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philbrad2
23-06-2005, 14:14
In today’s issue of the Forge World Newsletter you’ll be able to take a look at brand new Tallarn Desert Raiders, more Terminator shoulder pads, some completely new Dreadnought weapon arms and a re-release of two more models from our classic figurine range.
Hope you enjoy it.
Thx,

Dean Winson
Forge World.


Siege Dreadnought
First up, the Space Marines get two new weapons for their Dreadnoughts. The first is ideal for taking on Tyranids or other horde style armies – a Dreadnought mounted Inferno Gun! Sending huge gouts of flame arcing across the battlefield, this weapon will cause any general pause for thought. The second weapon is a more specialised piece of equipment – the Dreadnought Assault Drill. Designed to chew its way through rock and plascrete, the Assault Drill makes short work of steel armour too. I’d hate to think what it would do to flesh! It’s design is intended for use against bunkers and other emplacements, where it’s rotating drill would bore its way through the wall. Once the drill penetrates the defences the drill opens revealing a flamer nozzle, which when used in a confined space would be devastating to the defenders hidden inside. The new Dreadnought weapons are available for both the Mk IV and Mk V Dreadnoughts. Rules will be available on our website soon (after Warwick finishes the last tweaks to the Taros Campaign book).


Link:Click for further pictures
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/sdread.htm



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Decorated for Valour
Also for the Space Marines this issue, we have three new sets of Terminator Shoulder Pads to distinguish your elite troops. Having seen these start to appear in people’s armies around Head Office, these shoulder pads really do make Terminator Squads stand out as the ornate and sacred items that they represent. The first set of pads will enable Blood Angel players to decorate their forces, our second set are destined to adorn the shoulders of Salamander Marines and the third set are the much called for Dark Angel “Deathwing” pads. More shoulder pads will be released soon.


Link: Click for pictures
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/termsp2.htm

In Defence of The Emperor
Following on from his recent work on our new Tallarn Roughriders, Mark Bedford has recently finished a range of new heavy weapon teams to give essential supporting firepower to Tallarn regiments. All of the new Tallarn Heavy Weapon Squads include a veritable pile of accessories which can be used to personalise your models. Apart from the usual ammo pouches and water bottles, one of the most striking new parts made for the Tallarns are their “Tallarn Pattern” lasguns, laspistols and knives.


Link: Click for Pictures
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/tallhw.htm



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Re-forged and Renewed
Next we have the first of our re-releases for today; the large scale bust of a Hormagaunt forcing its way through a steel deck plate. Measuring in at 125mm/5 inches wide and 80mm/3.25 inches tall this single part model looks like being quite fun to paint with a tremendously savage face picked out in great detail. Add to that the taut muscles in the neck and the talon ripping into the floor it all adds up to make more of a diorama than just a bust. Sean Green’s Bretonnian Knight could hardly be more different. He stand tall and proud (or would if he wasn’t a bust 85mm/3.5 inches high), the epitome of chivalry. Ready to defend Nation and Maidens against those who would wish them harm. He also has a superb Moustache! These two models are only available in limited quantities and will only be available while stock lasts.


Link: Available here
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/LIMITED_RUN_ITEMS.html

Event Attendance
Don’t forget we are at the following shows soon: Conflict London – 10th July War and Peace – 19th-24th July Games Day Chicago – 30th July Should you want any models reserving for so that you can pick them up on the day, thereby making sure we have them with us, email us at Forgeworld@games-workshop.co.uk For more information, visit our events page.

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Shipping Offer
Just space for one final reminder. As of right now, when you place an order with Forge World of £250 or above, then you get COMPLETELY FREE shipping! What’s more, we will also upgrade your order to receive Express Delivery at no extra cost, a double-barrelled deal saving you AT LEAST £25!


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charlie_c67
23-06-2005, 14:18
Saw the Hormagaunt before from another thread. Looks very good! I want to know if they'll do generic pads for termis too though.

Capt. Buko
23-06-2005, 14:26
only problme that I have with this letter is that we cannot see the tallaran las gun!...from what i can see its kinda looking like a "sand people" weapon from star wars...i do like their work on the tallarans..too bad to the normal troops don't look that nice.

Lostanddamned
23-06-2005, 14:33
I'm Not a big fan of the Inferno Gun, it looks like it would snap if it was hit badly (not just the model version) but the rock drill seems like exactly the efficently brutal thing the space marines would have designed, if a chaos version is made I am going to be forced to make a khornate dreadnaught, because IMO its the sort of weapon that beserkers would love, i dreadnaught powerfist that shreads anything that it touches, absolutely brutal.

The angles of the photos for the tallarns arent much to make desicions on, but they do seem good, the naval pistol style laspistol is an interesting touch.

Gereth
23-06-2005, 14:40
I don't really see the point in new wapon arms for the dreadnoughts as the old ones were made obsolete by the new SM rulebook... Of course they're great models and stuff, but where I live I only get to play in tournaments so I won't be able to use those...

Of course that won't stop me from owning my own titan someday... :)

Cypher
23-06-2005, 14:49
A dread with an inferno cannon eh? Im liking the sound of that :evilgrin:

Grand_Marshal_Kazan
23-06-2005, 16:59
only problme that I have with this letter is that we cannot see the tallaran las gun!...from what i can see its kinda looking like a "sand people" weapon from star wars...i do like their work on the tallarans..too bad to the normal troops don't look that nice.


Visit http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/talllc.htm for a better view.

I do want the Dreadnought weapons :evilgrin: .

alterion
23-06-2005, 17:04
the seige gun is a development of a gundam wing weapon that would grab their enemy before flaming them to death and melting thier contol capsule.. in other words a cool weapon.. i want one..

Lord Setra
23-06-2005, 17:25
Hmm I like the dreadnought arms, the fist looks deadly.

Not to sure about the Tallarns, but ive never been a guard man.

x-esiv-4c
23-06-2005, 17:37
Oh yeah I love that lasgun, long-barrelled pattern there. Very star wards sandpeople!

Xyon
23-06-2005, 18:06
cool looking stuff, especially the dreadnaught drillarm. Although i dont know what the inferno cannon does, is it where you measure out a distance and then place the flamer template? and also step up on the flamer scale, like... s6 ap3?

Capt. Buko
23-06-2005, 18:28
Visit http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/talllc.htm for a better view.

I do want the Dreadnought weapons :evilgrin: .

thanks..i love the new lasgun!

Aslo that drill rocks..i would use it just as a ccw...the infermal cannon is kinda lame as it looks to much like the drop troops flamer.

Flame Boy
23-06-2005, 20:39
I think a Crimson Fist Dreadnaught could use an inferno cannon for torching loads of Orks, so it's in my good books, and the Churn 'n' Burn siege drill arm looks like a great addition. I would have thought it would be difficult to get anything more dangerous than a Dreadnaught power fist to tear through fortifications anyway... with the rotating servos and a power field, I though it would munch through bunkers pretty good anyway. It's almost like a Dreadnaught chainfist instead of a powerfist. Scary.

edit: Ooh, and that arm reminds me of the crusher arm in my old megadrive game, Cyborg Justice, so it gets bonus points in that regard...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/Tremadog/Cyborgj.gif

You'll see the guy at the bottom on the left sporting a similar weapon. The very fact that I could bolt a device that rekindles some childhood nostalgia onto my Dreadnaught is very satisfying...

just
23-06-2005, 21:58
The Tallarns in the last photo of this series (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/tallhw.htm) looks like they are thinking "WTF is that?". Love that look.

(Guess they must have seen one of their own rough riders.)

neXus6
23-06-2005, 22:28
Certainly looks nicer than the other forgeworld Dread CCW...stilly little chain blade thing.
That on the other hand is very tempting.

The Tallern look cool, but the price tag is crazy for a resin and plastic kit....isn't it, or am I just over reacting.

Xisor
23-06-2005, 22:31
The Tallarns in the last photo of this series (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/tallhw.htm) looks like they are thinking "WTF is that?". Love that look.

(Guess they must have seen one of their own rough riders.)

Most likely saw a Carinfex being charged by a squadron of Tallarn roughriders and I believe the caption could also ride "How did they do that?"

Xisor

Ruskins
23-06-2005, 23:53
Most likely saw a Carinfex being charged by a squadron of Tallarn roughriders and I believe the caption could also ride "How did they do that?"

Xisor

Ive done that in a game, its not a good idea if you only have 5 of them.

oh dear god im going to be broke! Lovin the tallarns, thats 60 quid right there, a lascannon squad and a heavy bolter squad.

Im a little disapointed in the deathwing pads though, they dont have any feathers or other plains people accessories on them, next to the salemanders ones they look decidedly plain. Ill still buy them tho.

Puffin Magician
24-06-2005, 00:25
I don't really see the point in new wapon arms for the dreadnoughts as the old ones were made obsolete by the new SM rulebook...
They aren't obselete in Imperial Armour Volume Two, where the other Dreadnought arms have their rules. That's the beauty of Forgeworld; they make the models and then the rules to accompany them [rather than the occassional GW unit or character in a Codex that doesn't yet have a model]. It's too bad that you only play in Tournaments, because there you don't get a chance to field any of these fun gadgets.

I personally like the look of the Inferno Cannon [snapping off? the barrel is just as large as an Autocannon], and fits perfectly with a Siege warfare role.


Although i dont know what the inferno cannon does, is it where you measure out a distance and then place the flamer template? and also step up on the flamer scale, like... s6 ap3?
Yes, you measure 24" from the cannon and place the Flamer template. And no, a stat increase is not needed. You've just been given a weapon for a Dreadnought that previously was only found filling an entire Chimera. And it's already s6 Pinning. Be happy with this!

The Drill arm looks very capable of doing what Forgeworld boasts. Bulky shoulder joint makes the whole section look solid and well armoured; where the long reach of the Drill column ensures grinding through the thickest of walls and smashing away at infantry.

Tallarns? They're nice pieces of kit alright, excellent levels of detail [like the Aquila on a water jug], but I've always found them less interesting than vehicle models. I wonder if FW will ever make Adeptus Mechanicus models & army lists [then they'd have my soul for sure :(]?

Sephiroth
24-06-2005, 00:28
edit: Ooh, and that arm reminds me of the crusher arm in my old megadrive game, Cyborg Justice, so it gets bonus points in that regard...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/Tremadog/Cyborgj.gif

*Has flashbacks to a childhood of playing a renegade cyborg ripping off the bits of other cyborgs to attach to himself, while hammering away on a Megadrive control-pad.* :eek:

Now I feel old... ;)

inquisitorautry
24-06-2005, 01:59
Like the new Dread stuff. Just wish they'd get off their butts and make the IH termie shoulder pads.

Jericho
24-06-2005, 05:19
Wow, this is gonna be an expensive summer. Wood Elves army box, bunch of forest bases from Micro Art Studio (http://www.microartstudio.com) to go along with, and now 7 sets of Deathwing shoulder pads. I was kinda hoping they would take longer so my bank account could take a couple weeks to recover... but it looks like everything's going to hit all at once :D

The bitz, shoulder pads and bases for my Deathwing army will outprice the Terminators themselves if I pick up bases from Micro Arts. Scary huh?

invivos
24-06-2005, 08:47
Rah, I don´t like the look of the siege weapons. The Inferno cannon just doesn´t look impressive at all, it´s just a bigger version of the Elysian flamer... :rolleyes: I would have preferred a kind of bombard battlecannon taking up most of the chassis and replacing most of the arm with a big ammo feed on the back showing the shells. That would have been cool! :evilgrin:

Xyon
24-06-2005, 09:23
Yes, you measure 24" from the cannon and place the Flamer template. And no, a stat increase is not needed. You've just been given a weapon for a Dreadnought that previously was only found filling an entire Chimera. And it's already s6 Pinning. Be happy with this!




ah so s6 ap4 then? because i was asking, really. Its still pretty darn cool, mwuahaha Space Marines have harnessed the power of a dwarf flamecannon, and attached it to a dreadnaught.

I too agree that it is all too sad that GW doesnt allow for this stuff to be used in tournaments. Allow some but not all, though, as I wouldent want to see one of those mega-greater-daemons of khorn on the battlefield... scary.

Jedi152
24-06-2005, 10:06
*Sigh*

Yet again FW churn out SM stuff. Now they have redesigned all the old weapons they are just making up new ones. I used to look forward to the FW newsletter, now, like everything else GW, it's just become a SM catalogue.

I've about had it with FW.

The news they won't be doing normal Tallarn squads, presumably so they can churn out more dreadnought arms and shoulder pads, is the final straw.

charlie_c67
24-06-2005, 10:13
Or perhaps it could be that GW are still producing Tallarns so FW aren't gonna step on there toes. It did say why they weren't doing them in the reply if you've seen it. http://www.portent.net/forums/showpost.php?p=82863&postcount=1

As for FW producing more SM stuff. Oh no! Two more arms! How about counting the number of things IG already have? If anyone has ground for complaint it's the orks, necrons and eldar.

Jedi152
24-06-2005, 10:24
I've read the reply. It says that FW aren't doing them because GW might do them sometime in the future.

They way GW see it, they have a perfectly serviceble (sp?) plastic IG kit and metal Tallarns already. They won't be doing a new plastic kit in the next few years at least, and i'd guess at 'never'.

The FW SM stuff is just poor & lazy. They must have every single variation of dreadnought ever used in the universe ever out, then they just start making up more! I'm surprised they're bothering. Surely all the kiddies who play SM (GW's target audience) can't afford FW? And i don't like them cos i hate SM! :D

charlie_c67
24-06-2005, 10:34
Yeah so the model support is there and the ones that are out are perfectly good models. FW has always stated they were filling in the gaps in the metal range.

As for the Sm stuff being poor and lazy, are we looking at the same stuff? :wtf: All looks good to me. Just cos you don't like them for whatever reason doesn't mean FW shouldn't do SM stuff. Specially when IG have got a very wide range from FW already. SM's are just catching up.

Nurglitch_PS
24-06-2005, 10:59
Surely all the kiddies who play SM (GW's target audience) can't afford FW? And i don't like them cos i hate SM! :D

I play IG, but the drill really does it for me. I'm actually considering buying the Dread with this drill and inferno cannon just to paint it and put it on the shelf.

Anvils Hammer
24-06-2005, 11:01
i love the new shoulder pads, pity i dont play marines and never will,

i also love the inferno cannon, the drill is also rather cool. the drill/plasma cannon combo would look mean.

the new tallarns are great but i dont really like the new lasguns, i like the idea of a rifle grip but they are to "long-las" ish.
they would make nice sniper rifles for normal guard armys though

Ruskins
24-06-2005, 11:20
Yeah FW are just churning out SM bits, oh hang on, they have recently released Elysians, lots of them, they are in the middle of releasing a range of tallarn kits, tau stuff, and ogre kingdoms stuff.

those bastards!

Jedi152
24-06-2005, 11:52
Yeah FW are just churning out SM bits, oh hang on, they have recently released Elysians, lots of them, they are in the middle of releasing a range of tallarn kits, tau stuff, and ogre kingdoms stuff.

those bastards!
Nope, tallarn kits are finished, haven't seen any tau stuff for at least 3-4 months, and ogre kingdoms have had 2 things. Elysians are the biggest range they've released for ages. I'll give you that.

SM stuff is every month without fail. New arms, pads, rhino and LR doors.

charlie_c67
24-06-2005, 11:56
No tau stuff? What are the battle suits then? And when were they released? A few weeks ago. They have IG stuff more often than not, certainly more often than not. And woo a few doors or pads. So SM heavy aren't they? :rolleyes:

Nurglitch_PS
24-06-2005, 12:01
Nope, tallarn kits are finished,

Which apparently renders their release now irrelevant or makes them another toy for Space Marines.



haven't seen any tau stuff for at least 3-4 months,


You must be living in some strange timezone. Newsletter informing about the release of Shas’o R’myr and new Tiger Shark is dated 5/5/2005.



and ogre kingdoms have had 2 things.


And very small ones, barely bigger than a dreadnought. Irrelevant again.



Elysians are the biggest range they've released for ages. I'll give you that.


How kind.



SM stuff is every month without fail. New arms, pads, rhino and LR doors.

Yes, of course. And if you look into these sections:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_IMPERIAL_NAVY_45.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_IMPERIAL_GUARD_23.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_ELDAR_22.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_TAU_15.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_ORKS_21.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_ACCESSORIES_19 .html

You see that absolutely nothing is done for other races. One needs only a healthy dose of absolute contempt for the facts to see clearly that Space Marines are the only army supported by FW.

Jedi152
24-06-2005, 12:02
So SM heavy aren't they? :rolleyes:
Yes, like the rest of GW.


You see that absolutely nothing is done for other races. One needs only a healthy dose of absolute contempt for the facts to see clearly that Space Marines are the only army supported by FW.
I'm not saying other armies arent supported. I'm saying that space marines are the only force that has constant releases every month. AFAIC dreadnoughts have been done to death. We've had loyal ones, traitor ones, every chapter-under-the-sun variant ones, pre-heresy ones. I just about thought they'd done and then *BAM* they invent siege ones! I wonder how long before GW invent new chapters so the SM releases can continue?

I'll not hide the fact that i strongly dislike space marines, and therefore any argument i make will be biased against them. They are the reason i stopped playing 40k.

And that i'm upset with FW today because i've been waiting for Tallarns for ages, and now they've decided not to do them! :mad:

charlie_c67
24-06-2005, 13:15
Yes, like the rest of GW.

I'm not talking about stuff being released, i'm talking about the contents of the newsletters. Tau battle suits were about 6 months ago, apart from the Shas'o R'myr.

Ok, lets compare shall we.
Under the heading Space Marines FW have 3 entries under aircraft, 25 entries under dreadnoughts (obviously a favourite line), 9 under support vehicles, 17 under tanks, 42 under vehicle accessaries of which 6 (rhino extras) can be used by non-SM armies so that's 36, and 6 under infantry extras. Grand total 96.

Under Imperial Guard, 14 under Tallarn (with more to come no doubt), 34 under elysian (with more to come), 6 under super heavys, 41 under tanks, 10 under support, 9 under crew, 10 under emplacements and 26 under accessaries. Grand Total 150.

Half as many again. Like I said, soooo Sm heavy :rolleyes:

And FW never said they'd re-do Tallarns, they've always said they'd fill in gaps. It's another case of Special edition rulebook syndrome again.

Nurglitch_PS
24-06-2005, 13:18
I'm not saying other armies arent supported. I'm saying that space marines are the only force that has constant releases every month.

So? Imperial Guard has seen consistent releases for years and it has the biggest presence on the FW site from all the races it stocks. Why aren't you beating IG with a stick?

FW has had the Falcon for years, being the only source of this tank for the Eldar players, it has superheavies for almost all the races, details, turrets, minefields, tank commanders - for just about everything, yet they are still "teh evil"? Dude, control this SM hatred, it is eating you :)

Jedi152
24-06-2005, 13:20
Ok, lets compare shall we.
Under the heading Space Marines FW have 3 entries under aircraft, 25 entries under dreadnoughts (obviously a favourite line), 9 under support vehicles, 17 under tanks, 42 under vehicle accessaries of which 6 (rhino extras) can be used by non-SM armies so that's 36, and 6 under infantry extras. Grand total 96.

Under Imperial Guard, 14 under Tallarn (with more to come no doubt), 34 under elysian (with more to come), 6 under super heavys, 41 under tanks, 10 under support, 9 under crew, 10 under emplacements and 26 under accessaries. Grand Total 150.

Half as many again. Like I said, soooo Sm heavy :rolleyes:

And FW never said they'd re-do Tallarns, they've always said they'd fill in gaps. It's another case of Special edition rulebook syndrome again.
I'll not just repeat what i said above ... actually i will. I'm not moaning that other armies aren't catered for, i'm moaning that SM have constant releases every month.

As i also stated, i hate marines!


Why aren't you beating IG with a stick?
Because i like guard! :p

charlie_c67
24-06-2005, 13:34
No I know, you edited your post while I was counting! Who know's perhaps after they've done a few more dread arms they'll move onto sentinal extras, they're already producing more Tau Battle suits. After all, the releases are just piddle-assed things, kinda like after thoughts. I'm sure we'll start seeing more Nid extras at some point, the new minis offer an excellent basis for FW to start with.

What's your strong hatred towards SM's stem from?

Jedi152
24-06-2005, 13:44
What's your strong hatred towards SM's stem from?
I just don't like they way it seems to be SM vs the world. Everyone has an army.

If you go fluff wise then IG armies should outnumber SM by miles, but it isn't the case. And i'm fed up of GW pumping every available resource into churning out hundreds of chapter codex's to increase it's stranglehold on the kiddies.

Isn't GW's new codex release scheme been confirmed as SM, non SM, SM etc?

Oh well, maybe i should just chill! :)

charlie_c67
24-06-2005, 15:39
Well IMHO I think us vets have summink to do with that. People moan and complain that there's too many kids playing SM's without trying to convert kids to see the benefits of other races. When was the last time you talked to a new starter about IG and how much more firepower they can stump up? It's almost like some people think that talking to kids is below them. GW's a company and if the demands there for SM's then they're gonna cater for them more.

Flame Boy
24-06-2005, 17:00
No I know, you edited your post while I was counting! Who know's perhaps after they've done a few more dread arms they'll move onto sentinal extras, they're already producing more Tau Battle suits.



Well, there are the Sentinel Powerlifter for super-forklift-attacks on the enemy, and the excellent Fire-Support Sentinels, oh, and I almost forgot the Elysian-pattern Sentinel, I don't know how I could forget a Sentinel Packing a Multi-Melta, but I almost did!

I think the main problem is that you get chapter-specific doors and pads for marines, but Imperial Guard do not really have strong iconography to distingush them. I wouldn't expect to see a huge "Mordian 8th Regiment" logo stuck to the side of a tank in the same way that a marine vehicle will have their chapter heraldry emblazoned on their vehicle.

Karloth Valois
25-06-2005, 01:01
Hooray, because Space Marines really need more stuff compared to other armies. :rolleyes:

just
25-06-2005, 02:36
In the case of FWs high quality and high priced additional and optional accesories, I would say a big whoppe-e-de-di-da to who gets what.

Ubik_Lives
25-06-2005, 06:54
I'll not just repeat what i said above ... actually i will. I'm not moaning that other armies aren't catered for, i'm moaning that SM have constant releases every month.


Well I only have to flick back to FW Mag 116 to find a non marine newsletter. I was going to call it at 120, but I gave the space marine bust re-release to you just for fun.

Flicking back a couple more, 115 had the re-release of the 150mm space marine model, 114 to 108 didn't have any space marines in it, and I don't have any past there.

They have had a bunch of stuff of recent, but flicking back a month or two and your statement doesn't really hold true. A lot of the marine stuff is iconography anyway. I'd much prefer to have to wait to get a new model with different rules than have land raider doors, rhino doors, and terminator pads for my chapter.

Tom
25-06-2005, 22:48
Hooray, because Space Marines really need more stuff compared to other armies. :rolleyes:


Jump that bandwagon and I'll kill something. If there's one thing which gets my goat here it's how some people use it as a platform for a simple anti-marine WHINGE. STOP IT, GROW UP.

Thanks.

just
26-06-2005, 00:12
Exactly.

FFS, its Forgeworld. The high quality (bar the occasional flash accident) aside, its not really something that average gamers need or should depend on.

Its not like we are going to see whole armies made up by FW Ellysians or FW Tallarns, are we? So what else could the Imperial Guard get from FW. Various turretmounted weapons for their Leman Russ, Chimeras and Basilisk tanks. Og wait, they got them. Hatches for their vehicles? The Imperial Guard really isn't into the iconographic representation that the Rhino using armies are, so would look weird. Extra weapons options for their walkers? Got them.

Eldar? Same, although I am sure that the warwalkers and warithlord could benefit from some nice optional weaponery. Iconographic baed hatches could work for the craftworlds, but it would look odd on their sleek and futuristic vehicles. Same goes for Tau. Orks? Anything goes there, so why would you complain that you can't slap on a £10 piece of resin sculpted to look boxy and amatuerish when you could accomplish the same thing with a £1 piece of plasticard, or a free piece of cardboard. But feel free to complain about that one though. Tyranids? Well, I guess that some extra tentacles could be accomplished in a high quality way.

The Black Aquila
26-06-2005, 04:40
Its not like we are going to see whole armies made up by FW Ellysians or FW Tallarns, are we?

Unless you are a complete and utter mad man like me and just love the Elysian models so much like me you just want one... :D Putting that aside, i'd have to agree, if you removed all of the accessories they wouldn't have all that much stuff at all. It's just due to how heavy the marines are on Iconography that they get such things as the Landraider doors etc.

Jonathan =I=
26-06-2005, 05:03
I too agree that it is all too sad that GW doesnt allow for this stuff to be used in tournaments. Allow some but not all, though, as I wouldent want to see one of those mega-greater-daemons of khorn on the battlefield... scary.
Its allowed in RT tournaments in Australia :D

"must resist urge to create a Salimanders army with 6 inferno cannon dreads"

Malakai
26-06-2005, 05:32
I was really interested in seeing the new Death Wing shoulder pads, but was abit dissapointed that it looks like they won't sculpt some alternative breast plates for them sort of like the old metal ones. The shoulder pads for them does look abit plain compared to the salamanders as one poster pointed out. That being said I never really cared for all of the feathers and stuff. Still I suppose it's better than nothing. If GW produces some chapter specific termie pads it will be nice to mix them up with the FW ones, especially if you have more than one squad or an all DW force.


Malakai

self biased
26-06-2005, 06:37
They aren't obselete in Imperial Armour Volume Two, where the other Dreadnought arms have their rules. That's the beauty of Forgeworld; they make the models and then the rules to accompany them [rather than the occassional GW unit or character in a Codex that doesn't yet have a model]. It's too bad that you only play in Tournaments, because there you don't get a chance to field any of these fun gadgets.


i too agree that it is all too sad that GW doesnt allow for this stuff to be used in tournaments. Allow some but not all, though, as I wouldent want to see one of those mega-greater-daemons of khorn on the battlefield... scary.

pardon my ignorance, but i thought the rule was no fliers, and no superheavies in tournaments?

Jonathan =I=
26-06-2005, 08:17
It is here but many people think it applies to all forge world stuff.

The Black Aquila
26-06-2005, 15:26
pardon my ignorance, but i thought the rule was no fliers, and no superheavies in tournaments?

I am unsure what Forgeworld rules are allowed, I just as a general rule of thumb stick to not using Forgeworld rules in Tournaments but against friends. As for Superheavies, I doubt in any GW Tournament you would see a Superheavy vehicle, as you need to have 2000+ pts to use them and then they must be in their own force organisation chart with 1-3 allowed per a chart.

Karloth Valois
27-06-2005, 21:50
Jump that bandwagon and I'll kill something. If there's one thing which gets my goat here it's how some people use it as a platform for a simple anti-marine WHINGE. STOP IT, GROW UP.

Thanks.

Lol. Really, there is a little more to it than that. The way GW pushes marines so hard down peoples necks is at the end of the day a bad thing for the hobby in a lot of peoples opinions.

I'm a marine player myself so don't go jumping on any anti-anti-marine bandwagons or i'll kill something. Really I (and most other people that don't exclusively play marines) just feel it would be nice if some of the other (non cash cow) armies would recieve a little attention. Not only is a Marine codex roughtly released for every non-marine codex but some armies such as Eldar lack even basic models (Waveserpents anyone?)

Forge world obviously produce specialist products to fill gaps in the GW range, ones that probably wouldn't be proffitable if GW were to make them and sell them in normal stores. Personally I feel they should spend a little more time producing Minatures for non-marine armies instead of the 345th arm for SM Dreadnaughts, Necrons only have a single FW product for them for chirst's sake.

Yes obviously we all know Marines appeal to a younger audience (how many people's first army isn't a Marine one?) and having a nice marine range encourages people to start the hobby and yes everyone knows 60% of GW sales is from Space Marines but one day they'll realise how stuipid it is to have such big gaps in the ranges of some armies and yet they're redoing many perfectly good SM products that would have lasted years longer and been fine.

The anti-marine bandwagon your talking about exists because a lot of people do get peeved by the way GW peddles Space Marines so hard because it makes the most money off of them. For a lot of people its just another sign of the way the hobby is going. I realise nothing is going to change suddenly in GW, they are a company and they're there to make money but i'm just trying to make you realise some people are annoyed by the fact half of everyone is playing the same army and some other parts of the GW range desperately need attention.

Really, if you don't play any other army try and see it from the point of view of all the players who actually decide to play something other than marines, if you remember there ARE other people in the world except yourself.

In short if you GREW UP a little yourself you'd realise why a lot of people get annoyed by the 10,000th Marine release when there are plenty of basic units that need replacing or even need a first release for other armies.

Shalamar
27-06-2005, 23:03
I find that FW pushes Space Marine stuff LESS than the rest that they produce. The only reason SM has a large presence at all, is the sheer number of chapters that they do the iconography for. This also makes Space Marine Forgeworld products cheaper on the whole. Doors and shoulderpads are not that expensive. Dreadnaughts, while more expensive than the plastic kits, are arguably beautiful, and still affordable.

I myself have become addicted to Forgeworld.

My Tau sports a GORGEOUS new Battlesuit, *4* Tetras and a handful of minor accessories.

My Thousand Sons Sport a very nice looking Dreadnaught (With swappable arms!) and a Pre-heresy Landraider with 1ksons doors, and chaos land raider tracks. It always draws people to the table when I pull THAT sucker out.

I even have a Ramiles Space Station for BFG.

And I want more. I hear rumors of Legion specific Defilers. All my Crisis suits are going to be replaced with the Forgeworld ones. I plan to use teeny tiny magnets to allow the swapping of weapons on the suits. I may even get a couple piranahs. I'm even eyeing some of the flyers.

Screw GW. FW all the way for me!

Jonathan =I=
28-06-2005, 00:38
Screw GW. FW all the way for me!
FW=GW

GW=FW :p

Shalamar
28-06-2005, 00:47
Well. Yes. I know. I just like FW better. My little bit of denial. The FW models are so much nicer.

Nurglitch_PS
28-06-2005, 07:09
Personally I feel they should spend a little more time producing Minatures for non-marine armies instead of the 345th arm for SM Dreadnaughts,

They have. It has been proven here that the SM ae a distinct minority in the FW range. What do the Tau, IG, Ork or Eldar players have to be unhappy about?



Really, if you don't play any other army try and see it from the point of view of all the players who actually decide to play something other than marines,

I play IG. FW is fantasic, tremendous - I'm out of compliments really. Can you just count the superheavies on the FW page (of which SM have 0, zero models!)? Sorry, but this wine-whinge-complain mania may be in some way justified when it comes to GW. But not FW!

Shalamar
28-06-2005, 15:22
I have the feeling that the Forgeworld guys concentrate less on making what they think will 'sell well', and more on 'Wouldn't that be cool?'

Since thier models are so much more expensive, and you can pretty much only buy directly from them, they have all the power. And they love to make cool stuff. Awesome tanks, great fliers, insanely detailed doors, and a wide variety of army options for several of the armies. They are a luxury market within a luxury game. And I love having my armies stand out a little bit with the addition of Forgeworld.

philbrad2
28-06-2005, 16:07
I have the feeling that the Forgeworld guys concentrate less on making what they think will 'sell well', and more on 'Wouldn't that be cool?'

FW still have to make money, so a degree of tie in the GW's releases is only natural. So the SM's get shoulderpads, doors, dread weapons, cup holders, lunchboxes - so what. They are for the most part variations on a theme, as noted if there weren't so many chapters there would be less models. SM's are after all GW's 'bread and butter' army and more 40k players (new or not) buy them. Its fact of life, deal with it because it ain't gonna change.

As to making what is cool, FW do. But they can't keep up forever a stream of 'cool' models . Look at the city defense walls they are huge and VERY expensive if FW knocked out such terrain month in-month out who is going to buy it? Tony Cotterell has joked about a 40K scale Tau Manta, sure it would look uber cool but how many would they sell? Honestly something like that would surely cost £750+ for a model that doesn't fly! Someone somewhere would buy it thats sure but in sufficient numbers to turn a decent profit?

C'mon guys reality check, FW have sales targets to meet so they produce stuff that is good quality and will sell. We dont need to buy it but we do. These 'bread and butter' sales then allow FW to come up with the cool models - Baneblade, Revanant Titan, Thunderhawk, Warhound, Heirophant. Lets look at this with a degree of realism here. FW need to make money, they can't sit in their hideyholes all day producing things like Titans that will in real terms, not sell that many units. Be thankful in the world of GW as its churning along currently, FW even exists - hands up who can remember when we had to convert or scratchbuild stuff FW now produce. Just remeber that when your attaching your nice UM shoulderpads to your new UM Termis :evilgrin:

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