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lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:18
I'm hoping a 'blog will propel me towards getting these finished- I've been taking my time with them.

Back when I first got my Hirst Arts molds (5-6 years ago!), I dutifully set about making a bunch of plaster bricks. It took hours, and made me resolve that when I wanted to return to this, I would just use plastic. Since then, I've had more experience with making molds, and my intention is to make "masters" from my original, purchased molds, and use those to make my OWN molds for actual brick-making. Then I can use the masters to re-create molds as needed.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. In the meantime, I had a bunch of these plaster bricks lying around, and I sort of found myself putting them together into building ruins slowly but surely. These are the results.

Building 1 - "Church"

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album114/ExtOblique.jpg

This building has been half assembled for a couple years. It is the beginning of a Hirst Arts design (the one which came with a mold). I never finished it, in fact I pulled bricks off of it to make some of the other pieces. But I really like the three-window end, and I am sentimental and wanted to see it get completed to some degree.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album114/IntOblique.jpg

I used some Plastruct patterned plastic sheets for floors and other things. It's hard to see in either of these pictures but the white areas on the floor are "tiled". Cut ragged to help them feel more like ruins.

I don't know what to do with the other ares of the base yet. I need to bulk out the rubble piles- more on that below- but the pavement/sidewalk and destroyed areas- I'm not sure what to do with them. I'm thinking maybe texture paint or something.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album114/Detail1.jpg

A shot with some Marines for scale. There's a lot of headroom, and I want to maybe find something to add some visual interest on the interior, up above the two smaller windows. I also need to get some of those wooden coffee stirrers to make "beams" to support the roof. The roof is more of that Plastruct sheeting- the shingled type.

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:19
Building 2 - Cathedral

This is sort of the centerpiece feature- it's big. The base is 12" x 12".

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/ExtOblique.jpg

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/IntOblique.jpg

This was actually the first piece I built (typical, I started with something that was a bit of a stretch). I lumped in all the features I wanted to see- a rose window, flying buttresses, and two levels.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/Detail4.jpg

The second level is made of plaster "tiles" generated by the Hirst Arts molds, and are glued together not only on the sides, but also with several layers of white glue underneath. The floor is rock solid- while it's only holding up plastic marines in these pictures, it will hold up old-school War Walkers and Wraithlords as well. It's sized to hold up to 40mm bases.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/Detail2.jpg

As befits a larger terrain piece, it has larger rubble piles for infantry to hide among. I tried to lay them out pretty carefully so as to allow plenty of room for 40mm bases, too.

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:20
Building 2 - "Cathedral" (con't)

The next major step I need to undertake across these terrain pieces is adding smaller bits of rubble to the piles so they aren't made entirely of whole bricks! Fortunately I thought ahead and saved chippings from the edges of the walls I roughed up:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/Detail1.jpg

This effect is probably going to be much harder to recreate with the plastic bricks. With the plaster it was just a matter of chipping away.

Anyway, I don't think it will be enough to bulk out the rubble piles on its own. I'll need to get some sand or kitty litter or something to help.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/Detail3.jpg

I like the Rose Window, it's a fun place to station a heavy weapon. I wish I had more than one size of "big round window".

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/ExtDetail.sized.jpg

The alcoves will eventually hold skeleton statues. I've already converted up a couple skeleton spearmen minis.

The above is, incidentally, one of my favorite photos from this batch.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album115/ExtOblique_figures1.jpg

The front again, with minis in the doorways for scale. I blew it and forgot to take into account the fraction of an inch the "base" bricks subtracted from the width of the doorways, so minis cannot actually pass through them! But the larger doorway will comfortably allow a Forge World Venerable Dreadnaught through.

There are more pics of this piece here (http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album115&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php).

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:21
Building 3- "Chapel"

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/Chapel/ExtOblique.jpg

This piece I kind of threw together out of the leftovers. I figured I could get a decent piece with plenty of windows out of what I had left.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/Chapel/IntOblique.jpg

I also wanted to use the very gothic pillars, so that kind of necessitated a second level.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/Chapel/TopDown.jpg

I made it a little more irregular than the "Cathedral"'s balcony. Again, it's rock-solid, although it was trickier to get together.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/Chapel/Detail1.jpg

Having learned from building the "Cathedral", I supported the floor with slightly more attractive braces in the "Chapel".

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:22
Building 3 - "Chapel" (con't)

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/Chapel/Detail2.jpg

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/Chapel/Detail3.jpg

I think it's a pretty attractive location for a fireteam. Good cover from fire and assault.

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:23
Building 4 - Fieldstone building

I have one "fieldstone" mold. The parts aren't particularly compatible with the other Hirst Arts molds I have. I mean, they're the same dimensions, but they don't really go together. I'm not even sure it makes sense for them to be in the same Imperial city. But, I had the bricks made, so I threw this together:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album116/ExtOlbique1.jpg

I'm going to keep it light on the "40K" imagery, when I get more buildings together that go with the other bricks I'll stop using this, probably. Maybe split it out to a second "feudal world" table or something.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album116/Detail2.jpg

The real bleep of it is, to properly "ruinize" this building I'll have to get other materials completely. Eventually I'll go to a pet store and get some aquarium rock or something.

That two-tone effect on the interior floor is no trick of the light- more Plastruct sheeting, this time with a cobblestone pattern. Very bucolic.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album116/Detail1.jpg

Infantry can actually pass through this doorway!

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 02:24
Other Stuff

Out of some of the stray pieces I built some other stuff, too:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album117/Detail.jpg

First, the pedestal of a monument. The four alcoves will hold Space Marine Statues (whenever my friend gets around to giving me those 2nd edition Marine minis he promised me). The statue on top needs to be something really grandiose... I really think it should be The Emperor, but have no idea how to pull that off without spending way more money on it than I should.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album118/Walls.jpg

Finally, a couple of wall segments to use up the last of the fieldstone bricks.

So, there you have it. As soon as I figure out how I should handle the bulk of the basing, I'll get it done so I can prime and begin painting these bad boys.

Thoughts, comments, suggestions all welcome!

The Iron Duke
11-12-2006, 03:04
Lovely stuff here. I particularly like the Cathedral. Will you put some pews or an altar on the interior? Might add a nice touch.

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 03:25
Lovely stuff here.

Thanks!


I particularly like the Cathedral. Will you put some pews or an altar on the interior? Might add a nice touch.

I had thought about it. I won't make them permanent, that's for sure- too many people I play with would view the ground floor as a good position for a tank or a Defiler or something. But what might work is putting them on their own bases. Something to consider for the far future, for sure.

bugbait_nz
11-12-2006, 04:13
Looking good, like the cathedral and the monument, have you ever thought about having raised floors in the buildings, IMHO it would look better and you could add explosive craters.

Bugbait out

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 04:42
Looking good, like the cathedral and the monument,

Thank you very much, those are my favorite pieces really. The monument pedastal wasn't really made from leftovers, I built it while I was building the Cathedral.


have you ever thought about having raised floors in the buildings, IMHO it would look better and you could add explosive craters.

At first I thought about using those tile pieces (that I used to make the second levels) to make floors, but then I realized I didn't have nearly enough. It would be pretty swank, I have to admit. Especially because some of the tiles are patterned... Maybe in future buildings.

I was thinking about trying to make craters for the ruined floors here... I've done similar with sand/pva mixtures before. Patience and layers of buildup, basically.

athamas
11-12-2006, 05:12
which moulds did you get?

im tempted to get a few for just this reason...


looks great...

Quin 242
11-12-2006, 05:19
Very nice stuff. I'd be happy to have those on my board :)

Have you considered adding pigment to your plaster next time? if you make the bricks grey or tan to start with then chipping doesn't show as much... And all you have to do is run a large drybrush over it to make it look good.

just an Idea since it sounds like you are not done :)

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 05:27
Very nice stuff. I'd be happy to have those on my board :)

Thanks!


Have you considered adding pigment to your plaster next time? ...
just an Idea since it sounds like you are not done :)

Oh yes, these are far from done. Once I sort out the bases- getting them properly textured, etc- I will be priming the whole things in black, and painting them up from there.

Athamas - The molds I have are:

Wizard's Tower Mold #50
Gothic Church Mold #54 (<-- This is the one that the "Church" was built from)
Bell Tower Mold #55
Tomb Mold #56
Fieldstone Wall Mold #70

That's it!

liamrob
11-12-2006, 11:00
lorbaat where did u get the molds from there excellent!

Keep up the good work and you'll have a big table done in no time. I'm working with foamboard and styrofoam i think for my first board. Short on money.

Peace

sheep
11-12-2006, 11:30
They look very good mate, the only problem i see with the hirsts arts stuff is the weight of all that plaster.

keep up the good work.

Cheers

Sheep

lorbaat
11-12-2006, 14:04
lorbaat where did u get the molds from there excellent!

As I mentioned, the molds are from Hirst Arts (http://www.hirstarts.com). The specific numbers are listed above.

Sheep: The weight of the plaster isn't too bad, really- the pieces aren't terribly heavy, although they won't go skidding across the table if they're bumped (which is nice).

Voronwe[MQ]
11-12-2006, 14:14
The cathedral is purely great, and the monument... GW copy that and use it in artwork, descriptions in literature and CoD buildings!

Voronwe

Zodiac
11-12-2006, 15:20
Wow, stunning cathedral! I would love to have that at home.. Really nice..
When its painted up I am sure it will look even more astonishing..
Ace work man! Love it!

Quin 242
12-12-2006, 03:03
Oh yes, these are far from done. Once I sort out the bases- getting them properly textured, etc- I will be priming the whole things in black, and painting them up from there.

I don't think you quite understood...
For future buildings.. instead of just painting the outsides... if you mix color into the Plaster WHILE MIXING then any chips and dings will be indistiguishable as the blocks will be solid colored all the way through.
While the plaster is stil liquid I mean. Drop a few drops of whatever color you want your stone and mix well. then when you pour it... Viola.. pre-colored blocks that you only have to wash and dry brush. :)

Alsiaie
12-12-2006, 03:08
Wow those look great. I'm a huge fan of Hirst Arts molds. Have some myself as does a friend of mine. Great high quality material!

lorbaat
12-12-2006, 04:41
I don't think you quite understood...
For future buildings.. instead of just painting the outsides... if you mix color into the Plaster WHILE MIXING then any chips and dings will be indistiguishable as the blocks will be solid colored all the way through.
While the plaster is stil liquid I mean. Drop a few drops of whatever color you want your stone and mix well. then when you pour it... Viola.. pre-colored blocks that you only have to wash and dry brush. :)

You're right, when I read it last night I didn't get it- I re-read it this afternoon and it sank in though!

I will be doing future projects in plastic rather than plaster, but it would still be nice for making paint chips less visible. I'l have to see about tinting the plastic.

lorbaat
30-12-2006, 17:07
Fnially, a small update. It's almost like I'm working on them!

I settled on buying some texture paint to finishing basing the buildings.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album119/pavement.jpg

I use Vallejo paints, and these texture... well, substances are by them as well. The lighter color is "Sandy Paste", which I bought to model the sidewalks. Two coats with brushstrokes in one direction covered with a third coat in the perpendicular direction creates a pleasing, cement-y texture. The grittier, darker substance is "Grey Pumice", which will be dirt and loose rubble when finished. This stuff is basically sand in a gel-like suspension. It will absolutely destroy any brush you use with it, but it's fun to spread around. It builds up well, a few layers thoughtfully applied will create small mounds, or even a crater.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album119/Crater.jpg

You will also note that I have started the process of putting smaller debris on the piles of rubble.

But, perhaps more exciting than this is that I completed my color palette for the project. When I finished the other buildings, I took a scrap piece of MDF and glued some stray plaster bricks and plasticard and painted it with the texture stuff. Since I hadn't worked with any of this stuff before I wanted to test out color schemes and techniques on this rather than the actual buildings (this is how I worked out the 2/1 Sandy Paste coat scheme).

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album120/ColorTest2.jpg

I went a little overboard on the grass on this piece, mostly because I was working on the best way to apply it to something bigger than the base of a single model. Also, static grass and flock are like magic to me for some reason. But the buildings themselves will only have a clump here and there, really.

I suppose this piece could (and will) find use as a barricade or tank trap, but it's a little unweildly at one end...

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album120/ColorTest1.jpg

Of course I had to find a way to work in the pavement and so on, so it doesn't make a lot of sense as a model. But the near end here is how the pavement bit will work out, and if you can see any of the brown earth through my overzealous landscaping, that's the Grey Pumice.

I'm already painting up the Fieldstone Walls and the Monument Pedestal too. If I keep plugging away by the end of the long weekend they and a couple of the buildings might actually be finished.

Steeple_jackuk
30-12-2006, 22:03
Wow that hirst stuff really lends itself to looking good, I love the assembly you've done really bringing the gothic look to the fore. Looking forward to seeing how it all comes together.

Sj.

lorbaat
01-01-2007, 17:31
I love the assembly you've done really bringing the gothic look to the fore.

That's a huge compliment, thanks!

My push to try and get some progress made this nice long weekend contnues.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album116/Fieldstone1.jpg

Sure, from this angle it looks complete, but:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album116/Fieldstone2.jpg

The interior isn't done yet. I'm having a really tough time with the flagstone patterned plasticard (on the floor). I can't get an even drybrush out of it. I end up re-inking it over and over again.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album117/Pedestal1.jpg

The monument pedestal again. It also looks complete- and, in fact, it's been lacquered and everything. But it still needs the Space Marines for the base and something on the top. I still have no particular plan for that. Maybe a double-headed eagle or an angel of death.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album117/Pedestal2.jpg

lorbaat
01-01-2007, 17:33
I have managed to actually finish some things, though. Namely, the wall sections.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album122/Walls3.jpg

I put a lot of grass on these. I figure that far in the future they'll see more use on a grass-covered board than a city one.

Ha! Like I'll ever have space for two boards. Or one board.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album122/Walls.jpg

And, since people seem to like these things, I took a picture of what could laughably be called my "work area".

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album113/Workspace.jpg

Back to it!

Light of the Emperor
01-01-2007, 17:35
Very gothic indeed...Good job!

As for the pedestal, if you are looking to make a double headed eagle, try using the eagles from flag poles. At least that's how I did it...if you come up with a better way, I might have to look into it!

CELS
01-01-2007, 17:36
This is some of the best urban terrain I've ever seen for 40k. It would be a sin if you didn't finish it :)

lorbaat
01-01-2007, 17:41
Very gothic indeed...Good job!

As for the pedestal, if you are looking to make a double headed eagle, try using the eagles from flag poles. At least that's how I did it...if you come up with a better way, I might have to look into it!

It was your eagle statue that gave me the idea! One of these days, I'm gong to make the drive up to NH (from the Boston area) to see your table (Kasr Tannenburg), I swear to god. It's a thing of beauty.

And I'm working on finishing it, CELS, I promise! Struggling through a bit of a hangover right now, but still plugging away!

Thanks for the kind words, they are a great motivator. Maybe when I finish these I'll post all my half-finished Templar stuff to get going on that. :D

lorbaat
08-01-2007, 05:18
Well, painting up these two pieces took way longer than I expected. There's a lot of surface area to cover, it turns out. And to top it off, I finished painting the "Chapel" last night, only to have it get crushed overnight by a falling book! It had to get glued back together, and spot-painted to repair the damage.

But they are both done now!

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album124/Fieldstone1.jpg

Now the interior floor and the dirt have been painted, and small amounts of grass applied.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album124/Fieldstone2.jpg

I really fought against my natural inclinations and managed to keep the grass sparse and clumpy, able to pass for various lengths of time since the destruction started. Too much grass and growth and it looks like the ruins are overgrown with time.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album124/FieldstoneDetail.jpg

lorbaat
08-01-2007, 05:28
http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/Chapel1.jpg

This thing has way more surface area than you might think. I thought I'd never be done drybrushing it.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/Chapel2.jpg

It actually came out a little lighter than I meant it to. I went heavier on the last coat of Stone Gray than I had before. Several times I put it down wondering if I should just wash it with black ink and start over.

But in the end I'm more or less ok with it.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/Chapel3.jpg

This corner bore the brunt of the damage over last night; there was a huge irregular crack. Fortunately it didn't shatter into a million pieces and I was able to glue it together nearly seamlessly. I'll let you try to guess where the visible damage is.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/ChapelEagle.jpg

Closeup of the eagle plate over the "doorway" arch. It's one of the Forge World Brass Etched Eagles. I was mostly testing the paint scheme for use on the bronze Marine statues for the monument- and I learned I have to go lighter.

lorbaat
08-01-2007, 05:35
http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/ChapelDetail1.jpg

With a few Marines, for scale...

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/ChapelDetail3.jpg

A few guys on the second floor...

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album123/ChapelDetail2.jpg

Another closeup showing the painted stone surface. Also, a fun firing position.

So, that's these two buildings down! I have the Marine minis for the monument, so those will probably be up next. The "Church" is almost ready to be primed, and then the "Cathedral"... well, it needs a lot of work yet, and now I have some concept of the enormous amount of time it will take to actually paint up. Ooof.

spacemonkey
08-01-2007, 05:40
Superb! Wish I had stuff like that to grace my gaming table.

liamrob
08-01-2007, 07:41
Dam there looking to good to be true. Can u get a big group shot on a table of some sort. Just so we can see the amount all together that you've made please.

Can't wait for some more pics i love em!

Wolf Scout Ewan
08-01-2007, 11:26
I love those buildings m8!

lorbaat
08-01-2007, 13:12
Thanks for the kind words, guys...


Can u get a big group shot on a table of some sort. Just so we can see the amount all together that you've made please.

Typical of me I've kind of put the cart before the horse- I have no table to use with these! At least, not yet. Maybe the next stage of my terrain project should be a 4'x4' surface for Combat Patrol...

Anyway, I'll try to get a group shot of them all arranged on the floor or something, but I can tell you from experience that they sort of sparsely cover a 4'X4' area. Too sparse for a real Cityfight, not too bad for just a game.

lorbaat
09-01-2007, 04:56
So, my friend came through and gave me a bunch of his second edition boxed set Marines! When he said he had some, I assumed they were unpainted, but when he gave them to me, they were all painted up:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album125/StatuePaint1.jpg

He told me that they were the first minis he ever bought. I'm sure they fought battle after battle for years before heading off to the bitz box. I'm happy to retire them to a place of honor after their distinguished service!

Primed them black, highlighted them in leather brown:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album125/StatuePaint3.jpg

Then I gave them a light drybrush in Bronze, and inked them dowm with Green (in the crevices) and Brown (thin all over) inks:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album125/StatuePaint6.jpg

And then a final highlight of Bronze:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album125/StatuePaint7.jpg

And they're all ready to go!

lorbaat
09-01-2007, 05:01
And here's where they'll end up:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album117/PedestalStatues.jpg

Of course, now that I have the minis I see that the platforms they stand on are just a tiny bit too short for their feet. I'm sure I could just tack them on and no one would notice, but I would see it all the time, so I have to figure out a way to extend the platforms.

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/gallery/albums/album117/PedestalDetail2_2.jpg

GW's plastics range has come a long way.

A coat of lacquer will dull the statues down. I hope this will also make the green slightly more apparent.

Now, I just have to figure out what to put on top of this thing. Taking all suggestions!

Voronwe[MQ]
09-01-2007, 12:39
For our (my, my brother's and two friend's 'collective') city terrain we sawed a 2nd edition Space Marine in half and glued the front half to the inside of a building. The back half will be glued on an objective marker or beside a crater with some conversion in order to save the backpack for other models and de-mariniate it a lot. If I buy a digital camera with a decent enough quality I'll start a project log and start taking pictures of it.

Voronwe

bugbait_nz
10-01-2007, 05:40
Those old marines lack fine details and so look great as statues!!!
Bronze looks good, like a new statue, more green reqd if you want the old oxidised look IMHO.
I think an emperors champ with sword held high would look great on the top.

Something like this -> CMON linky (http://www.coolminiornot.com/94532)

Keep em coming, good ideas for the rest of us to copy.

Bugbait out.