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Lavadude360
17-04-2007, 16:34
Well I'm in a pickle. (not literally).

What is the biggest points value that should really be played on a 4x4 table. I know its lower than 1500 (that's crazy).

Please help me warseerers.

kaimarion
17-04-2007, 16:40
I normaly play 1500pts on 4x4 table
but for larger games i use a 6x4 table

mattjgilbert
17-04-2007, 16:43
I think 4x4 supports games up to 1000 pts. Larger thatn that and you can start to get cramped for space and room to move.

tuebor
17-04-2007, 16:53
I think 4x4 supports games up to 1000 pts. Larger thatn that and you can start to get cramped for space and room to move.

That's my rule as well. I played in a shop that only had two 4x4 tables and for some reason everyone wanted to play 1500 and 1850 point games on them. Needless to say, CC armies did quite well in all our tournaments.

niknokitueu
17-04-2007, 17:20
That's my rule as well. I played in a shop that only had two 4x4 tables and for some reason everyone wanted to play 1500 and 1850 point games on them. Needless to say, CC armies did quite well in all our tournaments.
I dunno about that - Orks are a CC army, and I shudder at the thought of meeting a pie-plate army of doom with 140+ models squished onto a 4ft deployment. Talk about a target-rich environment...

Have Fun!
Niknokitueu

Lord Malek The Red Knight
17-04-2007, 17:24
it depends on the army, to be honest. small elite armies could probably get wy with 1500 pts or at least say 1250, where as hoard armies could struggle at 1000.

i like CP games on a 4x4 - lots of room to manoeuver, and plenty of space for Terrain.

~ Tim

UncleCrazy
17-04-2007, 17:46
The shop that close here in Taipei only had 4x4. We played 1500 pts on them, but it is not fair for many armies. Less than 1500 should be ok for most armies. Whooo Whoo 100th post!!!

mjc1000
17-04-2007, 19:14
my deathwing army could go 1750-2000:D but with most i would say stick to the main way the big 1k game played in gw's around the world:D

Locke
17-04-2007, 19:22
try to use 4x6 as much as possible, tactics break down on smaller tables as everything gets funnelled to the center of the table, and from the center a 24" weapon can shoot everything on the board.

kermit
17-04-2007, 19:25
The only thing at my local store are 4X4 tables... this weekend 2000pts... it is going to be the suck... I would say 1500pts is pushing the size and game play of a 4x4 table.

(at least I am running 2 land raiders, 2 crusaders and 4 tornados... so I shouldn't have a problem!)

Lord Balian
17-04-2007, 19:59
If my games go over 1000 points, I go on a bigger table then 4x4. Maybe push it to 1200 but that would be absolute max on a 4x4.

You just run out of deployment space, and the cramped table changes a lot of tactics.

Bunnahabhain
17-04-2007, 20:07
1000 at absolute maximum on a 4x4 for 40k.

I'm a Guard player so don't really like the cramping effect of too many troops in too small a space.

Samaeus
17-04-2007, 20:16
... where as hoard armies could struggle at 1000.

Visions of legions of magpies, with nests full of lots of shiny bolters :p

OT: I often play 1500 on 4x4. I'm not generally cramped, but it really does limit the tactical uses of ranges over 48 and speedy vehicles, so I have to agree that 6x4 is best whenever you can get away with it.

Bob5000
17-04-2007, 20:26
I really notice the difference when I get to play 6X4 at 1500 , but that is rare, mostly 1500 on 4X4 at local GW .
My Tau really could do with 6X4 , more ' running away '.. er .. I mean
'strategic withdrawal ' room for the Hammerheads etc . and my Eldar skimmers could do with the room .

Quin 242
17-04-2007, 20:47
Depends on if it's for a fun game with your partners or in a tournement.

We used to squeeze sick points onto tables just for the carnage factor :) But that was back in 2nd so not as many models...

But unless it's a competitive thing, play how you like and enjoy the games you get. It will benefit some armies at higher points and hamper others.

mattjgilbert
17-04-2007, 23:05
Playtesting for 40K will have been done using 6x4 tables aimed at armies of 1500 to 200 points so that is the "average" game/table size I would guess.

4x4 table = CP games and normal games up to 1000 points
6x4 table = games up to 2500 points
8x4 table = games up to 5000 points
XxX table = you have lots of painting to do

Bunnahabhain
17-04-2007, 23:35
5k on an 8x4? I've tried 4k of Guard on an 8x4, and I have to deploy across the whole board in close order just to fit......

Norminator
17-04-2007, 23:48
I play 1500 points on a 4x4 table, but that's because it's all I've got. I'd say 1000pts is optimum.

mattjgilbert
18-04-2007, 09:14
5k on an 8x4? I've tried 4k of Guard on an 8x4, and I have to deploy across the whole board in close order just to fit......There will always be armies that break any guideline like that. I was making random extrapolations. You could probably fit 5K of some chaos armies on a 2x2 board :p

spacemonkey
18-04-2007, 09:21
I play the majority of my games on 4x4 boards, usually in the 1250-1500 point range and has worked fine for me, but anything over 1500 should really be played on a larger board.

tuebor
18-04-2007, 11:49
I dunno about that - Orks are a CC army, and I shudder at the thought of meeting a pie-plate army of doom with 140+ models squished onto a 4ft deployment. Talk about a target-rich environment...

Have Fun!
Niknokitueu

Our Ork players did quite well. Even with my 3 pie plates I never could kill enough Orks before they got to me, and since my poor Guardsmen had nowhere to run I'd get slaughtered from turn 3 on. Our top 3 tournament winners every tournament were (in this order) Tyranids (3d Ed rules), Orks, and a Khorne Berserker army.

Minister
18-04-2007, 13:33
My rule of thumb has always been two foot of table width plus another two foot for every 1000 points or part thereof. Seems to work fine for 40K and Fantasy alike (though obviously the 40K tables need more stuff on them).

Maarten
18-04-2007, 13:50
That is a nice rule of thumb :)

mattjgilbert
18-04-2007, 16:11
That is a nice rule of thumb :)It's also a big thumb!

Carlos
18-04-2007, 17:10
Ive played 4000+ on small 2x5 tables before. We let people use the reserves rule so the table didnt get too cramped and we were fine.