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Slekith
12-01-2007, 21:33
I can't wait to get my hands on this new game but first I'd like to know what is the regular / common "army" size. Can someone give me some advice on it? How many aircrafts show I buy and stuff like that, a sample "army" list would be just perfect! Thank you very much.

May the sons of the emperor rule over the skies of the 41st century!!!

t-tauri
12-01-2007, 22:17
Scenarios in the book run from 2-12 models a side. Points battles will vary depending on agreed limits. I posted a brief sketch on the scenario forces when the book arrived.

Mine arrived this morning. The scenarios in the rulebook have between three and twelve or so models a side. Models used are the planes and the anti-aircraft guns.

I've only flicked through and had a scan over the scenarios. For Imperials 2/4 fighters and single bombers is average, though the bomber raid has 4 bombers, eight fighters. Fighters always in pairs for Imperials. Valks, Thunderhawks and arvuses used for insertion missions. Chaos one to five fighters, one or two bombers. Orks and Tau similar. They all use AA vehicles or platforms in certain scenarios.

As well as the scenarios there are points lists values for all available units.

The Judge
13-01-2007, 09:16
Having played it a few times, I would go for four a side at the start, maybe a 100pt game or less. That takes around an hour or more when learning, and isn;t too hard on the paperwork.

Tastyfish
13-01-2007, 09:24
Are there any obvious issues with oversized armies? BFG is only usually played with the same smallish number of ships but works just as well into the 8000+ range as well. Not saying I'd be getting that many flyers but the urge to play proper battle of britain style games with loads of aircraft is tempting

fattdex
13-01-2007, 09:39
what models are used for the ork,tau, marine and eldar anti-aircraft tanks?

Greblord
13-01-2007, 11:39
what models are used for the ork,tau, marine and eldar anti-aircraft tanks?

look in the relevant epic sections on the forgeworld and GW sites.

Ork flakwagon, Tau Skyray, Marine whirlwind(??) eldar dunno...

ml2sjw
13-01-2007, 11:54
look in the relevant epic sections on the forgeworld and GW sites.

Ork flakwagon, Tau Skyray, Marine whirlwind(??) eldar dunno...

eldar is the firestorm

Rictus
13-01-2007, 11:58
what models are used for the ork,tau, marine and eldar anti-aircraft tanks?

Orks have flak wagons and 'eavy flak kannon,
Tau have the skyray,
Marines have the Hyperios missile launcher system and
Eldar have the Firestorm.

I don't think most of them have got models yet either by GW or FW.

Gen.Steiner
13-01-2007, 12:13
I don't think most of them have got models yet either by GW or FW.

Yes they do.

Guard have the Hydra (GW),
Space Marines have the Hyperios (GW),
Orks have the Flakwagon (GW);
Tau Skyray is FW.

ml2sjw
13-01-2007, 12:24
not 100% certain on this as my book is yet to arrive(grumble moan whine bitch) but i don't think their are rules for the hyperios in AI rule book all the rest are in i think

Also the imperials get the manticore(both forge world and GW) apparently it has a longer reach(in terms of altitude) than the hydra.. not sure on the rest of the stats though

The fire storm is also available from GW but i'd wait for forge world to produce one

Rictus
13-01-2007, 16:42
Yes they do.

Guard have the Hydra (GW),
Space Marines have the Hyperios (GW),
Orks have the Flakwagon (GW);
Tau Skyray is FW.

He didn't ask about Guard so I didn't mention their options or availablity model wise (see below). I missed the Ork flak wagons on the GW site. There isn't an Ork 'eavy flak cannon yet. I now realise the Whirlwind in the GW range can be a stand in for a Whirlwind Hyperios, I was thinking of the weapon platform which hasn't been done by GW or FW (yet).


not 100% certain on this as my book is yet to arrive(grumble moan whine bitch) but i don't think their are rules for the hyperios in AI rule book all the rest are in i think

Also the imperials get the manticore(both forge world and GW) apparently it has a longer reach(in terms of altitude) than the hydra.. not sure on the rest of the stats though

The fire storm is also available from GW but i'd wait for forge world to produce one

There are rules for the Hyperios in AI (AA Weapons data table, page 15). Manticore has the same max range as the Hydra, has less shots but can do more damage and can reach a much higher altitude. Guard can also use Sabre platforms but these have a shorter range and very limited altitude when compared to the other Guard AA options. Their last option is a Heavy Flak Gun.

orangesm
13-01-2007, 17:06
Update to the list of where models can be found

Imperial Guard Hydra (GW or FW)
Space Marines Hyperios Whirlwind (no model, although GW Epic Whirlwind will work)
or Hunter (GW not in rules for AeroImp)
Ork Flakwagon (GW)
Tau Skyray (FW)
Eldar Firestorm (GW)

Imperial Guard Manticores are normally an Artillery vehicle - must have a special ammunition for use as a mobile SAM.

***warning sarcasm***
Army Size? what armies? all I see is Air Forces and ADS units (maybe from the Armies)... there are large formations of grunts in AeroImp? Next thing you known there will be large water/space vessels† involved and people will be talking about fleets...
***end sarcasm***

†From the Epic:Armageddon Rules 4.3 Aerospace Operations
"Even a small Imperial Lunar class Cruiser would be over 5 metres long if we made an Epic scale model of it."

greenmtvince
13-01-2007, 17:52
Don't forget, for Imp/Ork Heavy Flak a Basilisk/Earthshaker platform will work perfectly. According to the pic in the book it's just the earthshaker without the gun shield.

orangesm
13-01-2007, 18:09
There is another Imperial AA weapon from Epic in the Siegemaster list called the Blitzen which is pretty much an 88 like those form WW2.

Christine
13-01-2007, 19:05
Of course there's always the Magna-Cannon for the Orks but you'll prolly need to either cook up rules or proxy it with other rules.

Slekith
13-01-2007, 23:05
Thanks for all the replies. I've placed my order today:

4 Thunderbolts
2 Lightnings
1 Marauder Destroyer
2 Valkiries

Hope it's enought! Can anyone tell me what's the total point value of this wing?

marv335
13-01-2007, 23:47
Thanks for all the replies. I've placed my order today:

4 Thunderbolts
2 Lightnings
1 Marauder Destroyer
2 Valkiries

Hope it's enought! Can anyone tell me what's the total point value of this wing?

with all the available weapons upgrades you're looking at 200pts exactly.

fattdex
14-01-2007, 02:04
woo, that's pretty cool. I think I will order the same, plus an arvus- would it be better to get one or two arvus for the escort missions??

or, I suppose valkries count as transports too don't they so I wouldn't need the arvus?

Spacker
14-01-2007, 07:49
A Valkyrie is more than twice the cost of an Arvus - but it does have double the transport capacity, weapon loadout options, weapons included in the cost, and it can upgrade to jump troops. Unless you desperately need to keep the points down, I'd go with Valkyries as transports.

fattdex
14-01-2007, 08:35
Thanks for the info- I think I will stick with Slekith's list for a 200 point imperial force. What type of lightnings should those be?

And for Chaos, would 6 fighters and 2 bombers be approaching a 200 points force?

Spacker
14-01-2007, 09:08
Thanks for the info- I think I will stick with Slekith's list for a 200 point imperial force. What type of lightnings should those be?


Both Lightnings are the same cost, so you need to decide what weapon loadout you'd prefer. The Attack version has an Autocannon and Twin Las, the Strike version replaces the Autocannon with a Hellstrike missile. Weapon loadout options are the same for both variants.



And for Chaos, would 6 fighters and 2 bombers be approaching a 200 points force?


That would be 120 - 128 depending on bomber weapon loads.

fattdex
14-01-2007, 09:35
oh :P how bout.. 8-9 fighters /2-4 bombers... just going on the numbers of models FW sells ina pack hehe

fistofdorn
14-01-2007, 09:52
what about a nice 200 pt ork fleet.....

i got no idea atm

cheers chris

njbumper
15-01-2007, 03:41
Tau Skyray (FW)

Was just on the FW site did not find the Tau Skyray did I miss something

fattdex
15-01-2007, 04:03
Epic scale skyray (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/cgi-local/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eforgeworld% 2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=skyray&PN=QUATERMASTERS_STORE_EPIC_40_000_TAU_14%2ehtml%2 3aSG_2dEPC_2dT_2d039#aSG_2dEPC_2dT_2d039)

I just put skyray into the search field on the forgeworld website, ftw.

Athmos
15-01-2007, 11:47
skyray is FW only;
manticore, hydra, hyperios/hunter (notice that FW hyperios is the same as epic GW whirlwind, model wise), flakWagon and firestorm are all available from either GW specialist game range or FW epic range.

Only FW does the weapon platform when they exist tho (hydra, manticore platform)

Epic models will do nice objectives too.

And no one can forbid you to use GW speciaalist game range of aircrafts if you'd like to do so... they are usually smaller and less detailed, but nice too and cheapper.

Athmos