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The Judge
15-12-2006, 20:57
Phoning Mail Order recently, it seems the Steel Legion models are being withdrawn next year. Not even to collectors status; simpy not being produced any more.

Is it because they aren't selling well, as the rep explained to me>

Or is this the first clue to greatcoat-guard plastics?

Regardless, I think it's worthwhile news for those who want some Steel Legion armies - order now to avoid disappointment!

Tammo_Korsai
15-12-2006, 21:02
That greatcoat guard thing has more or less been done: Vostroyans. And that plastic guard thing has been around for a couple of years now, wouldn't count on it coming up. It sure would be great though if they did make plastic greatcoat IG.
Luckily I have a Steel Legion squad and an awesome SL officer with his power sword and bolt pistol.

Count de Monet
15-12-2006, 21:05
That'd be a shame. Some of the best figs GW's put out, and the best IG ones IMO. I've got 3 squads, some HW and two command squads of them, would love a full army, maybe someday will sell the Cadians to make the $ to do so...

Tom
15-12-2006, 21:07
It's actually slightly cheaper now to collect Death Korps, isn't it?

The Judge
15-12-2006, 21:15
Tiny bit cheaper... the Death Korps work out £3.20 each while the Steel Legion are £2.50

Bregalad
15-12-2006, 22:10
I am not a specialist on IG, but as far as I know, the Steel legion minis are very small in relation to current minis, more like true 28mm or smaller. As they are very similar to the far superior Death Guard, I would strongly advise the few Steel legion fans (not having all minis already) to turn to the latter. This niche does not really need two fully grown armies.

Brimstone
15-12-2006, 22:16
That greatcoat guard thing has more or less been done: Vostroyans. And that plastic guard thing has been around for a couple of years now, wouldn't count on it coming up.

Oh really?

I'd wait a while longer before writing them off if I was you.

Baneboss
15-12-2006, 22:17
I have a Steel Legion army that counts some 130 models. I do however need some more HBs and Lascannons. On the other hand since theyre Death Korps maybe ill just buy some new FW DKs.

Anyway thx for sharing this info with us :)

asmodai_dark86
15-12-2006, 22:30
Having looked at the death korps, they've pretty much shown that a plastic regiment in great coats could be done without too much hassle - one piece body, detatchable head, and set of arms to hold the various weapon options.

Plus they could sell them 15 to a box and they'd sell really well (and undercut the forgeworld DKoK enough to do it 15 to a box). Add in the green stuff that at least a 1/3 of people will buy attempting to make them into vostroyans/death korps/steel legion...

Remember though that steel legion are 3/4 length coats, not great coats...

Would they do it? Well if the piranhas anything to go off I'd say almost definately.

Poor old forgeworld...

Colonel_Kreitz
15-12-2006, 22:32
Oh really?

I'd wait a while longer before writing them off if I was you.


Wooowww! :eek: You see, now I'm really intrigued. Rumors of greatcoated guardsmen have been floating around since just about the time the plastic Cadians came out. It would be exciting beyond imagination to actually see the greatcoats get the plastic treatment.

Intriguing...

swordwind
15-12-2006, 22:43
Intriguing...

What he said. I do so desperatly want plastic Valhallans.

WokeUpDead
15-12-2006, 22:45
as long as the plastic-coats don't confer a 3+ save, I'm all for it (even if all that "for the emperor!"-bla bla in DOW and MOC drives me nuts ;))

old guard
15-12-2006, 22:48
come on uncle brimstone how much time do I have to save up my pocket money?........Oh yeah and to have another extension built on the house to make room for another guard army:) ...:D ...:evilgrin:

Brother Armand
15-12-2006, 23:32
Being a long time Steel Legion collector, I saw the writing on the wall early in 2005. Around March or so it was getting harder & harder to find these models on retail shelves and it wasn't long after that even Neal at The War Stroe said he couldn't even order them. With full retail pricing direct from GW staring me in the face, my only option was to 'finish' my collection and pick up as much as I could as fast as I could from eBay and what not.

I made my last SL purchase in late 2005, bringing me to approx 240 SL infantry, (1 Mechanized company w/ infantry reserves + full Provisional Hive Garrison). It surprises me that they might not even go into the archives. Still, if it'll pave the way for plastic Valhallans, I'll survive somehow. ;)

verydarkshadow
15-12-2006, 23:38
Oh really?

I'd wait a while longer before writing them off if I was you.

Like, how much longer? :angel:

Reflex
15-12-2006, 23:45
its a sad day when the forces of armageddon get withdrawn from the battle field... rest well my friends... rest well... :cries:

well that sucks... because like others have said, they are nice figs...

brim.. if your gonna push suspiscion about another guard army just tell us... were on our knee's here!!!

Marshal2Crusaders
15-12-2006, 23:49
New Steel Legion would be awesome.

shabbadoo
15-12-2006, 23:50
If GW translates the Death Koprs of Krieg over to plastic, I will be redoing my IG completely. They are just too bad@$$ looking not to!!!

The greatcoat guard have not basically been done; the whole point being doing greatcoat guard in PLASTIC, which Vostroyans certainly are not. The one thing about doing greatcoat guard is that there are a number of IG armies with great coasts, with mostly just different heads being necessary to differentiate them. Including two varieties of IG army of heads on the sprue set would be great. I'd vote for Death Korps of Krieg and Valhallans, which are arguably the most popular greatcoat IG. Hopefully GW will look at how other model companies produce great coat models(Dragon Models, Tamiya- most notably 1/35th scale Russian and German WW 2 winter troops) to get some ideas on how to do the lower bodies really well. I'd rather have multiple part models that allow for doing the coats well than single piece lower bodies that are mostly filled in and that do not look very good.

artificer
16-12-2006, 00:31
Having looked at the death korps, they've pretty much shown that a plastic regiment in great coats could be done without too much hassle - one piece body, detatchable head, and set of arms to hold the various weapon options.

Poor old forgeworld...

I don't know if you've actually seen the DKoK in person or not yet, but there's no way in hell that GW can do in plastic anything even CLOSE to these. Just by removing the undercuts you would destroy the look of the pieces.

I'd love to see plastic greatcoats too, but if they just end up looking like Catachans in mu-mus, what's the point? ;)

Hicks
16-12-2006, 01:02
It's sad to see my beloved army go the way of the Squats... Well thank you for the warning, I still need a couple things like the commisars, I'll place an order ASAP. It's sad to see them go, they were very good minis IMO, better scaled than most other human minis and they made marines look as big as they should.

Brother Armand: 240!? now that is the biggest SL army I ever heard of. I could imagine some gaming boards collapsing under the weight.

Getz
16-12-2006, 01:25
They aren't going anwhere. You can still mail order all the 2nd ed Metal ranges, and the extremely limited Tanith range. GW must sell about a dozen of the a year tops, but they're still available...

Jesse Custer
16-12-2006, 02:27
It is really a matter of balance I think. Mail order may only support them as long as they sell some. They too, like stores must deal with the maximum number of references they can carry (on).
I like the skull-face masked commissar.

Marshal2Crusaders
16-12-2006, 03:10
Maybe they will make a set that can be either steel legion or death korp or valhallan. What i dont understand is how GW will make a unit that is only one type for 40k but fantasy can have like 3 different units in one box. (Empire, Dark ELves, dwarfs)

asmodai_dark86
16-12-2006, 03:25
But in the case of the empire its not ten models in the box for three optiosn (spears, halberds, and sword with shield) would you like space marines to include tactical, devestator, and assault options (effectively increasing the price to at least 30 quid)?

Seeing as though forge world do alternate heads, perhaps they'll do one for steel legion/dkok, but I doubt it. The great coats if ever done will be valhallens without a shadow of a doubt. They've been a long time coming, but seeing as though a new guard codex will be shortly over the hill, and they've release a plastic set for the last two, it seems natural they'd do it for the next.

Plus in some of the guard players who own substantial armies the best way of getting them to buy more stuff is make an alternative (if every player who owns 3000 points or more decides to vest in valhallans... it soon makes it a worth while venture).

Vaktathi
16-12-2006, 03:29
This makes me sad. I really liked the Steel Legion mini's (I was going to make an army out of them until I saw the FW come out with DKoK Grenadiers and everything else)

I really liked the whole look of the Steel Legion, and I still think they have the best looking heavy weapons teams (especially the missile launcher) of any IG army that GW has ever done. I don't know why they seem to be sticking so hard with the Cadians (IMO not the best models GW has ever done:rolleyes: ) but I'd like to see another "coat" army in the Steel Legion's place, as it seems everyone else in this thread would.

Also, I don't think Vostroyans count as GW's "greatcoat" guard, too much armor, and IMO the hats are wayyyy overdone (Valhallan 2.0 with bigger hats basically)

pwrgmrguard
16-12-2006, 04:27
Nooo, my army's heritage and core will be gone!!! I have a Peace Corps type army, tha basis of it and the models i have had the longest being my SL, then Catachans, then Cadians than a unit of tallarn roughriders, some tanith and then a Valhallen cart heavy bolter. I have three squads, a lascannon team some extra assault weapons and a command. No more SL is like the End of the world. I will have to cry All hail Ebay, as my sole source for the love of my hobbyists life. Damn that sucks, now seeing as i am also a pirates and penguins fan, I will hold onto the idea of possible plastic SL with a dethgrip unshakable by ought until the New IG is released and if im wrong mutter and wait for times to change and the SL to rise again, in plastic!

fishborne
16-12-2006, 06:31
good thing i am buying 90 more to go with my 135...

later,
fishborne

Destris
16-12-2006, 09:02
That greatcoat guard thing has more or less been done: Vostroyans. And that plastic guard thing has been around for a couple of years now, wouldn't count on it coming up.

You wanna bet? They're still a while off yet, not even in the concept stage, GW are waiting until the hype on the FWDK dies down to see how well they sell pro-release. They are now considered a likely project but they are not coming anytime soon.
Steve

static grass
16-12-2006, 10:13
I spoke with a store manager about this some weeks ago about the exact same thing and he assured me that they would be around for some years to come. I don't think they will ditch these minis because they are not selling well. They would just rise the price.

Sinisterfence
16-12-2006, 10:27
I dont get GWs strategy... things arent selling well so they'll raise the prices... to alienate customers from collecting them more? a better strategy would be to lower the price, I know I'd collect 'em if I thought they were worth the price/ a bit cheaper considering you need 30 for the most basic army

DraXaus
16-12-2006, 10:53
I'm glade that I got them when they were still selling. I just feel bad for those who like SL, but won't be able to buy them in stores.

conscript 52
16-12-2006, 12:02
wow thats a shame i love my SL i have a small platoon that supports my cadian an it looks ace, but if we get valhallans everything goes my first love regiment and first mini's

catdubh
16-12-2006, 12:37
OK so I think to myself they are being removed from the stores, so what. Still available from mail order, just their space is being taken by Vostroyans, this confirms what a redshirt said to me.:(

However when I look at the mail order web site what do I find. Only Heavy weapons available.:wtf:

So the big question, as the old cadian, Praetorian and such are still available why not the steel legion.
They must sell better than Praetorian, so why only heavy weapons?:confused:

If it was any other company than GW, I'd believe it was to replace them with plastics, but in GW universe who knows.

To keep the HW in mail order but drop the infantry just doesn't make sense, if anyone can shine a light on the reason i would be very grateful.:)

Baneboss
16-12-2006, 14:13
We will see plastic Steel Legion someday, thats for sure. On the other hand so can be said about Dark Eldar codex :)

asmodai_dark86
16-12-2006, 14:45
Praetorian and such are still available why not the steel legion.
They must sell better than Praetorian

Now THAT i'd be surprised at, seeing as though while steel legion are popular, praetorians are based on the battle for roukes drift (as seen in the film zulu).

Speaking personally, having owned both sets, while the praetorians were the worse to paint, they look cooler.

catdubh
16-12-2006, 15:26
Now THAT i'd be surprised at, seeing as though while steel legion are popular, praetorians are based on the battle for roukes drift (as seen in the film zulu).

Speaking personally, having owned both sets, while the praetorians were the worse to paint, they look cooler.

This is what I find strange, the Praetorians are still available in the classics range, but I can't find steel legion infantry available on the web site. It just doesn't make sense but this is GW we are talking about!

Mr Zephy
16-12-2006, 15:51
Noooooooooooooo:cries: :cries: :cries: i had a complex economic plan to buy an army of them next year... "Mutters, writes on the list..." :skull:

MastroBurattinaio
16-12-2006, 16:26
An other beautifulst army is in order to take one ugly road

Getz
16-12-2006, 17:05
Guys, I don't know if you didn't hear me last time, but...

THEY WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE THOUGH MAIL ORDER!

:eyebrows:

I am, quite literally, prepared to bet my life savings on it. Every Guard range except the original RT era plastics and metals are available through mail order. Every single one

They'll be harder to get hold of, for sure, and they may not appear on the website, but they will be available.

Mr Zephy
16-12-2006, 17:32
Whoops, at least i'm not alone in looking like a twit.

And you're right Getz. the only times i've heard of GW stopping selling something is when they run out and the mould is broken.

So the magic GW store ordering system will have them?

Brimstone
16-12-2006, 17:42
They'll be harder to get hold of, for sure, and they may not appear on the website, but they will be available.

This is not aimed at you Getz but I wish people would use their brains before posting.

The Steel Legion range is still available on the UK and US online store for those who bothered to use the search function. Just type steel AND legion and up they pop.

Not difficult was it. :rolleyes:

Acolyte of Bli'l'ab
16-12-2006, 18:59
They aren't going anwhere. You can still mail order all the 2nd ed Metal ranges, and the extremely limited Tanith range. GW must sell about a dozen of the a year tops, but they're still available...

Yeah, their good that way, shame they dont include the plastics though... I miss those old plastic orks and gretchin.

Vaktathi
16-12-2006, 19:00
This is not aimed at you Getz but I wish people would use their brains before posting.

The Steel Legion range is still available on the UK and US online store for those who bothered to use the search function. Just type steel AND legion and up they pop.

Not difficult was it. :rolleyes:

it looks like the boxed Troops set is gone however and each individual trooper is $4.5-$5.5, quite expensive for guard infantry =(

Brimstone
16-12-2006, 19:07
it looks like the boxed Troops set is gone however and each individual trooper is $4.5-$5.5, quite expensive for guard infantry =(

That's pretty much the standard price (with some small variations) for all of the metal guard sold individually.

If you want cheap guard Cadians are the only option.

Getz
16-12-2006, 19:10
If you want cheap guard Cadians are the only option.


Or Ebay, that's where I bought most of my Valhallans. Depending on the rarity, I find you can usually ebay metal Guard for about 1 ($1.80) per figure - which compares very favourably with mail ordering, even if you usually have to strip the buggers.

I usually ebay for the basic troopers and then mail order any specific stuff I still need.

Vaktathi
16-12-2006, 19:11
That's pretty much the standard price (with some small variations) for all of the metal guard sold individually.

If you want cheap guard Cadians are the only option.

It appears you are right =(
at that price though, you may as well just go for Forgeworld mini's.

Ozymandiass
16-12-2006, 19:35
If you want cheap guard Cadians are the only option.

Not entirely true, you can still get Catachans cheaply.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Black Mage
16-12-2006, 20:02
While the only the SL heavy weapons and sentinel are shown on the Canadian GW store IG list, the real meat is hidden behind that wonderful little button known as the Classics and Collectors.

Shame the SL are $8 cdn, might be worth it to just pay the U.S. prices. :rolleyes:

I should also probably snatch up that squad box of SL that is lurking at my local store...

Gensuke626
16-12-2006, 20:47
Just to play devil's advocate, Just because it's in the Online store doesn't mean it's still available. They had the Inquisitor Scale Vindicare Assassin up for months before they finally took it down.

Not saying that the Steel Legion isn't available and won't be available, and I'm sure that the webmasters are better at cleaning out non-specialist games catalogues, but there is that chance.

Take a bit of healthy skepticism, sit down, and if it's not on the web, just call GW up and ask. Thank you, have a peachy keen day.

The Judge
17-12-2006, 22:08
No, no new Guard codex for a long time.

New Guard miniatures though... that'd be sweet.

Sleazy
18-12-2006, 15:21
I've just sold some SL on Ebay and they didnt go for big money, worked out to about £1 each.

Got some more to go in my next batch.

straightsilver21
18-12-2006, 19:47
ah damn! i better place my order then soon for the few guardsmen i still need to finish out my Steel Legion 2500pt army. They are in my opinion the best GW produced IG models, better than the vostroyans i think. I would get the DKoK models from FW as then are similar but they are also different enough to put them out of place with the rest of my army. I wont get them for vets either because being vets doesnt give reason to their completely different lasguns or their different helments and uniforms. so ill be ordering the reminents of my army quite soon.

so sad. we'll not see another steel legion model till another war for armageddon...oh please mr. thraka if you can hear my pleas!

Chaplin Davius
19-12-2006, 10:01
Phoning Mail Order recently, it seems the Steel Legion models are being withdrawn next year. Not even to collectors status; simpy not being produced any more.

Is it because they aren't selling well, as the rep explained to me>

Or is this the first clue to greatcoat-guard plastics?

Regardless, I think it's worthwhile news for those who want some Steel Legion armies - order now to avoid disappointment!


I spke to one of the mail order guys on saturday and he said there is NO chance of the steel legion going as they are the best selling metal guard regiment.

Later Days

nightgash
19-12-2006, 12:56
If they are not selling well they need to lower prices to increase demand. Likewise a price rise will lower the demand as people will stop purchasing as its too expensive

Lex Luthor
19-12-2006, 19:09
everybody buy them now then, and at least 1 of the 2 will happen:
a) you'll have the last remaining of such cool models
b) they will be selling well, and it then they can keep making them!

ankara halla
19-12-2006, 19:52
If they are not selling well they need to lower prices to increase demand. Likewise a price rise will lower the demand as people will stop purchasing as its too expensive

Yeah, that's not gonna happend....

If anything GW wants people to buy plastic IG stuff. Having low mould/high production -cost metal figures selling well, possibly well enough to tap in to the high mould/low production -cost Cadians and Catachans, is not good for business.

People who relly want Steel Legion figures are still going to buy them, no matter the price rise, while people who just want IG will instead buy the "cheaper" plastic Cadians/Catachans => which is a lot more profitable for GW per figure sold.

Captain Micha
20-12-2006, 13:28
I think they should cancel sms for a while and make more guard long live the steel legion!

Tanner MIrabel
20-12-2006, 15:35
Must get around to painting the army of them I already have, before I even think about buying more

Jericho
20-12-2006, 20:25
Dropping prices to increase sales won't guarantee increased profits... elasticity of demand, cost curves, and all other wonderfully fancy sounding graphs from Econ 101 will tell you that the consumer's best interests and the company's rarely coincide.

It could very well be increasing their profit margins by raising prices even at lower sales numbers... that's how Monopolies do it. I just think it's strange that they continue to look like a monopoly now that there's starting to be some decent competition again (ie. Privateer Press).