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Lord Damocles
29-03-2017, 18:14
- The Sisters of Silence are each 'one in a trillion'. Previously we've been told that the pariah gene is a one in a billion mutation (so female pariahs would presumably be one in two billion). Possibly the difference is that the Sisters are apparently able to manipulate and suppress their auras.

- It is confirmed that the Emperor had a hand in the manipulation of the pariah gene, as part of his efforts to combat the influence of Chaos.

- Following the Horus Heresy, the surviving Sisters of Silence largely dispersed across the Imperium, establishing orders and convents on backwater planets, from where they engaged in a variety of activities including hunting down rogue psykers alongside the Inquisition, Black Ships, and Adeptus Astra Telepathica; recovering pariahs; guarding vital locations; and 'infiltrating the hyperspacial tunnels of the webway'.
On the few occasions the Sisters have fought in major gatherings, all records have been expunged from Imperial records.

- Some Sisters reintegrated into human societies, going on to have families, and spreading the pariah gene further through humanity.

- In the period since the Heresy, the number of Sisters of Silence has steadily increased, to the point where currently there are 'tens of thousands' of them.

- Following his return, Guilliman ordered that the remains of the Sisterhood should be located and returned to the Imperial fold.

- The timeline appears to jump forward from the end of Rise of the Primarch quite some way. The Sisters of Silence are now largely fleet-based. By gathering together in large enough numbers, they are able to navigate warp storms by literally repelling them with their combined null field.

- The Grey Knights avoid the Sisters of Silence (for obvious reasons), but don't appear to be antagonistic towards them.

- The Sisters' psyk-out grenades are made using the cremated remains of former Sisters.

- There are example colour schemes which aren't gold/silver/bronze.

- There is a possible suggestion that the Sisters of Silence use Thunderhawk gunships.

nagash66
29-03-2017, 19:11
What irks me is the total brushover of the Beast Arises sister fluff. We know the imperium turned on them, we know many broke their vows for a time, we know they were brought back in M42.

I mean it does contradict it, but at least a nod would have been nice. Instead we get the vaguest of vague explanation as to how they are a major military force in ,42.

Plus dint the Fenris war zone have the high lords bring the sisters back into the fold?

Private_SeeD
06-04-2017, 05:15
I just finished reading that and at the end the high Lords send a parchment with all their signatures/sacred seals to the depths of the imperial palace, followed by;

"There, for the first time in millennia, a secret order that had long laboured in shadow made preparations for outright war.
They were the living weapons of the emperor - human in appearance, but with the power to unmake a God."

So again it's typical gw where authors aren't on the same page

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Lord Damocles
06-04-2017, 17:29
It's likely that the Order located on Luna/Terra have been actively working with the Imperium for some time (possibly since the War of the Beast), given their location.
At least the Codex is clear that they haven't openly made (or, been credited with having made) outright war since the Heresy.

Presumably Guilliman's order means that the rest of the scattered and de-centralised groups of Sisters should be located, recorded, and put to work for the Imperium's greater purpose.

nagash66
07-04-2017, 12:05
It's likely that the Order located on Luna/Terra have been actively working with the Imperium for some time (possibly since the War of the Beast), given their location.
At least the Codex is clear that they haven't openly made (or, been credited with having made) outright war since the Heresy.

Presumably Guilliman's order means that the rest of the scattered and de-centralised groups of Sisters should be located, recorded, and put to work for the Imperium's greater purpose.

Now see this doesnt do it for me, if they had high lord backing and were building up numbers for a long time, that means recruitment of pariahs, female ones ( so 50% of a already tiny pool). This means Imperium wide reach, recruitment, resupply to say nothing of training and field tests.

I mean pariahs do not just grow on trees, and remember this is tip top secret so its not like they just alerted every planetary lord, and the being anti psyckers they would not be caught by the black ships and their witch hunting ilk. This would require specialized forces on a HUGE scale.

Now if the new book had simple stated the are scattered secret outpost all working towards building up that would be fine, but the current explanation makes 0% sense.

How do all these secret mini basis who do not work within the imperial framework get arms? armor? munitions? The crux is that papa smurfs order for them to be brought back into the fold makes no sense, they have been there all along , with the Inquisition and Mechanicus knowledge and support or they should not exist. The fact that he stated they had to be located ( gee i wonder where all those power armor shipments are going on backwater planet #2872) is ludicrous.

I can see them tweaking the meaning to ordered them back into the Imperial fold meaning war efforts and formal chain of command.

Lord Damocles
08-04-2017, 08:28
I can see them tweaking the meaning to ordered them back into the Imperial fold meaning war efforts and formal chain of command.
Sorry, I wasn't clear - that's basically what I was suggesting.

That the Sisters of Silence are part of the Imperium's framework, but are semi-autonomous with little or no centralised command and/or oversight - like Marines, who are largely free to do their own thing, but still receive supplies from the greater Imperium.



Pariah recruitment has never really made sense since they're supposed to be so vanishingly rare.

Horus Heresy 7: Inferno suggests that there was at least one world (designation '9-13') which was able to export large numbers of pariahs (pg.216), which would seem to suggest that untouchables can be 'bred' in relatively large numbers. Presumably it's not as simple as just encouraging lots of untouchables to do the horizontal shuffle though, or else other groups would have worked it out by now.

Inferno also notes that the Sisters controlled a number of other systems by the time of the Heresy (pg.128) (ostensibly for the processing of the Great Tithe) which were hidden from the majority of Imperial records. Perhaps if some of these worlds survived they could have supplied recruits to the Sisters - without their existence being revealed to other parties interested in pariahs.

Inferno claims that the Great Tithe also collected female nulls 'just as it did the psyker-marked' (pg.127), but you'd think that without a more stable supply, the Sisters would have died out long ago as their numbers aged faster than the Black Ships could locate and collect the one in a trillion/one in two billion recruits needed (without those same recruits getting claimed by the Inquisition/Officio Assassinorum/possibly the Mechanicus etc.).

Maybe they're cloned..?



The other obvious problem which has always been present with the Sisters is that if there are a relatively sizeable number of them on Terra/Luna, how come they don't interfere with the Astronomican? The Inquisition/Mechanicus pariah research programme post-Heresy had to be terminated because they were disrupting the signal (Codex: Assassins (2nd ed.)), but the Sisters seem fine?
Perhaps the Inquisition dungeons were located very close to the Astronomican, and the Sisters avoid(ed) the local area more, but if they can disrupt warp storms, their gestalt null effect must have a pretty extensive range.

nagash66
08-04-2017, 11:37
Yeah recruitment in 40k is kinda messed up for most factions, especially when compared to reported casualties. I have read inferno, my issues however still stand, the beast arises is set 1k years post heresy, its claims that the sisters were cast out and persecuted make Inferno pretty meaningless. They find the secret bases they are burned and ruined, be it the Imperium itself, the orks ( who also sought out the sisters for extermination) or any other factor not much survived the heresy. Why bother describe the extent and thoroughness of the sisters ruin only to handwave it away months afterwords?

Again none of the background given is bad, it just once again GW made no attempt to tie it to their own setting, Fenris was brilliant and gave them the key, all they needed to do is have a short section which mentions how the High Lords/Inquisition/Mechanicus/anyone took the time and effort to support and re grow the order following the beast wars, or any other event of their choosing ( when the seers started the time of ending warnings, or have the custodes order it to tie in with them, etc). But to try to shoe horn them in like they never left just jars with me.

But as with the rise of the primarch GW seems hellbent of late to give us 99 pages of bolter porn and then try to cram in all the major background changes in 1 page.


The other obvious problem which has always been present with the Sisters is that if there are a relatively sizeable number of them on Terra/Luna, how come they don't interfere with the Astronomican? The Inquisition/Mechanicus pariah research programme post-Heresy had to be terminated because they were disrupting the signal (Codex: Assassins (2nd ed.)), but the Sisters seem fine?
Perhaps the Inquisition dungeons were located very close to the Astronomican, and the Sisters avoid(ed) the local area more, but if they can disrupt warp storms, their gestalt null effect must have a pretty extensive range.

Well on the astronomicon side MoM kinda helps here, as they never seemed to bother the Emperor and he is for all purposes the astronomicon. Mayhaps the actual sister hood has instructions/ways of not messing with it taught to them by the Emperor that other programs do not know/have no hope of replicating.

Freman Bloodglaive
09-04-2017, 08:14
Given how unpleasant regular people find being around nulls, it's hard to believe they can be bred.

I guess the Sisters can suppress the effects somewhat.

The_Real_Chris
10-04-2017, 13:16
So, if they are fleet based, how do their navigators function...

nagash66
10-04-2017, 17:03
Given how unpleasant regular people find being around nulls, it's hard to believe they can be bred.

I guess the Sisters can suppress the effects somewhat.

Not sure if trolling...if not artificial insemination, narcotics or simple use of gurdsmen who have been on the front too long, it really really doesn't take much time to figure out the many ways.


So, if they are fleet based, how do their navigators function...

This one is easy, navigators quarters are hermetically sealed for any and all outside influences. Been in the cannon for a while, they ensure nothing can mess with the navigator while he is guiding the ship.

Lord Damocles
10-04-2017, 17:17
So, if they are fleet based, how do their navigators function...
Codex: Sisters of Silence says 'They have long-standing pacts with veteran Astropaths and Navigator houses that are better able to endure their presence on interstellar voyages' (pgs.8-9), which doesn't really explain anything (enduring their presence doesn't prevent the null aura interrupting psychic powers).

Presumably the Black Ships of the 41st millennium have Navigators, and if they follow the same design as those of the Great Crusade, they have structures 'interlaced with systems to block out and resist the psyker's connection to the Empyrean' (Horus Heresy 7: Inferno, pg.130). According to Inferno, the pre-Heresy Sister-crewed Black Ships had Navigators whose 'lives are led in sealed biome-crucibles' (pg.128). Perhaps these biome-crucibles can block the null aura somewhat.

The Codex does note 'The effect of the Pariah gene is exponential and can cripple a war effort through unintended fear, confusion and astropathic malfunction if used poorly' (pg.9) so it's not all rosy hanging around the Sisters.

insectum7
10-04-2017, 18:01
I mean this partially as a joke, but given the range of their abilities in-game, and comparing that to the massive size of most Imperial warships, I would suggest that any navigators are kept on one end of the ship while the Sisters of Silence are the other. The simplest solution being the best one, and all. :)

Taker of skulls
11-04-2017, 11:57
Eisenhorn managed to create the Distaff, which was a collective of pariah trained to control their abilities. Led by alizabeth bequin who was a null herself.

Eisenhorn was only one inquisitor so i am assuming that the black ships and inquisition are able to actively recruit pariah, even in secret.

Ravenor was also know to have used pariahs.

Rogue Star
19-04-2017, 10:38
Frauka (was that his name?) From the Ravenor series also wore a limiter that could be turned off and on to act as an anti-psyker spy shield amongst other things. No idea how you'd cancel out anti-soul power though...

Fangschrecken
23-04-2017, 13:26
Doesn't the culexus assassin in "Nemesis" have something similar? Perhaps the necklace is full of the souls of captured psykers and that negates their aura?

The_Real_Chris
24-04-2017, 09:53
Maybe Cain's aide de camp was doing more than just looking at dodgy pict slates?

Lord Damocles
24-04-2017, 16:41
The primary purpose of the Culexus' Animus Speculum is to suppress their aura, so such technology does exist.

Wolf Lord Balrog
26-04-2017, 14:36
- In the period since the Heresy, the number of Sisters of Silence has steadily increased, to the point where currently there are 'tens of thousands' of them.


Figuring that there were roughly a few thousand of them to start with, increasing their numbers 10-fold over the course of 10,000 years is not a very robust rate of reproduction. For all intents and purposes its barely above replacement rate at all. So the Sisters of Silence are still very vulnerable to having their numbers decimated if used carelessly in open battle. In fact, with their abilities as bodyguards and psyker-shields being so valuable, a smart leader wouldn't allow them in open battle at all, except as part of a heavily-protected command retinue.

Fangschrecken
08-07-2017, 16:22
GW never really seems to get scale. It's like they want there to be fewer of things so it seems like the situation more dire, but they it doesn't make much sense. Same with the legions. Sure 18 legions of 100K+ could do a lot in the conquest of the galaxy, but then you have to consider the untold billions of imperial soldiers involved and the legionaries seem less critical. Of topic, I'd love to see a heresy book about some imperial army holding off the traitor legions. Sotha kind of had that but not really.