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Ben
15-06-2005, 22:38
Can you design the sweetest Elite carnifex around? Answers on a postcard.

Here is the one I am tempted to go for

Carnifex - scything talons, twin linked devourer, gland +1WS, enhanced senses +1 BS - 115 points exactly.

Wraith
15-06-2005, 22:48
It has to be under 115pts...

librerian_samae
15-06-2005, 22:51
nope 115 or under

Negafex
15-06-2005, 22:52
just take out the ws as you'll most likely hit on a 4+ anyways and as for me two twin linked devourers for me 8 strength 6 shots with rerolls on to wound and hit

Eversor
15-06-2005, 22:55
nope 115 or under
:chrome: You should reread the codex ;)

EDIT: Oh, and I go with almost the same version as Negafex:
2x Twin linked Devourers
+ Enhanced senses

It's a bit unclear what happens when you take two twin linked weapons though...

Wraith
15-06-2005, 22:58
nope 115 or under

Take Eversor's advice.


...for me two twin linked devourers for me 8 strength 6 shots with rerolls on to wound and hit

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Oh, and I go with almost the same version as Negafex:
2x Twin linked Devourers
+ Enhanced senses

I like this guy too, his only downside is he doesn't look that great as a model.

Ben
15-06-2005, 23:00
Here I was thinking nice round number. That makes 2 scything claws, +1 WS and toxic miasma look good, or ditching the WS upgrade enitrely.
I'm just after a good design for a cheap carni that is an all rounder.

zealousheretic
15-06-2005, 23:02
Classic Screamer-Killer for me, thanks.

Either 2X Talons, +1 WS, and Bio-Plasma, or
2X Talons, +1 WS, and Toxic Miasma.

Ben
15-06-2005, 23:03
Two twin linked weapons are fine, they fire independantly of each other. Would tear up orks with that combo.

Wraith
15-06-2005, 23:05
Close combat wise the 2X Talons, +1 WS, and Toxic Miasma Fex is more to my taste.

Between the two though the dual twin-link devourer Fex seems more tempting IMO (imagine more than one of them).

athamas
15-06-2005, 23:05
it has to be 114 or less, as the codex states UNDER 115

rending claws, talons and reinforced chitin looks good!

you only get 3 attacks, but you have 5 wounds!

Negafex
15-06-2005, 23:08
in response to eversors response i dont think its possible to twin link an already twinlinked wpn so if you got 2x twin linked devourers it would be just that so you could fire both

Fulgrim's Gimp
15-06-2005, 23:09
carnifex with crushing claws and rending talons. 113pts.

Wraith
15-06-2005, 23:10
At the end of the day it also depends IMO how many other Fexs will be in your army (and what you are equiping them with) as to how you choose to equip your elite 'Fex.

Atrix
15-06-2005, 23:12
carnifex with crushing claws and rending talons. 113pts.


I think I would go with 2xST instead. In general, 4 attacks is better than D6 attacks.

Ben
15-06-2005, 23:12
Is it better to specialise with the cheap fexes, and let the big expensive ones be more multi-role?
Plus you need two fex boxes to make the 2x twin linked devourer fex, and I have only the one. :-(

Wraith
15-06-2005, 23:13
carnifex with crushing claws and rending talons. 113pts.

I like the 2xST, Toxic Miasma, and +1WS Fex way better if you want a combat Fex.

I'm not sure if I'm sold on 'crushing claws' -- there needs to a big discussion as to whether they are really worth taking either together with a pair of ST or just on their own with a ranaged weapon.


Is it better to specialise with the cheap fexes, and let the big expensive ones be more multi-role?

Heavy Support Fexes = your chance to take a Venom Cannon and/or Barbed Strangler.

Or your chance to make the ultimate combat fex of regenerating doom but this is more of an indulgence if you ask me.

So 'yes' basically (to an extent) -- you could go an elite scything talon, devourer fex and couple it with a twin brother Fex.


Pus you need two fex boxes to make the 2x twin linked devourer fex, and I have only the one.

Could you trade for a pair?

Fulgrim's Gimp
15-06-2005, 23:19
I'm toying with the idea of making cheap fexes look like the harder fexes, hence the crushing claws so the opponent can't be entirely sure which is the more powerful.Here's another-
fex-tusked,adrenal glands for initiative,scything talons and rending claws 112 pts

Ben
15-06-2005, 23:21
No one else about has them yet, though I will inevitably be getting another fex soon. I may go with a talons and devourer fex, and simply up the points in some battles but keep them low in small point engagements. It isn't like the 1000 point list I am working on has other heavy support choices.
Has anyone else tried building a 1500 point list and run out of troops choices?

Ben
15-06-2005, 23:25
To be fair I wouldn't touch crushing claws with a sh*tty stick as swapping 2 attacks and one bio weapons slot in which you could put talons for D6 attacks strikes me as pointless. I like the D6 attacks idea, I use manreaper on my Deathguard HQ, but frankly as it is not the original attack stat +D6 or +D3 (which would have been more appropriate) you can actually end up with less attacks from taking this biomorph.
I would swap crushing claws for talons or even rending claws if you are desperate add tusks for an additional attack on the charge, or give him a tail weapon as they cost less and are better.

Wraith
15-06-2005, 23:25
Well out of the lot of them the devourer, scything talon Fex looks the best as a model, give it toxic miasma or Adrenal Glands (+WS) as the re-rolls should see you well with the devourers.

I to am vey suspicious of crushing claws and I would never give a Fex rending talons.

Fulgrim's Gimp
15-06-2005, 23:28
I thought manreaper added d6 attacks to the stat or d6 +1 when charging ? Sorry little bit off topic.

Ben
15-06-2005, 23:34
Manreaper is +1D6 if you are in combat with more than one model, so I have mown down squads in two turns of combat with just my lieutenant. It is +1 attack if there is only one opponent. But really good.
I'm going to go with talons and devourers. I'll start the model now.

zealousheretic
16-06-2005, 00:05
Crushing Claws are a tad expensive for what they do, although I do understand why; when you roll high, the result is stunning.


My current strategy, carnifex-wise, involves a comboing a tooled up V-cannon and talons critter with one or more elite 'fexi. Add in the Tyrant, and the enemy will (hopefully) be rather confused as to where to point their big guns.

Inquis. Jaeger
16-06-2005, 01:46
Is the 6-fex 1500pt army viable? An important question, and one that I doubt many people have seen in real life yet (ie not just 'on-paper')

The Dragon Reborn
16-06-2005, 03:58
I just played a game against nids with my chaos, and he used 4 fexs and a tryant and broodlord. so a 6 TMC list in 1500. it was killer i didnt expect that at all because he usually brings just a tryant or 2. but i did end up drawing, but that was mostly lucky rolls with obliterators. i belive 5+ MC lists will do well in most cases but will do very poor in others. so basically pick your poison.

Shas'o'Fior
16-06-2005, 04:12
for me, 2x scything talons, spine backs and adrenal glands (the +1I)
it nearly always hits anyway, so many attacks, has the equalivent of frag grenades, and more that 1 I to hopefully kill any powerfist units in cc with it

Wraith
16-06-2005, 10:33
Is the 6-fex 1500pt army viable? An important question, and one that I doubt many people have seen in real life yet (ie not just 'on-paper')

I have confidence it may be viable BUT the Carnifexes need to be equipped near-perfectly -- no indulging and taking an OOE super fex for example (I think all the HS fexes would need some sort of ranged weapon).

Probably it'd be better for it to be led by a Broodlord too depending on the points.


I just played a game against nids with my chaos, and he used 4 fexs and a tryant and broodlord. so a 6 TMC list in 1500.

A Broodlord isn't a MC.

Shas'o'Fior
16-06-2005, 13:32
I just did a calculation, with an average of 114pts for each of elite carnifexs', an average of 150 pts for the heavy support (not very high, must cut down on the expensive stuff) and 170 for the tyrant. you can get 34 vanilla genestealers (11 per squad and 1 extra) at 1510 pts.That makes for 7 TMCs (i think) and 64 attacks with fleet and rending...

EDIT: Yup. Cheers, Inq. Jager

Inquis. Jaeger
16-06-2005, 13:33
I have confidence it may be viable BUT the Carnifexes need to be equipped near-perfectly -- no indulging and taking an OOE super fex for example (I think all the HS fexes would need some sort of ranged weapon).

Probably it'd be better for it to be led by a Broodlord too depending on the points.



A Broodlord isn't a MC.

So three Elite, Scything-Talon Fexes, supported by 3 quite cheap HS Fexes, with maybe 2 barbed stranglers and a venom cannon between them? Then what? A venom cannon Tyrant, backed up by maybe some scouting genestealers to get into the enemy gunline early on? Alternatively, a Brood Lord with retinue and a couple of Genestealer broods. I don't think the 6 fex army would be unrealistic to field in terms of points - max of 342 on Elite Fexes, then perhaps 150-175 on the HS choices each - 525 max. Plus perhaps 180 on a Tyrant or Brood Lord and retinue, leaving perhaps 450-400 points for troops choices.

Is this not viable?

EDIT: Thanks Shas o'Fior. Great minds, eh? :D