the thread - none of those are anywhere near to being the oldest.

Utred
19-08-2010, 03:04
Have the harlequins been re-done? The ones I remember were the Jes Godwin sculpts from the late '80s. That would have been white dwarf 105 - September 1988?

I *think* the last time I was in a GW I saw them on the shelf... maybe..

Bloodknight
19-08-2010, 07:53
The Harlequins have been redone when the current Eldar codex was released. The current minis don't have that much in common with Jes's old sculpts and they're notably bigger.

DarthSte
19-08-2010, 12:33
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500024a&prodId=prod1690009

This chap (and his friends) completely outdate the Space Wolf character by at least four years.

IJW
19-08-2010, 13:14
While the Elementals and small Dragons already mentioned predate the skeletal Champion of Chaos by a further four years... ;)

DarthSte
19-08-2010, 16:36
Yeah, I think they hadn't been mentioned in the thread I was writing in, but 4 have been merged together now...

thenamelessdead
19-08-2010, 21:56
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500024a&prodId=prod1690009

This chap (and his friends) completely outdate the Space Wolf character by at least four years.

As good as that model is, £8?! Not sure whether to :D or :cries:

It's probably already been mentioned in the previous 11 pages but the Horned Rat model's pretty old.

IJW
19-08-2010, 23:00
No it isn't, the Verminlord didn't come out until the 4th ed. Skaven book, well into the Nineties. Same age as the current PWGs.

enyoss
19-08-2010, 23:43
Yeah, the Verminlord was released around 1994 I think, so a fair bit after that Chaos chap.

Although there have been a few resculpts in one form or another the Dragonmaster Dragon is positively ancient but still looks great!

EDIT: It looks like the Kegox is actually older than the rest of the dragons, and seeing how you could get that from the GW online store when this thread was started I say it counts :D

FabricatorGeneralMike
20-08-2010, 04:39
I was going to say some of the Chaos stuff, warriors/familuars/ etc/etc. They where old when I got into 40k (89-90)