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Lord Damocles
31-03-2018, 13:57
Well... there isn't any.


Slightly hyperbolic, but basically true. It's not really any great surprise, but almost all of the background (and artwork) in the 8th ed. Codex: Necrons is copy-pasted from elsewhere. There are minor new additions, but nothing of any great significance in the grand scheme of things.


The galactic map shows the territories of the Arrynmarok and Sautekh as separate again, in contrast to the map from the rulebook. Presumably the rulebook map was an error then? - there's no indication that the Arrynmarok have become, or been, clients of the Sautekh anywhere else.

As a result of the background for the Deceiver and Nightbringer being in large part lifted straight from the 3rd ed. Codex, the C'tan turning upon one another at the conclusion of their war against the Old Ones is back in print in a current edition publication - further illustrating that the 3rd edition background wasn't [wholly] invalidated with the 5th edition Codex as many claim(ed).

Rogue Star
01-04-2018, 14:55
As a result of the background for the Deceiver and Nightbringer being in large part lifted straight from the 3rd ed. Codex, the C'tan turning upon one another at the conclusion of their war against the Old Ones is back in print in a current edition publication - further illustrating that the 3rd edition background wasn't [wholly] invalidated with the 5th edition Codex as many claim(ed).

Which shows how lazy it is.


The first of the C’tan to manifest openly, the Nightbringer brought with it the kiss of death that had plagued the Necrontyr race since their birth. Having fed on the sustaining but flavourless power of a star, the Nightbringer found the epicurean delights of the Necrontyr’s awe and fear much more to its liking. It slaughtered those who dared address it directly, feeding on the essence of their terror and suffering. Its appetite knew no bounds, and only with desperate pledges of servitude were the Necrontyr able to convince the creature that there were more races beyond their world that could be feasted upon – sentient beings beyond number for it to destroy.

Doesn't, in anyway, clash with what was established a few pages previously...


So it was that one of the C’tan came before the Silent King, acting as forerunner to the arrival of his brothers. Amongst its own kind, this C’tan was known as the Deceiver, for it was wilfully treacherous. Yet the Silent King knew not the C’tan’s true nature, and instead granted the creature an audience.

Lord Damocles
01-04-2018, 15:22
...what was established a few pages previously...
In turn lifted straight from the 5th edition Codex (pg.6).

Rogue Star
01-04-2018, 16:01
In turn lifted straight from the 5th edition Codex (pg.6).

Indeed, but I'm saying they've got to pick one or the other. Either the 3rd edition version, where the Nightbringer, borne of their own star, was the first, or the later version, where the Messenger/Deceiver came before the Necrontyr as a herald. Or at least update the text...

Contrast this with the Tau, which seem to get new lore in every edition: Third Sphere Expansion, Horizon Accelerator, Startide Nexus, etc.

Arnizipal
13-06-2018, 16:29
So is the current status that the C'Tan are in charge of the Necrons (like they originally were) or have the Necrons enslaved the C'Tan (as they were re-imagined later on)?

Lord Damocles
13-06-2018, 17:53
So is the current status that the C'Tan are in charge of the Necrons (like they originally were) or have the Necrons enslaved the C'Tan (as they were re-imagined later on)?
Both [probably]

The Necrons still have C'tan bound to their will (which is what the C'tan shards and Vault usable on the tabletop represent), but there remain some Necrons/Dynasties who revere the C'tan as gods - Turakhin in The World Engine*, for example, leaving open the possibility of C'tan controlled/led forces.


*Terrible book. Don't read it!

Arnizipal
14-06-2018, 09:20
Both [probably]

The Necrons still have C'tan bound to their will (which is what the C'tan shards and Vault usable on the tabletop represent), but there remain some Necrons/Dynasties who revere the C'tan as gods - Turakhin in The World Engine*, for example, leaving open the possibility of C'tan controlled/led forces.


*Terrible book. Don't read it!
That's... confusing :eyebrows:

Rogue Star
28-06-2018, 12:49
Worth adding the new Imperial Knights codex continues with the "Forgebane" events, and literally states pretty much every Forgeworld and Knight World has a Necron presence and is fighting against their return.

... go home GW, you're drunk. :rolleyes:

Lord Damocles
28-06-2018, 16:56
Worth adding the new Imperial Knights codex continues with the "Forgebane" events, and literally states pretty much every Forgeworld and Knight World has a Necron presence and is fighting against their return.
Which gets even sillier when you think that those worlds must all feature sizeable quantities of blackstone; and yet warp incursions are still a major problem for some reason?

One could almost get the impression that they're just making it up as they go along... :shifty:

Razios
28-07-2018, 18:12
Which gets even sillier when you think that those worlds must all feature sizeable quantities of blackstone; and yet warp incursions are still a major problem for some reason?

One could almost get the impression that they're just making it up as they go along... :shifty:

can you explain this?

and so far it seen the necron et shove since this ed focus more on chaos.....as always.

Lord Damocles
31-07-2018, 19:25
can you explain this?
According to Forgebane (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?423408-Background-from-Forgebane), Necron architecture (the black stuff at least) is made of noctilith, which has a nullifying effect upon the warp.
We also learn that most Forge- /Knight- worlds feature a Necron presence.

But if that's the case, warp storms/breaches/incursions should be - if not impossible - warded against on/around the worlds of the Mechanicus; but nothing we've ever seen before - and nothing which has been suggested by the formation of the Cicatrix Maledictum has suggested that this is happening. You'd think that the Mechanicus would have noticed if it was happening to their worlds with any regularity. If null rods are made of noctilith (which their description seems to support, you'd think that large quantities of it would have an easily noticeable effect on the surrounding area.


Possibly blackstone architecture requires 'focusing' somehow (and this was what the obelisk from Forgebane was doing before the capstone was removed*) and these focussing mechanisms have been frequently lost/damaged/turned off for some reason on most tomb worlds..?

*although this leads to a whole other set of questions along the lines of 'why the hell isn't this location defended?!'


It might have made sense to try to tie the warp-calming effects of blackstone to the original colonisation of the Mechanicus' worlds - ie. the warp is calmer around the planets during the Age of Strife, which is what allows the colonisation fleets to reach them safely in the first place. However this isn't alluded to at all as being the case, with it instead being claimed that they deliberately sought out resource-rich worlds.


Perhaps even more puzzling about blackstone is that it can be 'charged up' by sorcery (ie. the warp) to have a greater dampening effect to the extent that a single fragment of one of the shattered Cadian pylons is able to prevent ships dropping out of the warp across an entire system, as is the case in Watchers of the Throne: the Emperor's Legion. So it would appear that the Necrons weren't/aren't even making the best use of their own material/technology. (Notably, Inquisitor Quixos in Malleus was trying to activate his own knock-off pylon using alpha psykers...)

Rogue Star
03-08-2018, 08:32
What information GW have released very strongly implies the material must be charged or attuned or something to either boost or nullify the warp... which I don't mind, in fact if Abaddon had captured those specific sites or corrupted each of them during the various Black Crusades, that would explain the Cicatrix Maledictum as with Cadia, suddenly there was a spike as the blackstone was thrown into reverse, creating the Great Rift...


*although this leads to a whole other set of questions along the lines of 'why the hell isn't this location defended?!'

... however, why the Necrons went to sleep and left all their toys out hasn't ever been justified. You'd think all those planet destroying, star-detonating, dimension smashing technology would come in handy when they wake up to conquer the universe...

Lord Damocles
11-02-2019, 15:57
The galactic map shows the territories of the Arrynmarok and Sautekh as separate again, in contrast to the map from the rulebook. Presumably the rulebook map was an error then? - there's no indication that the Arrynmarok have become, or been, clients of the Sautekh anywhere else.
...and Codex: Genestealer Cults (pg.35) has merged the Sautekh and Arrynmarok territories again. Brillo!

Rogue Star
12-02-2019, 08:56
...and Codex: Genestealer Cults (pg.35) has merged the Sautekh and Arrynmarok territories again. Brillo!

I'm just going to assume that's the handicap of a 2D map trying to demonstrate a 3D space. The Arrynmarok territories are clearly either atop of beneath a section of the Sautekh.