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Darkfang74
11-07-2005, 02:57
Yah the wait is gonna kill me, like it did when having to wait 9 months for the Grey Knights. But look how thats come and gone....

Now heres a question. Well the Dwarf VS Goblin (or Skaven or both), like the battle of Macragge set have plastic scenery and well the minis be plug and play with each mini having 1-3 parts????

Or well it be a more advanced set holding multi-part figs?

And well this include a mini 7th ed rule book and a senerio book as well??

I think its a good idea! But theres just one thing I really don't want to see happen because of it....

New beardlings making Dwarfs the space marines of fantasy.

I'm proud of my 15 year dwarf army. And I also love the challenge at tournys to be one of the few if not the only Dwarf player.

Thats my 2 cents....

Thoughts?

NakedFisherman
11-07-2005, 05:34
Take a cold shower. Post in the other thread.

Brother Frog
11-07-2005, 09:04
New beardlings making Dwarfs the space marines of fantasy.

Only if Dwarfs suddenly make up approximately 70% of WFB sales, like marines do with 40K.

Griefbringer
11-07-2005, 09:07
Is that good old Mr Frog himself again? Haven't seen you here for a while!

Jedi152
11-07-2005, 09:40
1) Do we have anything other than speculation that dwarves will even be in the starter set?

2) Do we have anything other than speculation that there will even be a starter set?

Well 2) seems like a no-brainer. Sterter sets for 40k and LOTR, so it's odds on that a fantasy one will be produced. I see no reason why dwarfs would be in it though. They aren't the 'typical' fantasy army.

If GW want to attract new people then they should pick the armies that most non-fantasy players can identify with: ie greenskins as the bad guys, and humans as the good guys.


And I also love the challenge at tournys to be one of the few if not the only Dwarf player.Does this statement not indicate that dwarfs aren't popular enough to be a starter army?

But if dwarfs are in the starter than you can almost guarantee on 2-3 part plastics. GW want people to be able to start playing asap, and 'plug-n-play' models are all a part of that.

Tastyfish
11-07-2005, 10:14
The empire is a little unusual, elves and dwarfs I would say are the two most recognisable armies other than greenskins. Having watched LOTR, it would seem a little odd for all the humans to have frilly sleeves and excessive hats.

However goblins vs dwarfs in WFB and goblins vs fellowship in a dwarven mine seems a little close and going to cause confusion.

Jedi152
11-07-2005, 11:30
The empire is a little unusual, elves and dwarfs I would say are the two most recognisable armies other than greenskins. Having watched LOTR, it would seem a little odd for all the humans to have frilly sleeves and excessive hats.

However goblins vs dwarfs in WFB and goblins vs fellowship in a dwarven mine seems a little close and going to cause confusion.

2 points well made. Reinforces the Empire idea - GW have a starter set to prove to new starters that WFB isn't a poor LOTR clone. The Empire is so different to anything in LOTR.

Any Goblins vs Dwarfs starter almost certainly won't be set in a dwarf mine/hold. Too much like Moria, as you said, and given that the LOTR starter is Moria...

PARTYCHICORITA
11-07-2005, 12:51
then again, with they getting redone and all; maybe GW wants to give some populaity back to the stunties.

Misfratz
11-07-2005, 18:57
It's rumoured over at Bugman's that it'll be Skaven in the starter set with the Dwarfs. That would make sense since they were involved in Karak Eight Peaks.

When I started out in fantasy [many years ago - no sniggering!] the bedrock was formed by a core of four races: Elves, Greenskins, Dwarfs and Men. It was actually the same in 40K/Epic as well. Chaos [and Undead, etc] appeared more peripheral.

Things have now diverged between 40K and fantasy with Tyranids, Lizardmen, Squats [RIP], etc, but I think that for fantasy it is still fair to say that the bedrock is formed by those four races [the Dwarfs still had a good showing in Albion for example, when GW published the stats of games played, I don't know whether they released similar information from SoC].

Also, in the 5th edition box set they featured Lizardmen, who weren't present in 4th edition, and for 3rd edition 40K they included the new Dark Eldar... Including Dwarfs in the starter set for 7th edition is almost an entitlement for Dwarfs in my opinion as the High Elves, Men [two kinds], Gobbos and Orcs [plus lizzies] have all had their go.

It's worth remembering that the starter set is aimed at 'new' players so they don't really care what we think about it anyway...

In general 'fantasy' terms I thnk the Dwarf 'Archetype' is still very popular. The only confusion is that I'm fairly confident they'll release the Dwarf Batallion this Christmas, whereas GWs modus operandi would have them release a Dwarf Batallion along with the starter set. So I'm confused.

Darkfang74
11-07-2005, 20:28
It is confusing, hopefully mabey the next games day well shed some light.

Sgt John Keel
11-07-2005, 22:49
Is that good old Mr Frog himself again? Haven't seen you here for a while!

Of course it isn't, don't get silly now!

I'd hate seeing how three-part dwarves would look. I guess those who hate the great weapon and crossbow ones would cry tears of blood on that one.

/Adrian

Orcdom
11-07-2005, 22:56
skaven and night goblins would look better done this way than dwarves would IMHO.
because i still have some of the old 1 piece skaven and a helluva lot of the old 1 piece N gobbo archers and gobbo spearment, which i still like and still use.

Steve

Nazguire
11-07-2005, 23:42
Only if Dwarfs suddenly make up approximately 70% of WFB sales, like marines do with 40K.



Hey its Brother Frog!!!


Anyhow...70% Holy Bajeezus, I thought it was only 50%. Damn me.

With Dwarves, they are too one of the typcial races of Fantasy. Think of Fantasy you think of glittering Elves, feral Orcs and drunken Dwarves. And I know that a lot of players are put off Dwarves (me included) because of the lack of plastics, the horrendous miniatures (which incidentally, include the Warriors, the ONLY plastic set they have :cries: ) and the unholy amount of metal figures.

An army set with Dwarves would encourage more players and then if they strategically bring out plastic Slayers and/or Hammerers and/or Ironbreakers it will bring a lot more Dwarf players to the fold.

Dargon
12-07-2005, 00:13
1) Do we have anything other than speculation that dwarves will even be in the starter set?

2) Do we have anything other than speculation that there will even be a starter set?
Just for you...

Nearly nothing interesting - we knew it all - the models of WE we v seen long ago. The only interesting thing was that after the WE they are starting the 7th edition of FWB. They are making a Makkrage like starter featurihg dwarfs.

On press-conference GW reps informed that they're going to rework dwarf and scaven books firts, before 7th edition will happen.

Barin s words are true - he has a really beautiful army.

The above reports came from people who attended the Q&A session at Games Day Moscow.

As for the popularity of Dwarfs, I think people are looking at things the wrong way. If Dwarfs are unpopular - that's why they'll be promoted! If Dwarfs are unpopular, GW have two choices, they can either drop the whole line (never gonna happen, Dwarfs are a staple Fantasy army), or they can promote the hell out of of them to get people buying them.

Considering all the articles Dwarfs are getting lately in White Dwarf, I'm guessing GW are in dire straights where Dwarf sales are concerned. ;)

Like Misfratz, I'm confused by the reports of an early Battalion for Dwarfs when GW have other stuff planned for them in the future - it's not like GW to market a single model range for so long, they usually try to hit us with everything at once (although the Tyranids did have 6 months between Macragge and their book). Time will tell.

Just a thought...

Xisor
12-07-2005, 00:33
Either that or, as I guess, GW are truly Dwarf fanboys(YAY!). Whilst miniatures wise they can't quite justify to the accountants giving them a new range, if they 'remind people why everyone loves dwarfs' by showing how good studio are at doing Dwarf Fluff(background for Mr Thorpe) and such, then the accountants will say "Wow, we'd never thought of Dwarfs that way! Why you can go ahead and have an all-plastic Dwarf Range!"

Incidently most of that paragraph could likely be applied to dwarf porn :eek:

Worrying. Anyhow, I've always found GW to do a great job on the Fluff for dwarfs, now they need to perfect the army itself!

Xisor

NakedFisherman
12-07-2005, 04:51
I'd like a new Skaven army book and new Clanrats as well. The Dwarfs and Clanrats need updates more than anything else. New Night Runners would also be nice to coincide with new Clanrats. And a new Warpfire Thrower PLEASE. :P

If the rules are redone, I'd like to see them keep their current stuff (rules and all), but the main change I'd like to see would be to make weapon teams a Special choice (as well as adjusting some point values).

Darkfang74
12-07-2005, 05:49
Agreed, both the Skaven and Dwarf plastics of warriors and clan rats and night runners are way back from Mordheim!!!!!When was that? 1999? Dwarfs are using 6-10 year old metals and 6-7 year old plastics (remember they were in Italy for several years before mass production to the rest of teh world)

Jedi152
12-07-2005, 07:54
@ Dargon: Ok, i concede - there is more than speculation ... :D

Dwarfs and Skaven would work. They both need new plastics - but any starter set ones are likely to be 2-3 parts, which is always bad! So don't count on good plastics for them any time soon!

PARTYCHICORITA
12-07-2005, 07:58
I agree with jedi, the quality of eventual new models in a starter army would be kind of low. However like with the Genestealers in the battle of macrage box the warriors could get redone anyway whe the new armybook is released.

Thunkorknivor
12-07-2005, 08:03
And including the Skaven in the starter pack as well as having them re-released with a new book and all early on in the 7th ed provides GW with a perfect opportunity to update the rules and cut down on the cheese! I'm not saying that I find them overpowered, it's just that that seems to be the public opinion.

Oh wait, I do find them overpowered. :p

Dargon
12-07-2005, 09:14
Agreed, both the Skaven and Dwarf plastics of warriors and clan rats and night runners are way back from Mordheim!!!!!When was that? 1999? Dwarfs are using 6-10 year old metals and 6-7 year old plastics (remember they were in Italy for several years before mass production to the rest of teh world)Yep, the Skaven Regiment set came out in February 1999, closely followed by the Dwarf Regiment set in May 1999 (for countries like France and Australia that got advanced access). Mordheim and the Night Runners plastics came in November 1999.

The Dwarf Hammerers date back to somewhere in 1997.
The Dwarf Ranger models go back to somewhere around 1993 :rolleyes: .

Just a thought...

Evisss
12-07-2005, 10:29
Yeah the dwarf range are pretty antiques compared to other armies. I never got an actual unit of hammerers for the point that they are very ugly and are all in the same position. The only unit which i dont complain about is the longbeards which are very good.

NakedFisherman
12-07-2005, 15:47
Yep, the Skaven Regiment set came out in February 1999, closely followed by the Dwarf Regiment set in May 1999 (for countries like France and Australia that got advanced access). Mordheim and the Night Runners plastics came in November 1999.

The Dwarf Hammerers date back to somewhere in 1997.
The Dwarf Ranger models go back to somewhere around 1993 :rolleyes: .

Just a thought...

The Poison WInd Globadiers are the only Marauder miniatures left in the range from when the Morrisons created the company. Yep, we're talking 1990 here!

The Warpfire Thrower is from 4th edition I think, too.

Darkfang74
12-07-2005, 18:39
Yup both ranges need an update rather baddly.

I have hammerers.... and even with 4 sculpts they are only different in hammer head and beard. I mean even like the belt bags and stuff are the same... GACK!

I like the current long beards. and the iron breakers.... well half the iron breaks, 2 of the sculpts kinnda get on my nerves. But the champ is one of the best current dwarf minis IMHO

The boyz
12-07-2005, 20:26
Yup both ranges need an update rather baddly.

I have hammerers.... and even with 4 sculpts they are only different in hammer head and beard. I mean even like the belt bags and stuff are the same... GACK!

I like the current long beards. and the iron breakers.... well half the iron breaks, 2 of the sculpts kinnda get on my nerves. But the champ is one of the best current dwarf minis IMHO


Yeah I agree. I have got Hammerers in my Dwarf army but they are pretty boring to look at and paint. They are all very similar posed to one another and they are looking a bit dated. I hope GW does something with them in the future.

Dargon
12-07-2005, 23:28
I like the current long beards.While I love the look of the new Longbeards, the poses are just too static for my liking (same problem as the plastics). I like my models a bit more dynamic - even Longbeards who would probably be standing back, picking fault with the enemy even as their lances are bearing down on them.

Plus I'm a little biased that I'm forced to field them with Great Weapons this edition, when I'd be much happier to ditch the GW's and have them 2pts cheaper ;) .


Dwarfs and Skaven would work. They both need new plastics - but any starter set ones are likely to be 2-3 parts, which is always bad! So don't count on good plastics for them any time soon!Starter Dwarfs may not turn out so bad - with their compact shape, Dwarfs may be one of the better suited races for 2-3 part plastics. At any rate, I'm thinking PARTYCHICORITA might be correct about the Dwarf Plastics being completely seperate from those found in the starter set (here's hoping ;) ), particularly now that rumours are indicating we may see our plastics long before 7th Edition.

Just a thought...

Darkfang74
13-07-2005, 04:34
Well basic plastic marines are multi part, gene stealers and guants are multi-part

Starter set, I think Pete Haines said, with the few part minis are so noobs can play right out of the box with no hassle.

We shall see! I just really don't want to wait XD

Sir_Glonojad
14-07-2005, 08:36
I agree that Dwarfs need new plastics, though I doubt that the solution we want is representad by one- or two-part models from a starter set ;).

namarie
16-07-2005, 15:18
The Dwarven are reesculpted. A friend of mine told me in February he saw in GW headquarters sprues of the new dwarves - but he told me nothing more than they are more chainmail-ed...


I like the current long beards. and the iron breakers....

Me too. The Long Beards are probably the best Dwarves I've ever seen (on GW).

.-: Namarie :-.

namarie
16-07-2005, 15:21
...oh, and about the "Macragge" box :P Dwarves are a good idea, but don't know if I prefer Goblins or Skavens.

Maybe Goblins, because the O&G book needs a little revision - and what about three official lists, orks, all greens, & gobbos?

I think making a complete (and competitive) goblin list is one of the thinks that should have been done :)

.-: Namarie :-.

Xxcha
16-07-2005, 15:50
When you say they are chainmail-ed, do you mean that they are like the LOTR dwarf models because i think that they are the best dwarfs games workshop has done!

Cenyu
16-07-2005, 18:26
I would really like to see new Dwarves - their range is quite crappy in my opinion. Two examples:

The warriors look much too un-intimidating and happy + they have the "shouldered weapons" problem. The new warriors should not seem dynamic or something like that but stalwart and stubborn - just as depicted on the army book cover. "Shield wall" comes to my mind.

The hammerers´ pose (yep, there is only one) just sucks. The "hammer over head + looking sidewards" is just so silly. Give them more poses that make more sense.

If GW manages to change the miniatures´ character of the Dwarves´ range as they did with Wood Elves I´d happily jump around (well.... not really).

Tulkas
16-07-2005, 18:36
A new range of (plastic) models for Dwarfs could really see me getting back into playing Dwarfs again. I like what they did with the earlier versions of the Dwarf units. There were a bunch of Hammerer models, and all they had in common was the fact they bore hammers. Apart from that they were just well armored, individual looking Dwarfs, not something that looked like one big happy in-bred family. Same deal with the old Clansmen (of which I have quite a few). They make excellent Mordheim material by the way :D. Won't see more diversity than that!

Piet
17-07-2005, 12:51
if they renew the dwarfs i hope that they bring more wacky inventions, like the gyrocopter.

there must be some young dwarf engineers who try out new ideas. (a sort of R&D engineers)

Cenyu
17-07-2005, 14:01
Like portable machine guns and tanks? Great idea. :rolleyes:

Piet
17-07-2005, 21:23
no not machine guns or a tank. i should remain fluffy dwarfs have no use for a tank in mountainous terrain.

but more like Tau battle suits but then steampowered. which are mainly used for mining. but can also be used in battle. a mining robot so to speak.

Cenyu
17-07-2005, 21:25
Ah. Actually this is a cool idea somehow. Yep, it could bring a fresh note to the Dwarven list.

Darkfang74
18-07-2005, 05:16
I wanted to make a Dwarf "Ogre" Army by making dwarfs in clock work battle suits. It'd rule!!!!

But finding bits for a bunch of different Steam suits was a bit expenssive and rather hard.....

Darkfang74
18-07-2005, 05:22
I wanted to make a Dwarf "Ogre" Army by making dwarfs in clock work battle suits. It'd rule!!!!

But finding bits for a bunch of different Steam suits was a bit expenssive and rather hard.....

Voss
18-07-2005, 06:07
If you want steam powered battle suits, go play Warmachine.

I really hope they don't go in the steamtank direction (or wacky machines, for that matter). It doesn't really fit the 'traditional' angle they've focused on so far.

Shoggoth
18-07-2005, 09:18
Hello,i'm bearing you all some news about the battle set "a la MaCragge".

It will come out in october 2006,just after they release the 7th edition book.

it will surely contain: dwarfs AND GOBLINS (not skaven at all..and new skaven models are not even in the two year schedule,by the way).Yes goblins.

The package consist in:some NEW dwarf warriors and a cannon(new one,made in plastic) while goblins will get the new goblins models (something more small than today ones,looking more "gnoblarish" and less "cartoonish" and missproportioned) and a TROLL model (in plastic,even this).And YES,goblin will get ALSO NEW fantastic SPIDER RIDERS(maybe one or two of them will be in the starter set too)

The set will be called "Conquest of Karak eight peaks"

Sir_Glonojad
18-07-2005, 09:55
Any word of whether the Dwarf models will come from the Batallion, or be simplified versions a'la Battle of Macragge?

Lindinblade
18-07-2005, 09:56
.And YES,goblin will get ALSO NEW fantastic SPIDER RIDERS(maybe one or two of them will be in the starter set too)

The set will be called "Conquest of Karak eight peaks"


Spider riders are coming back?? Almost the coolest unit in the entire back is coming [i]back[i]? Was it last seen in 5th ed, or was it dropped when 5th was introduced?

See, I cna't even spell properly..I have to go feed one or two of my birdspiders now.

Brandir
18-07-2005, 11:35
Maybe a bum steer, but Black Industries will be releasing a sourcebook entitled Karag Azgal in Oct/Nov this year.

They will then release a sourcebook called Children of the Horned Rat in summer 2006.

Perhaps these two sorcebooks will be based on updated fluff for the two new WHFB armies?

75hastings69
18-07-2005, 12:14
..and new skaven models are not even in the two year schedule,by the way

erm.... i may not be the first to ask this, but, what is in the 2 year schedule then?

Tastyfish
18-07-2005, 16:31
I thought there was a 6 month one and nothing concrete after that?

Still spider riders I am a little dubious over, seeing as they arn't night goblin. Sounds like an extreme makeover for the O&G but as they have a battalion set and almost everything in plastic already sounds unlikely.
On the otherhand if they were going to make it more viable to have a night goblin army designed to do more than just **** people off (with fanatics and squig bombs) then some kind of cavalry would seem right.

Still I'm very doubtful about this, yet another plastic set for O&G doesn't seem all that comercially viable seeing as fantasy doesn't have a space marine equivalent or so I'm told. Think it would take up more than their fair share of space, especially with the new boxs for other armies with less plastics coming out as well and the ever popular rumours of the plastic giant.

But hey, the more I think about it the more I'd welcome plastic night goblin spider riders. Please do share the rest of the schedule if you can. I'd really like the hear what other plastic sets for the other armies are planned

75hastings69
18-07-2005, 17:46
I had heard the spider rider rumour a few months ago. As for O&G having almost everything in plastic already.......... i for one would like an update of warriors & arrer boyz! the rest of the range is pretty cool. But please if they are going to have a major overhaul of O&G kepp Trish morrison away!!!!, i'll pay for her to go on holiday whilst the minis are being designed if that's what it takes!!!!!

Xxcha
18-07-2005, 18:09
I hope brian nelson (i think its him anyway) has something to do with them because his black ocrs were amazing.

Chuffy
18-07-2005, 18:11
God new Spydorr Rydorrs would be the pinnacle of fappage.

If this starter set did come out I'd definately buy it, unlike Maccrage.

NakedFisherman
18-07-2005, 18:53
Hello,i'm bearing you all some news about the battle set "a la MaCragge".

It will come out in october 2006,just after they release the 7th edition book.

it will surely contain: dwarfs AND GOBLINS (not skaven at all..and new skaven models are not even in the two year schedule,by the way).Yes goblins.

The package consist in:some NEW dwarf warriors and a cannon(new one,made in plastic) while goblins will get the new goblins models (something more small than today ones,looking more "gnoblarish" and less "cartoonish" and missproportioned) and a TROLL model (in plastic,even this).And YES,goblin will get ALSO NEW fantastic SPIDER RIDERS(maybe one or two of them will be in the starter set too)

The set will be called "Conquest of Karak eight peaks"

I'm having trouble stomaching that since it was the Skaven that hold Karak Eight Peaks and were the proximate cause of its downfall. That's like making a boxed set called 'Rise of Nagash' and making it Vampire Counts vs. Bretonnians.

Not to mention the new Dwarfs are coming out with the army box around the holidays.

Edit: I want new Clanrats. :/

Darkfang74
18-07-2005, 19:41
I'm confused too. If the Dwarfs are going to be Christmas 05' spring '06 then why would the Dwarf starter box be late '06? Although 40k saw the IG and Necrons and Chaos are all said to be made on the 4th ed basics then I guess I can see it.

But GW would make more money if they relased a new army (Dwarfs) and had them in the starter so people would buy more Dwarfs or something

Either way I WANT MY DWARFS!!!!!! *Giddy can't wait.... ^_^*

Orcdom
18-07-2005, 21:34
but IIRC Night Goblins are the ones that first got the publicity when skarsnick became warlord over karak eight peaks.

oh and if the starter set has spiders in it or a troll for that matter, there will be more than 1 set bought for my 8K o&g army


Steve

Tastyfish
18-07-2005, 23:15
I'm having trouble stomaching that since it was the Skaven that hold Karak Eight Peaks and were the proximate cause of its downfall. That's like making a boxed set called 'Rise of Nagash' and making it Vampire Counts vs. Bretonnians.

Not to mention the new Dwarfs are coming out with the army box around the holidays.

Edit: I want new Clanrats. :/

Pretty sure it was an alliance between Skaven and Skarsnik that brought down the Dwarves, but they have recently reconquored a section but are now under permanant seige?

Karak Eight peaks without Skarsnik wouldn't be right

Orcdom
18-07-2005, 23:22
and maybe just maybe we can get a new skarsnick model with new rules.
Steve

Tastyfish
18-07-2005, 23:43
Could see that being one of the armies in a warhammer realms: Dwarven holds or suchlike

Goblin spider riders, night goblins in heavy armour stolen from dwarf tombs...

Darkfang74
19-07-2005, 00:35
I would get rather upset seeing rotten little gobos wearing Dwarf armor.... I'd have to knock some heads

samw
19-07-2005, 00:45
Goblin Ironbreakers! :p

Orcdom
19-07-2005, 02:18
the only reason for us goblins to steal armor from dem beardies is to melt it down to make sum real good kustom stikas.
oh and perty doo dads too.

Steve

NakedFisherman
19-07-2005, 02:30
Pretty sure it was an alliance between Skaven and Skarsnik that brought down the Dwarves, but they have recently reconquored a section but are now under permanant seige?

Karak Eight peaks without Skarsnik wouldn't be right

IIRC, there wasn't an alliance. The Dwarfs were holding their own aginst the Skaven and the Goblins until the invention of the Poison Wind Globe. That invention destroyed the Dwarf defenses, and IIRC a cave-in destroyed the Goblins and Clan Mors currently reigns over Karak Eight Peaks.

Darkfang74
19-07-2005, 03:21
Thats right NF. They just both happened to he buggering the Dwarfs at the same time is all

Tastyfish
19-07-2005, 03:38
IIRC, there wasn't an alliance. The Dwarfs were holding their own aginst the Skaven and the Goblins until the invention of the Poison Wind Globe. That invention destroyed the Dwarf defenses, and IIRC a cave-in destroyed the Goblins and Clan Mors currently reigns over Karak Eight Peaks.
Whilst the poison wind globe I think is recongised as being a pivotal weapon in the war, didn't the dwarves reclaim the hold afterwards (I don't have the new skaven book, only the old O&G and the WD, sure that the dwarves had lost in the O&G book but had reclaimed part of it by the release of the new dwarf book)

NakedFisherman
19-07-2005, 05:02
There was a WD a while back (maybe 6 months) about the Skaven, and if I recall it clearly mentioned the Poisoned Wind Globe being pretty much the turning point.

It's UK WD302 I think.

At any rate, here's some text about Queek.

Warlord Queek Head-taker is the right claw of Warlord Gnawdwell, the ruler of Clan Mors and the City of Pillars. Gnawdwell is one of the Lords of Decay and without doubt one of the most powerful Warlords in the Under-Empire. Warlord Gnawdwell has groomed Queek as his lieutenant since his birthing, supplying him with the best armour and weapons, protecting him from the other Lords of Decay, and staging attempted assassinations to keep Queek on his toes.

Warlord Queek has led several armies into battle against the Dwarf strongholds of the Worlds Edge Mountains and against the notorious Night Goblin Warlord Skarsnik, who holds the upper levels of Karak Eight Peaks in an iron grip.

Queek has enjoyed considerable success in these forays to date, most notably in the Battle of the North Stair, where he led Clan Mors warriors in a surprise raid on unprepared Night Goblin guards through an old sewer outlet. The Clanrats quickly swarmed over the surprised Goblins, killing most of them and enslaving the rest. Warlord Queek personally slew the Night Goblin chief, shattering the Goblins' resistance and enhancing his own fearsome reputation in the process.


Whilst the poison wind globe I think is recongised as being a pivotal weapon in the war, didn't the dwarves reclaim the hold afterwards (I don't have the new skaven book, only the old O&G and the WD, sure that the dwarves had lost in the O&G book but had reclaimed part of it by the release of the new dwarf book)

Dargon
19-07-2005, 09:18
The stalemate over posession of Karak-Eight-Peaks between the Skaven and Goblins has never been broken over their 3000 year occupation of the Dwarf hold. Each race claims equal territory over the city ruins - Skarsnik and his multitude of Goblin tribes hold most of the upper levels, while Gnawdwell and Clan Mors control most of the lower levels.

Somewhere in between, lies a small colony of Dwarfs who in the year 2473 managed to set up camp and reclaimed a small portion of the city for themselves, with Belegar declaring himself King of Karak-Eight-Peaks (just like Balin did in Moria in LotR). A large force of Dwarfs led by Duregar was sent to reinforce them in 2498, but the Dwarf army was ambushed by Skarsnik and suffered heavy losses - the survivers finding themselves besieged with the rest of the Dwarfs.

Karak-Eight-Peaks is the largest and oldest of the Dwarf Holds - it onced housed the majority of the Dwarf population before they migrated north and established their network of northern Holds. It gets it name from the fact that it's vast networks span 8 mountains (plenty large enough to house both the Skaven and Goblins without either ever managing to control it all).

The Skaven and Goblins share equal credit for removing the Dwarfs, though it was the Skaven who eventually inflicted the killing blow. The Skaven first attempted to poison the water supply with Warpstone to drive out the Dwarfs (the same method Nagash used to kill the population of Khemri), but unfortunately for the Skaven, the Goblins made leaving impossible for the Dwarfs, so over the next 100 years the Dwarfs slowly lost the city room by room to the Goblins above and the Skaven below. The Goblins were vastly more successful than the Skaven, conquering the entire upper levels while the Skaven made little progress. Finally, the Skaven unleashed their Poison Wind to overwhelm the Dwarfs - finally driving them out and catching up with the Goblins in conquered territory.

Currently, the Dwarfs are embedded in a citadel on the surface, under constant attack from Skarsnik, who has made a sport of hunting and tormenting them. It is not known what interest the Skaven have in the Dwarfs, or if they have yet even noticed the Dwarfs presence there.

Just a thought...

Tastyfish
19-07-2005, 11:44
Reading the quote naked Fisherman gave I would say that the kiling of the goblins and slayings of chiefs is referring to those in the North stair, rather than the entire goblin population.