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jp22102000
30-04-2007, 02:17
what other licensed products would you like to see GW do? i would really love a good Star Wars wargame.

Winimperial
30-04-2007, 03:11
World War 2 on a 25mm scale.

Mabey they should try going historical for a change, but then again, GW is full of control freaks when it comes to the backround of the game.

Bretagne
30-04-2007, 03:45
star wars, or Willow.

Varath- Lord Impaler
30-04-2007, 04:10
....wheres Wally, the wargame

insaniak
30-04-2007, 04:15
what other licensed products would you like to see GW do? i would really love a good Star Wars wargame.

There's already a good Star Wars wargame out there... so long as you can get over the dodgy paintjobs. Although they repaint quite well.


If GW were to take on other licenses, which they won't, I'd want it to be something completely different to their existing games. They could have done a pretty decent Marvel/DC/Whatever superhero game if they had been so inclined (and, again, if someone else didn't already have the licenses...).

A skirmish game based on Pratchett's Discworld series would be fun :)

violenceha
30-04-2007, 04:25
Transformers!

Bookwrak
30-04-2007, 04:27
World War 2 on a 25mm scale.

Mabey they should try going historical for a change, but then again, GW is full of control freaks when it comes to the backround of the game.

I'm going to assume you're never seen Warhammer: Ancient Battles then.

insaniak
30-04-2007, 04:42
Seeing as how it isn't sold in GW stores, and so far as I've seen hasn't been so much as mentioned by GW since it was released, I'd be completely unsurprised if the majority of people currently playing 40K and WHFB have never heard of Warhammer Ancient Battles.

starlight
30-04-2007, 05:44
Every time this comes up I have the same answer.

Let's get it right with the stuff they have first. Armies that have gone eight years without a Codex revision. Books with spelling mistakes and copy/paste errors. Armies without the full range of models.

When they get the existing stuff right *then* let's look outside, but not until *then*.

Griefbringer
30-04-2007, 06:31
Seeing as how it isn't sold in GW stores, and so far as I've seen hasn't been so much as mentioned by GW since it was released, I'd be completely unsurprised if the majority of people currently playing 40K and WHFB have never heard of Warhammer Ancient Battles.

Actually, there used to be occasional references in WD about new WAB supplements released, though I do not recall having seen any of those lately (though that might also be due to me paying low attention to WD these days).

The game is afoot
30-04-2007, 06:45
Diversification would be a great boon to their retail sector right now but it doesn't work with their retail footprint.
GW doesn't function by getting people into the store to give them 'Intro' games for another company's product.
That is not going to 'grow' their own business and 'many' of those games made by other companies are cheaper alternatives to what GW produces.
It would be suicide for the GW retail chain to take on outside products that compete with their own systems.

If GW sold 'War Machine' in their stores then very soon 40K would die a lonely death.
Wherever it goes 'War Machine' is like a virus that kills 40K and goes on to grow and multiply... it must be causing serious consternation in the GW boardroom.

It's a nice idea but as 'Starlight' has pointed out already in this thread perhaps it would be better if they improved their own products first before taking on any external sources products.

AMBS
30-04-2007, 06:47
The only problem with GW obtaining licences to produce themed games is that their rules will always be wildly different from 40K and WFB as well as their models being in a totally different scale.

Now had LOTR been in GW's regular scale and played a little like Mordheim it probably wouldn't have been such a long term flop.

Harry
30-04-2007, 07:06
If GW sold 'War Machine' in their stores then very soon 40K would die a lonely death.
Wherever it goes 'War Machine' is like a virus that kills 40K and goes on to grow and multiply... it must be causing serious consternation in the GW boardroom.

Not so much.
The most recent sales figures show a massive slowdown in new players buying in to Warmachine.
For a number of reasons GW is recapturing the independant space in the US. War Machine is solid but GW is rock hard.

There are other good systems out there and lots of amazing minis. (which you have done a fantastic 'round-up' of in your recent posts from Salute) but it will be a long time before any of these other manufacturers cause anything like 'serious consternation in the GW boardroom'. (Again there are a number of reasons for this so I am not looking for an off topic debate on who has the best games or the best mini's).

For my money GW should avoid any and all future licence opportunities and concentrate all their efforts into the core games they have. I want support and encouragement to play these games in different ways. City Fight was a great supplement and Apocalypse will have a huge impact on 40K. For fantasy I would like siege, skirmish, rules for big boats, and scenario packs. Hopefully the Campaign supplement 'Mighty Empires' is the first of many supplements. In this way they will break away from the 2000 point, tournament balanced, pitched battle and add the variety to warhammer that will keep it fun and exciting to play.

Having said that I think the return of some of their great games like Talisman, Space Hulk. Man O War, Warhammer Quest, etc would be a great bonus. They already have a big following amongst existing players and they would act as great 'stand alone ' introductory games for newcomers to the hobby. As stand alone game sthey can be rolled out with minimum support and thus minimum distraction from the core games.

starlight
30-04-2007, 07:18
Agreed. More Entry Level stuff that directs new gamers to the Core Games and support for the Specialist Games so they have somewhere to go next.

The game is afoot
30-04-2007, 07:22
'War Machine' is nailing it in Europe though Harry, a massive retail market where GW have recently suffered a retail catastrophe with their Independent stores clocking up a 2.1 million Euro deficit (thats 2.86 million US dollars) as they move away from GW toward other manufacturers in the last 6 monthly report published.
In the high density gaming club environment of the UK, 'War Machine' is choking the life out of 40K.
Especially among the older gamers.
Yeah I know, War Machine still appears to be new and fresh but it has been out for a while now and part of what makes it seem new is that Privateer Press seem to be really capable of keeping their customers happy on their forum and by bringing out regular new releases of very high quality.
It doesn't hurt that it is cheaper to get started in War Machine, a WM army is a lot cheaper than a 40K army and the rules are more streamlined.
I never thought anyone would play WM at my local club which is very pro GW systems, but now there is a real battle going on between the two systems. Other clubs, much larger than mine have taken it up to the point where 40K has died a death.
I wonder if it will be long before WM starts to hold tournaments in the UK?

insaniak
30-04-2007, 07:27
Diversification would be a great boon to their retail sector right now but it doesn't work with their retail footprint.
GW doesn't function by getting people into the store to give them 'Intro' games for another company's product.

Nobody was talking about GW selling other companies' product.

The original question was about taking on licenses, as they did with LOTR.

Their own game, just based on someone else's setting.



Which, of course, GW have said they won't do again... so this really becomes more of a hypothetical 'What game would you like to see made' sort of thread...

Harry
30-04-2007, 07:27
Hang on chaps I just this second finished typing and editing my post and i already had two responces!

The game is afoot
30-04-2007, 07:31
Come on Harry, we'll wait for you.

The game is afoot
30-04-2007, 07:35
Nobody was talking about GW selling other companies' product.

The original question was about taking on licenses, as they did with LOTR.

Their own game, just based on someone else's setting.

... and as soon as the franchise clock ticks out it will be someone elses game and product again.

starlight
30-04-2007, 07:41
GW already renewed it for another ten years. Apparenty the powers that be are happy with how things are going.

Jedi152
30-04-2007, 07:52
I ran a thread like this about a year or two ago.

My suggestion was a Space Hulk like Aliens game - and the Predator expansions can't be ignored...

Damien 1427
30-04-2007, 07:59
A Doctor Who game wouldn't go amiss. Then again, nor would something a bit more radical... Such as a completley new setting.

Star Wars would be great, but the license is held by Wizards of the Coast (Whose current offering is crap), who are in turn owned by Hasbro. Don't expect GW getting hold of it soon.

Harry
30-04-2007, 08:02
@ Starlight.

I think they have realised that the 'side-lining' of specialist games didn't work out so well. I think they will try to bring them back 'in house' wherever possible.

@The game is afoot.

To be honest I don't know much about buisness. Full stop. (I just collect toy soldiers) But is what has happened in europe not exactly what happened in the us a couple of years ago and will they not be able to improve relationships with retailers in europe to turn this around as they have recently done in the US?

GW are also capable of keeping their customers happy with regular new releases of High quality.
Especially if they concentrate their efforts on their core games.

I can't comment on what is happening in gaming clubs across the country but I am not so sure how much impact what is played in Gaming clubs has on what people play. I would imagine clubs are not most people introduction to the hobby but rather something people find after they have been intpo it for a while.

@Jedi

I would buy that. A one off stand alone game based on Aliens (The second movie with Hicks and Hudson."where in some pretty ********** ***** now man").

@Damien

They used to have the DR. Who licnece and produced a range of minis back in the 80's. (But that was back in the days of Role-play!)

Starwars would be the only serious contender for a setting with enough background and battles on a scalelarge enough to sell enough minis to maket it worth the licence but I hope they never get their hands on it and concentrate their efforts on their own backgrounds.

N0-1_H3r3
30-04-2007, 08:48
They could have done a pretty decent Marvel/DC/Whatever superhero game if they had been so inclined (and, again, if someone else didn't already have the licenses...).
Do they? Last I heard, Black Industries (part of BL Publishing, which is in turn part of the GW Group) had the rights to produce a DC Universe RPG. They're concentrating on WFRP and 40kRP (their flagship products, and the ones that would get them lynched if they didn't do) and ensuring that both those lines are well-established, and are preparing to release the 4th Edition of Talisman later this year, but they've had the DCU licence since late 2005, ready to be used as soon as BI are ready.

rrchristensen
30-04-2007, 09:00
what other licensed products would you like to see GW do? i would really love a good Star Wars wargame.

Dilbert, the Game of Office Warfare.

insaniak
30-04-2007, 12:11
... and as soon as the franchise clock ticks out it will be someone elses game and product again.

Er... no it wouldn't.

GW's Lord of the Rings game remains GW's Lord of the Rings game, even after the license expires. They just can't sell it any more, from that point.

Some else may take up the license (assuming GW ever allow it to lapse) and produce an entirely different game based on the same license. But they wouldn't be producing the same game unless they bought it from GW with the appropriate production rights...

Just as GW could (assuming they wanted to) purchase the Star Wars license from Lucas if WotC allowed it to lapse, and produce their own Star Wars game. They wouldn't be selling the WotC Star Wars game, they would be selling the GW Star Wars game...


That's an entirely different kettle of fish to just selling Warmachine in GW stores.



Do they? Last I heard, Black Industries (part of BL Publishing, which is in turn part of the GW Group) had the rights to produce a DC Universe RPG.

They might have the rights to the RPG, but Wizkids have the rights to the miniatures game... although Heroclix does seem to have died off somewhat over the last couple of years.

That's the fun thing about licenses... different companies often wind up with different parts of them.

As a fun example, WotC, who currently have the license for Star Wars Miniatures, have a Star Wars Starship Battles game.

Wizkids, who currently have the license for Star Wars trading cards, are producing a Starship battles game of their own, using plasticard pop-out-and-assemble ships (ala Pirates of the Spanish Main) that fit into their license since they are technically collectible trading cards rather than miniatures...

revford
30-04-2007, 12:12
We all know it's not likely to happen, but Aliens/Predator or Doctor Who are the most likely to produce good games.

They would redress the scifi/fantasy balance, giving us a Rings based scifi game.

Doctor Who would be especially good as it's very British, armies could include Daleks, Cybermen, Torchwood and UNIT for starters, with wackier aliens and gribblies to follow. Could suit the 'Journey' style games with The Doctor, or Captain Jack and their teams taking the place of The Fellowship.

Aliens Vs Predator, you have the scope of the movies plus the comics 'expanded universe' stuff when you wear them out. Forces to start with could be Predators, Aliens and Colonial Marines. Expand this out with Journey supplements for each of the movies, so have Arnie and his unit from Predator or Ripley and the crew of the Nostromo from Alien.

Either could be good, and who wouldn't buy a box of plastic Daleks? EXTERMINATE!

OrlyggJafnakol
30-04-2007, 12:51
GW did a Doctor Who game back in the 1980s. I would welcome one. I remember playing the old Harlequin version back in my uni days (they used the classic series) and it had plenty of material. Dr Who is a pretty big thing in the UK at the moment (don't know about the rest of the world!) and a miniatures game along the lines of Heroquest would sell really well if it was marketed through Toys R Us as well as their stores. However, GW are now a global company and the days of them releasing British Culture type games are long gone, I doubt the Doctor has the brand clout to be worthwhile worldwide!

I'd love to see one though!

revford
30-04-2007, 13:15
The old Harlequin models and game are still available, from Black Tree Design, who seem to be the current inheritors of the Harlequin/Grenadier range.

http://www.black-tree-design.com/

OrlyggJafnakol
30-04-2007, 18:39
Suddenly thought, how about Frank Herbert's Dune as a game?

Or they could do Elric again.

t-tauri
30-04-2007, 19:26
The old Harlequin models and game are still available, from Black Tree Design, who seem to be the current inheritors of the Harlequin/Grenadier range.

http://www.black-tree-design.com/

I'm astonished the BBC hasn't jumped on them for this as Black Tree don't seem to have a licence any more but have kept on making the miniatures.
Or they could do Elric again.They'll have to shoot Moorcock and negotiate with his estate, I think. By all accounts he's somewhat annoyed with the amount of his background material which made it's way into the Warhammer universe and relations with GW could best be described as "poor".

Crube
30-04-2007, 19:34
Personally, I would like to see GW concentrate on the games they have, and make a decent job out of them

To my mind, any extra licences would detract from decent other GW games lilke Man O War, etc, and probably be seen as just some sort of cash cow.

Having said that, tying Space HUlk in to an Aliens franchise could work...

cybertrophic
30-04-2007, 21:53
Well, I've been away from the forum for a while (damned real life gets in the way of all the fun stuff!), but I thought I'd chuck in my tuppence worth...

First of all, this thread isn't about whether GW should make their existing games perfect before considering a new franchise, it's about what franchise you'd like to see, in which case, just assume that the bugs are all fixed and they are looking for a new venture at that point. That should allow us all to stick to the point of the original post. :-)

Ok, for my sins, I think that a Firefly/Serenity game would work well - you've got a game mechanic in things like mordheim/gorkamorka/necromunda to run your crew, you could have a BFG-style in-space section and even fight the Alliance/Browncoat war in large scale (35mm Battle of Serenity Valley, anyone?) - there is a rabid fan base (hell, the fans basically forced the production of a $38Million movie), which is large and growing and the "Wild West meets Outer Space (with a dash of Chinese)" universe is unique enough to steer clear of 40k (I swear I won't mention the old days of Rogue Trader and unlimited worlds...!) and has a nice feel to it that sucks people in.

Or how about a Greek Mythology game? A sort of "300 meets Jason and the Argonauts" - chariots, men in sandals, monsters, demi-gods. All the fun and it could even be marketed to schools as a tool to teach history (hey, I'm trying to think laterally, here...). Expansions could follow the LoTR "journey" packs and cover things like Odysseus's' voyage, etc.

I think we have to look at Sci-Fi or Fantasy, as let's face it, Napoleonic is a saturated market and you could buy any number of 1/35 modern/WW2 kits to cover that aspect...

Another idea would be a Pirates of The Caribbean game - starter box has two ships, two crews and you duke it out in ship-to-ship warfare, with boarding parties (mechanic similar to Necromunda/Mordheim for miniature combat). Expansions could allow for port towns, islands, even things like Davey Jones' undead crew...that's got to be worth a punt. And the models would be great fun to make/paint...

One final idea - Halo. Big story, lots of gribblies, heroic Master Chief and fast paced combat. Might be too similar to 40k though.

starlight
30-04-2007, 21:56
In that light I'd go for a Serenity/Firefly port to Inquisitor/Necromunda. The BFG/40K options are there as well.

insaniak
30-04-2007, 22:20
I'm astonished the BBC hasn't jumped on them for this as Black Tree don't seem to have a licence any more but have kept on making the miniatures.

They aren't actually still making them (or at least so they say)... the Doctor Who stock for sale through Black Tree at the moment is supposedly from a carton of old miniatures that was found at the back of their warehouse a while back. ;)

t-tauri
30-04-2007, 22:29
They aren't actually still making them (or at least so they say)... the Doctor Who stock for sale through Black Tree at the moment is supposedly from a carton of old miniatures that was found at the back of their warehouse a while back. ;)I am certain that is 100% correct. :rolleyes:

The carton just has the capacity of a certain police box.

revford
30-04-2007, 22:37
Or how about a Greek Mythology game? A sort of "300 meets Jason and the Argonauts" - chariots, men in sandals, monsters, demi-gods. All the fun and it could even be marketed to schools as a tool to teach history (hey, I'm trying to think laterally, here...). Expansions could follow the LoTR "journey" packs and cover things like Odysseus's' voyage, etc.


Wargames Journal has been running this very thing over the last few issues, Greek Myth rules and stats using Rings. This month it's Jason and the Argonauts and Hercules.




Another idea would be a Pirates of The Caribbean game - starter box has two ships, two crews and you duke it out in ship-to-ship warfare, with boarding parties (mechanic similar to Necromunda/Mordheim for miniature combat). Expansions could allow for port towns, islands, even things like Davey Jones' undead crew...that's got to be worth a punt. And the models would be great fun to make/paint...


Coming from Warhammer Historical this summer, called 'Legends of the High Seas'. :)

There are a few places that make models of Zombie Pirates suitable and I've even seen a Davey Jones about.

The game is afoot
30-04-2007, 23:00
I think they have realised that the 'side-lining' of specialist games didn't work out so well. I think they will try to bring them back 'in house' wherever possible.


I admire your optimism Harry, I wish I shared it.
The 'suits' have been myopically, even slavishly focussed on the core games and nothing else for the last few years.
The reason given for not supporting peripheral game systems is a lack of shelf space in the stores. There is 'some' truth in that.
It is a real shame because games like Mordheim deserve a bigger audience.



But is what has happened in europe not exactly what happened in the us a couple of years ago and will they not be able to improve relationships with retailers in europe to turn this around as they have recently done in the US?


The difference there is that the initiative that caused problems in the USA a few years ago were GW driven. Essentially the Indies in the USA were very grumpy at the way GW were conducting themselves.
The recent initiative in Europe was caused by Independents dumping GW because the price point is too high and they can't shift the product and correspondingly cannot make a profiit from it.


GW are also capable of keeping their customers happy with regular new releases of High quality.

I think it's really been some time now since this was the case.
For summer we have a collection of buildings and assortment of race releases that should have come out with their respective race release. Instead we are getting them months after the fact.
For 40K... Cityfight?? , thats been done twice already in the last 9 years.
Thank heavens for the LotR models, they are the pinnacle of GW invention and sculpting for the last few years.

Winimperial
01-05-2007, 00:18
I'm going to assume you're never seen Warhammer: Ancient Battles then.

I know of it, but did they actually have models for it?

revford
01-05-2007, 00:26
I know of it, but did they actually have models for it?

Warhammer Historical games only produce rules and a few limited edition character models.

The wonder of historical games is that there are so many places to get models that there isn't a need for GW to make them.

swordwind
01-05-2007, 00:26
I know of it, but did they actually have models for it?

What would be the point when theres thousands upon thousands upon thousands of other companies that make them, often for much less than GW would charge.

One thing I've noticed in this thread is that for the most part, all of the suggestions have been or are being done by other companies already :)

revford
01-05-2007, 00:29
One thing I've noticed in this thread is that for the most part, all of the suggestions have been or are being done by other companies already :)


That's because they are good ideas. :)

Only thing I can't think of as being done already is Firefly, mostly because it's newfangled and no one has gotten around to it yet.

starlight
01-05-2007, 02:16
Well there *is* an RPG for it.:D

....must get one day....

liquiddream78
01-05-2007, 03:28
I really like the PvA idea. That would be great if they were to pick up that license. There is much they could do with that and those figs would look great.

I know some of you have been talking about "Dr. Who" and I must say people in the USA have never really heard of that show. The only thing I have ever seen by that, is the books I have seen. Maybe I should check it out since it's so popular in England.

selfconstrukt
01-05-2007, 03:35
How about Terry Goodkind's "Sword of Truth" series. Set in a fantasy world with lots of huge battles. I love the series and would buy a game or just miniatures for it.

Maybe an RPG or skirmish game for "Chronicles of Riddick" or evern a skirmish based "300" game.

Then again, I remember one of the employees at Memphis say GW mainly got the LOTR licence to keep another from getting it. Not sure how much truth there is to that.

Anything would be goos, since they don't seem to want to put any effort into their current systems.

selfconstrukt
01-05-2007, 03:35
Man my typing sucks......

insaniak
01-05-2007, 03:41
Then again, I remember one of the employees at Memphis say GW mainly got the LOTR licence to keep another from getting it. Not sure how much truth there is to that.

They took LOTR because it's LOTR. They just couldn't pass up the opportunity to do a game based on the grand-daddy of modern Fantasy.

At least, that's the reason given publicly. And given the amount of effort that they poured into it, I'm inclined to believe it...

insaniak
01-05-2007, 03:42
I really like the PvA idea. That would be great if they were to pick up that license. There is much they could do with that and those figs would look great.

The Aliens and Predator miniature rights are currently sitting with Wizkids... they have miniatures out in their 'Horrorclix' range that are actually pretty good.

dodicula
01-05-2007, 03:59
Barn Yard Commandos, I would like to see GW take BarnYard commandos to a new level

dodicula
01-05-2007, 04:00
Also, I would love to see them make a nice set of minis for Flyntloque

Bretagne
01-05-2007, 04:26
GI Joe. Im talking about the super tall ones from the 70's. now THERE'S a toy soldier. Try getting terrain for that.

jp22102000
01-05-2007, 05:18
i wouldn't mind seeing Harry Potter figurines, only for my bloodbowl/quidditch conversion

Harry
01-05-2007, 06:47
Asterix the Gaul.

(Someone once did three great sets of minis gauls , romans and the pirates).

But a full range enough to turn out an army of Romans and Gauls would be a winner.

revford
01-05-2007, 11:28
Maybe an RPG or skirmish game for "Chronicles of Riddick" or evern a skirmish based "300" game.


Well, models wise, Heresy do a model that while for legal reasons is not Riddick, it could be used as him:

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/pages/hsf006.htm


For the 300, try Croc Games:

http://www.crocodilegames.com/news_detail.asp?ID=89&Month=&Year=2007



GI Joe. Im talking about the super tall ones from the 70's. now THERE'S a toy soldier. Try getting terrain for that.

Ah Yes, those would be what we in the UK remember as 'Action Man', the 12" tall soldier-barbie?

Scenery wasn't too bad, I used to have a book that had instructions for scenery building using cardboard boxes, rolled up newspapers and tobelarone tubes.

cybertrophic
01-05-2007, 16:02
Well, models wise, Heresy do a model that while for legal reasons is not Riddick, it could be used as him:

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/pages/hsf006.htm


For the 300, try Croc Games:

http://www.crocodilegames.com/news_detail.asp?ID=89&Month=&Year=2007




Ah Yes, those would be what we in the UK remember as 'Action Man', the 12" tall soldier-barbie?

Scenery wasn't too bad, I used to have a book that had instructions for scenery building using cardboard boxes, rolled up newspapers and tobelarone tubes.

I think I still have that book in the attic... Not to mention the fact I took the Action Man death-slide training tower and ran a cable from my room to the end of the garden so they'd zip-line something like 80 feet before he got there....and dug a large WW1-style trench system for them across the flowerbeds. Yup, my mother loved gardening when I was a kid...lol

RavenMorpheus
03-05-2007, 08:00
I'd love to see some good 2000ad based licences done like Judge Dredd for example or a Alien vs Predator by GW, but there are already companies out there doing them so the chances of that would be very slim.

Reaver83
03-05-2007, 09:36
the thing is though GW don't need to do many other licences as they've pilfered other people ideas already, they've taken bits and pieces from loads of scifi/fantasy and synthesised them.

They should do sometthing dramatic, like update chess for the ADHD generation...

cybertrophic
04-05-2007, 23:52
the thing is though GW don't need to do many other licences as they've pilfered other people ideas already, they've taken bits and pieces from loads of scifi/fantasy and synthesised them.

They should do sometthing dramatic, like update chess for the ADHD generation...

I once made a chess set using Fantasy miniatures - mixture of bretonnian and empire for the white and chaos and orks for the black - worked really well. Still playing chess, though.... :-)

Hermanesq
05-05-2007, 00:44
AvP/Aliens...


but also terminator... alright the necrons are practically there already, but a miniature Arnie... in damaged and undamaged forms... and a T1000, terminatrix et al... you've got the two different timelines to take from aswell...


who wouldnt want their own 28mm governor of California?

chris

Svenson
07-05-2007, 13:02
Dune would be amazing, think of the battles Fremen lining up against line after line of Saduaker (sp?) Then you could have the robots from Ix, the genetically modified Tlaxu. Hell you could even go into the chronicles and get a cymech army! That would be my true dream of an excellent gaming system!

Grimshawl
07-05-2007, 16:11
I really like the PvA idea. That would be great if they were to pick up that license. There is much they could do with that and those figs would look great.

I know some of you have been talking about "Dr. Who" and I must say people in the USA have never really heard of that show. The only thing I have ever seen by that, is the books I have seen. Maybe I should check it out since it's so popular in England.
their are alot of people in the US who are fans of Doctor Who, the series was run on PBS for years when I was a kid and sci fi was running the New Doctor Who series not to long ago. If I recall correctly the old series was the longest running science fiction series ever on television.

Reabe
07-05-2007, 16:23
Dilbert, the Game of Office Warfare.

"Due to a recent and worrying meeting about downsizing, the War for your worthless, boring and pathetic Office Job is on the line! Flick paper clips, avoid the Spikey-Haired Boss and spread rumours about your enemies! Even more annoying and boring than the comic!"

I'd be interested in using the Lord of the Rings basic rules, but playing with Greek armies and so on. I'll pick up that Wargames Illustrated to check it out.

Carot
07-05-2007, 17:08
They should expand along the lines of their strengths.

i.e. they're good at making fantasy/sci-fi table-top strategy games. So they should make other games along the same lines.

I'd think Doom or Quake or even Halo would translate into a table-top skirmish game quite well, Doom especially in the spacehulk-esque way. Halo has quite a bit of promise in the strategy area - with all the different vehicles and units, not unlike 40k, but it should have more "mass-market" appeal.

If they're looking for a movie or tv-series franchise to expand in.......they're pretty well hosed. I'd recommend Stargate, but I think it already has it's own game set.

But, it all reeks of an "already been tried" sense. They should try bringing elements of their video-games into the worlds they belong to. Like the various buildings and objective markers we see in DOW....the campaign elements.

I'm baffled by their ignorance of the success of those games. People like them, why don't they use that to their advantage? Maybe that's the point of the upcoming Apocolypse book though.

my 2 cents
:chrome:

Hellebore
07-05-2007, 17:23
Warhammer Historical games only produce rules and a few limited edition character models.

The wonder of historical games is that there are so many places to get models that there isn't a need for GW to make them.

True, but imagine if they did to History what they did to LotR - cheap boxes of pretty good plastic miniatures covering all the ancient armies.

GW is such a big name that people might actually just buy their stuff for historical battles due to ease of purchase (GW's retailers being fairly ubiquitous) and cheapness of miniatures (the plastic boxes for LotR are very cheap compared to WFB and 40k - and they wouldn't be paying for licenses either).

Hellebore

revford
07-05-2007, 17:36
True, but imagine if they did to History what they did to LotR - cheap boxes of pretty good plastic miniatures covering all the ancient armies.

GW is such a big name that people might actually just buy their stuff for historical battles due to ease of purchase (GW's retailers being fairly ubiquitous) and cheapness of miniatures (the plastic boxes for LotR are very cheap compared to WFB and 40k - and they wouldn't be paying for licenses either).



But the problem is that GW plastics, even Rings ones aren't cheap by historical minis standards, look here for example:

http://www.valiantminiatures.com/index.html

WWII 20mm 68 multi part plastics with all the weapons options, support weapons, characters and variants for 9. At about the same height as the Rings Dwarves.

The best GW offer is 24 plastic models for 15, it's not even close.

GW 60p a model, Valiant 13p a model.

I'd love GW to produce models for Historical games, they have great rulebooks to cover lots of periods already and you're right about the GW stores being a great place to present these games to people who haven't found them online already.

But they can't compete on price unless without showing how huge the markup on the existing models is.

I don't begrudge GW making money selling great models, I don't mind paying 15 for those great Dwarf Rangers for example, but they can't compete with historical model makers on price without making the other ranges look really bad.

Hellebore
07-05-2007, 17:40
But the problem is that GW plastics, even Rings ones aren't cheap by historical minis standards, look here for example:

http://www.valiantminiatures.com/index.html

WWII 20mm 68 multi part plastics with all the weapons options, support weapons, characters and variants for 9. At about the same height as the Rings Dwarves.

The best GW offer is 24 plastic models for 15, it's not even close.

GW 60p a model, Valiant 13p a model.

I'd love GW to produce models for Historical games, they have great rulebooks to cover lots of periods already and you're right about the GW stores being a great place to present these games to people who haven't found them online already.

But they can't compete on price unless without showing how huge the markup on the existing models is.

I don't begrudge GW making money selling great models, I don't mind paying 15 for those great Dwarf Rangers for example, but they can't compete with historical model makers on price without making the other ranges look really bad.


Wow, certainly shows how inured I am to GW pricing that I think LotR stuff is cheap:rolleyes:

I'm not much of a historical gamer, and all the minis I've seen for it have been metal ones (that weren't cheap), and thus I falsy assumed that GWs plastics could actually compete successfully with the industry.

Ah well, it would be nice to have a LotR quality plastic force of Spartans or Syrians...

Hellebore

ekxw
07-05-2007, 17:54
Asterix the Gaul.

(Someone once did three great sets of minis gauls , romans and the pirates).

But a full range enough to turn out an army of Romans and Gauls would be a winner.

andrea have made them in 54 mm XD

look
http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/listado.asp?IdColeccion=126

insaniak
07-05-2007, 22:07
Doom especially in the spacehulk-esque way.

There's already a Spacehulk-style Doom boardgame out there.

Mahwell Skel
08-05-2007, 00:14
Rogue Trooper

No wait chaos militia and DKOK... Norts and Southerns...:D

Hlokk
08-05-2007, 19:50
The problem with GW doing a licence is that it would have to be something that had mass appeal at the time, same as LotR did. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing GW adopt a business model of launching a game for a year, then relegating it to a kind of semi-support thing, rather than what they've done with LotR.

Having said that, a matrix style skirmish game would have ruled (God know's how they would do stuff like flash memory uploads, but it would be pretty sweet).

cybertrophic
16-05-2007, 22:28
The problem with GW doing a licence is that it would have to be something that had mass appeal at the time, same as LotR did. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing GW adopt a business model of launching a game for a year, then relegating it to a kind of semi-support thing, rather than what they've done with LotR.

Having said that, a matrix style skirmish game would have ruled (God know's how they would do stuff like flash memory uploads, but it would be pretty sweet).

They could go back to the old days when you got something like Necromunda once every eighteen months or so. All-in-one-box games, with later expansion sets (like Warhammer Quest, etc) - that'd work and the lower overall investment to get started would lead to more people being willing to get into the hobby and then probably taking the plunge on one of the larger "core" games. GW seems to have forgotten that most gamers got into Warhammer after they got Heroquest for christmas, or perhaps BloodBowl.

As for licenses...well, I still say Firefly is good - you could have necromunda-stlye skirmishing revolving around small ships crews, Epic-scale stuff for the whole Alliance/Browncoat war and then BFG-style stuff for the space-flight sections....

Or how about Pratchett's Discworld?
Who wouldn't enjoy Skirmishing/Mordheim-esque gaming in Ankh-Morpork...? or recreating the battle between Ankh-Morkpork and Klatch as per "Jingo"..?

Hell, it wouldn't take much to turn Empire scenery into Discworld-style taverns, watch houses, etc. In fact, I'm currently building a modular Mordheim-style city for me to game in and store my armies in and I am thinking of including bits from Ankh-Morpork in it. (I also think Rackham's Cadwallon Militia and a few GW Bretonnian Men-At-Arms could be made into a pretty passable City Watch...)

Winimperial
17-05-2007, 01:41
Don't know if its already been mentioned, but do you think that a Halo tabletop wargame would be succesful under GW?

I mean Halo has Fluff, Big Franchise Games and a few books just like Warhammer. Don't see why it couldn't work. Plus, you'd get the whole gaming and Halo fanatic crowd in.

cybertrophic
17-05-2007, 01:59
Don't know if its already been mentioned, but do you think that a Halo tabletop wargame would be succesful under GW?

I mean Halo has Fluff, Big Franchise Games and a few books just like Warhammer. Don't see why it couldn't work. Plus, you'd get the whole gaming and Halo fanatic crowd in.

Think it was brought up - biggest problem is: why buy a new space marine versus aliens game, when they already make a space marines versus aliens game? I think, however, another company could make a decent competitor to 40k out of it, though - just not a good product for GW, I think.

Sikkukkut
17-05-2007, 02:13
Or how about Pratchett's Discworld?
Who wouldn't enjoy Skirmishing/Mordheim-esque gaming in Ankh-Morpork...? or recreating the battle between Ankh-Morkpork and Klatch as per "Jingo"..?

Hell, it wouldn't take much to turn Empire scenery into Discworld-style taverns, watch houses, etc. In fact, I'm currently building a modular Mordheim-style city for me to game in and store my armies in and I am thinking of including bits from Ankh-Morpork in it. (I also think Rackham's Cadwallon Militia and a few GW Bretonnian Men-At-Arms could be made into a pretty passable City Watch...)

Hot damn, you know an Ankh-Morpork mod for Mordheim is suddenly firing off all sorts of ideas. Scenery is a given, as you've mentioned. Warbands could be the City Watch, Thieves' and Assassins' Guild teams (perhaps a senior tutor and his class on a field trip), dwarf and troll gangs as per Thud!, maybe some of the genuine desperadoes from the Shades, sort of like Mister Teatime's gang in Hogfather, cliques of Wizards from UU.

Winimperial
17-05-2007, 02:16
Think it was brought up - biggest problem is: why buy a new space marine versus aliens game, when they already make a space marines versus aliens game? I think, however, another company could make a decent competitor to 40k out of it, though - just not a good product for GW, I think.


I think you may be right, but in a sense, its the same gig with LOTR and Warhammer. Why have human fighting monsters in LOTR when you can have humans fighting monsters Warhammer? Although like you said earlier, there can be many problems with a Halo license. Just like what happened to LOTR. GW had LOTR going smoothe until they finished producing the Return of the King suppliment. They were basically like "Oh s***! what are we gonna make now?" Then it seems LOTR has been going going down hill from there. The same deal could happen with Halo. Sure Halo, has a lot more backround, fluff, UNSC and Covenant units than you see in the game but theres a limit. Where as GW can just make s*** up with warhammer and warhammer 40k, Theres only so much you can produce with a license. If GW were to do something like Halo, the license should be short and sweet, and not drag on like LOTR.

insaniak
17-05-2007, 07:29
I think you may be right, but in a sense, its the same gig with LOTR and Warhammer.

It's really not.

Halo is just a computer game. LOTR is, well, LOTR.

GW took on LOTR because of what it is: a fantasy franchise that is widely considered to be the 'grandfather' of modern fantasy. Well, that and the fact that it was likely to make a boatload of money.

They're not interested in other licences because no other licence out there at the moment has that sort of pull. Science fiction is too diverse to have any one setting that you can point to and say 'That's what SciFi is all about'... and there will never be another LOTR for Fantasy, simply because LOTR will always have been there first.

So the duplication of Warhammer and LOTR, in that they both involve humans and fairly archetypical fantasy races, came about simply because they already had Warhammer, and they weren't going to turn down the chance to do LOTR.

They're not going to make that sort of arrangement for a SciFi license.

At least not until something comes along that has the same potential as LOTR. About the only SciFi licences I can think of that would come close are Star Wars (which would be hideously expensive and creatively inhibited by Lacasarts' iron grip, even if it did happen to be available, which it isn't,) or Star Trek (which I can only really see working as a starship game, which GW already has, kind of...)

cybertrophic
17-05-2007, 11:50
Hot damn, you know an Ankh-Morpork mod for Mordheim is suddenly firing off all sorts of ideas. Scenery is a given, as you've mentioned. Warbands could be the City Watch, Thieves' and Assassins' Guild teams (perhaps a senior tutor and his class on a field trip), dwarf and troll gangs as per Thud!, maybe some of the genuine desperadoes from the Shades, sort of like Mister Teatime's gang in Hogfather, cliques of Wizards from UU.

You have juvenile gangs like the Shamlegger Street lot Vimes' used to be a member of, etc, as well as Cohen and his Silver Horde, the patrons of the Mended Drum, etc - a lot could be made of that license, I reckon.

It would be great to fight a campaign based purely on the book "Night Watch" - small skirmishes culminating in the formation of the Treacle Mine Road Republic and the riot across the city....

cybertrophic
17-05-2007, 11:55
It's really not.

Halo is just a computer game. LOTR is, well, LOTR.

GW took on LOTR because of what it is: a fantasy franchise that is widely considered to be the 'grandfather' of modern fantasy. Well, that and the fact that it was likely to make a boatload of money.

They're not interested in other licences because no other licence out there at the moment has that sort of pull. Science fiction is too diverse to have any one setting that you can point to and say 'That's what SciFi is all about'... and there will never be another LOTR for Fantasy, simply because LOTR will always have been there first.

So the duplication of Warhammer and LOTR, in that they both involve humans and fairly archetypical fantasy races, came about simply because they already had Warhammer, and they weren't going to turn down the chance to do LOTR.

They're not going to make that sort of arrangement for a SciFi license.

At least not until something comes along that has the same potential as LOTR. About the only SciFi licences I can think of that would come close are Star Wars (which would be hideously expensive and creatively inhibited by Lacasarts' iron grip, even if it did happen to be available, which it isn't,) or Star Trek (which I can only really see working as a starship game, which GW already has, kind of...)

Or the Serenity/Firefly universe - it's different enough from 40k to be distinct and the fanbase is huge - just look at the DVD sales. But, yes, you're right - there is very little incentive for GW to take on a franchise that might compete directly with their own IPs.

insaniak
18-05-2007, 00:34
Or the Serenity/Firefly universe - it's different enough from 40k to be distinct and the fanbase is huge - just look at the DVD sales.

On a global scale, I would be doubtful as to whether Firefly would really be that big.

Mention LOTR, or Star Wars, to a random person on the street, and chances are they'll know what you're talking about... even if they've never seen the movies or read the books.

Firefly just doesn't have that sort of recognition yet. From various conversations I've had both online and off, it seems to be only the real scifi buffs who have even heard of it, let alone seen the show.

That may be different overseas where cable TV is a little more prevalent, but it certainly doesn't have anywhere near a comprehensive sort of brand recognition here in Oz.

cybertrophic
18-05-2007, 00:48
On a global scale, I would be doubtful as to whether Firefly would really be that big.

Mention LOTR, or Star Wars, to a random person on the street, and chances are they'll know what you're talking about... even if they've never seen the movies or read the books.

Firefly just doesn't have that sort of recognition yet. From various conversations I've had both online and off, it seems to be only the real scifi buffs who have even heard of it, let alone seen the show.

That may be different overseas where cable TV is a little more prevalent, but it certainly doesn't have anywhere near a comprehensive sort of brand recognition here in Oz.

Well, Serenity just beat Star Wars to the top slot in "best Sci Fi film" polls both on the BBC website and in, I think, Empire magazine, so there is a pretty hefty fanbase. Not to mention the fact that the "browncoats" effectively forced the production of the movie by buying Firefly DVDs by the million and the petitions, guerilla marketing, etc. There is enough of a fanbase to justify the game. After all, Starship Troopers and Doom got licensed games and they aren't household brands, either.

The point is not which licence has the hugest installed fanbase, however, it is which licence might provide a good game that is, as a side-consideration, distinct enough from the "core" GW brands that it won't poach their market - I think that Firefly/Serenity has that ability - the universe is meticulously created, the back-story is pretty compelling and there is enough variety to support a BFG-style spaceship game, an Epic-style game and a skirmish-style 40k/Necromunda mechanic, too.

Hell, if GW don't pick up the idea, I'm half tempted to contact Joss Whedon and Andy Chambers and see if I couldn't raise the venture capital to do the thing myself (my family also have contacts in the global miniature scale and radio-controlled model industry, so it is very tempting).... :D

insaniak
18-05-2007, 00:57
After all, Starship Troopers and Doom got licensed games

...and look how well they're doing... ;)




The point is not which licence has the hugest installed fanbase, however, it is which licence might provide a good game that is, as a side-consideration, distinct enough from the "core" GW brands that it won't poach their market

No, the huge fanbase is a consideration as well, at least if we're talking about GW taking on such a licence.

While smaller companies that specialise in producing other people's licences are happy taking on less well-known brands, GW just isn't going to do that, no matter how good a game it might make.

They're not going to touch another licence unless it's something that everybody knows.


For what it's worth, I agree that Firefly has the potential for several rather interesting games. They're just not games that GW would consider making.

cybertrophic
18-05-2007, 00:58
...and look how well they're doing... ;)





No, the huge fanbase is a consideration as well, at least if we're talking about GW taking on such a licence.

While smaller companies that specialise in producing other people's licences are happy taking on less well-known brands, GW just isn't going to do that, no matter how good a game it might make.

They're not going to touch another licence unless it's something that everybody knows.


For what it's worth, I agree that Firefly has the potential for several rather interesting games. They're just not games that GW would consider making.

Of course they aren't - they might be good... ;-)

Kyrolon
18-05-2007, 01:02
Whatever licensed product GW went after would have to have some mass market appeal to draw in people who are not already gamers. Lord of the Rings did this because of the appeal/revival brought about by the movies.

As such it would need to be something more mainstream even than Firefly/Serenity etc. It would need to have a major film or series based around it etc.

Some examples that I can think of:

George RR Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" series: there are rumors of either a feature movie, or of this being picked up and produced by HBO as a limited run series a la Rome and Deadwood. There is also already a boardgame and RPG to draw previous fans of the setting. There was a previous attempt at making a game of this by the Testor's model company with minis being sculpted by Tom Meier, but the whole thing fell through. As far as the setting goes-- the LOTR rules system would fit well with the types of battles fought in much of the series. It could also support a Mass Combat variant.

HALO: another series with an already fanatic fan base with large amounts of spin off material including novels, games (obviously), and a forthcoming movie. This property could be a big attraction for drawing computer gamers to tabletop gaming. The only unfortunate thing is that WIZKIDS has already beat them to this one, and is doing a "Haloclix" game. This means it will suck just as bad as all of the other "clix" games. Handy miniatures, but terrible rules.

Aliens: Similar to HALO above, but with the same problems (WIZKIDS).

All of these examples begin as being popular with non gamers. Any licensing done by GW would not, I think, be targeted at those of us who already game. They would, like LOTR was, be targeted at the "new blood" GW is so fond of.

Dan

Edit: One other to add, that might just have a big enough fan base without a movie, would be Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. I'd like to see GW do Trollocs. Basically beastmen with other than goat heads mixed in (Wolf, Bear, Eagle, Boar etc.).

cybertrophic
18-05-2007, 01:15
Whatever licensed product GW went after would have to have some mass market appeal to draw in people who are not already gamers. Lord of the Rings did this because of the appeal/revival brought about by the movies.

As such it would need to be something more mainstream even than Firefly/Serenity etc. It would need to have a major film or series based around it etc.

Some examples that I can think of:

George RR Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" series: there are rumors of either a feature movie, or of this being picked up and produced by HBO as a limited run series a la Rome and Deadwood. There is also already a boardgame and RPG to draw previous fans of the setting. There was a previous attempt at making a game of this by the Testor's model company with minis being sculpted by Tom Meier, but the whole thing fell through. As far as the setting goes-- the LOTR rules system would fit well with the types of battles fought in much of the series. It could also support a Mass Combat variant.

I'd be willing to put money on more people watching Firefly re-runs than reading a series of books in what is a niche market, but I agree, it could work. Hell, if done right, Harry Potter could be made into a Mordheim-esque game - most licences *could* be made to fit some sort of tabletop game, but this thread was discussing what people would like to see, not necessarily what would make the most money.


HALO: another series with an already fanatic fan base with large amounts of spin off material including novels, games (obviously), and a forthcoming movie. This property could be a big attraction for drawing computer gamers to tabletop gaming. The only unfortunate thing is that WIZKIDS has already beat them to this one, and is doing a "Haloclix" game. This means it will suck just as bad as all of the other "clix" games. Handy miniatures, but terrible rules.

The problem with Halo is that it is Space Marines vs Aliens. GW already do that rather well. Also, Halo 2 had a godawful script and Halo 3 isn't starting out too well (beta delays, etc) - Resistance:Fall of Man on PS3 has a nice alternate-reality WW2 soldiers versus alien/mutant thing going on that would work, but the problem is that WW2 stuff is done very well and very cheaply by people such as Tamiya already. Half-Life 2 might work, but I'm not quite sure how...


Aliens: Similar to HALO above, but with the same problems (WIZKIDS).

All of these examples begin as being popular with non gamers. Any licensing done by GW would not, I think, be targeted at those of us who already game. They would, like LOTR was, be targeted at the "new blood" GW is so fond of.

Dan

Aliens was already kinda done with Space Hulk - tight corridors, lots of beasties and Marines outnumbered and under time-pressure. Still the best game GW ever made, in a lot of ways...

Let's face it, most non-gamers are not going to invest hundreds of pounds into a hobby unless they are already interested. What LoTR did was bring a genuinely good game mechanic out for gamers that also happened to cash in on the hype of LoTR - if the game sucked, it wouldn't have made any money. After the hype of the films died down, GW were left with gamers playing it, not LoTR fans taking it up on a whim, which led to lower, but steady sales.

Pirates of The Carribean could work - ship-to-ship battles, using plastic ships instead of scenery, with Mordheim-style crews...could even use places like Tortuga as the setting for some Pirate-based gang fighting/questing...

Pleasurepain
18-05-2007, 01:46
Not saying I'd buy it, but it does suit the apparent target demographic....

Harry Potter.

Make it like Warhammer Quest, so you go on a dungeony adventure with your warband of Harry, Hermione, Hagrid and Ron rather than the traditional barbarian, pit fighter, ranger and wardancer.

Dargon
18-05-2007, 02:00
WORMS! - you know you want it!:D


LotR is problematic, because despite all it's differences in history, imagery and ruleset, it's directly competing with Warhammer Fantasy. Even some of the models are merging in design - just look at the new Warhammer trolls.

If GW were to look for another licence, it needs to be something completely different from anything they currently have, and personally, I think GW would be best served avoiding the more serious universes of the likes of Aliens, Firefly, Starship Troopers, etc.

Instead, GW need something "Silly" and "Fun". Discworld and Asterix would equally fit this bill, but they likewise would introduce the problem of being another fantasy-style universe.

Worms is the future! Cute little worms blowing each other to kindom come with everything from slingshots to atomic weapons. How could anyone possibly resist?:D

Just a thought...

Frep
18-05-2007, 02:11
And if GW says making worm sprues too hard they could sell tubes of green stuff and a sprue with tiny eyes and big ridiculous weapons and there you go huge markup on green stuff and giddy gamers worldwide

Kyrolon
18-05-2007, 04:18
I understand the idea that a lot of the potential candidates are similar to one or more of the GW core games. That was true of LOTR too, and that (whether people admit it or not) was a huge success. One thing that I think some of you are missing is that the similarity to existing GW product is irrelevant. If they were to go with another licensed game line it would be to draw in fans of that particular universe. The target would be people who could care less that 40K or WHFB or Space Hulk already existed. If these people were interested in those games they'd already be one of us. :)

Licensed product would be targeted to hit a whole new group of customers, ideally it would be something that could go in regular stores (Wal Mart, Target, whatever the big chain stores are in Europe, etc.). I know the George RR Martin series is relatively obscure now, but please note my suggestion above was predicated on the advent of a movie/mainstream media release to raise awareness.

The final key would be to make the game playable without investing hundreds of dollars or pounds. The first LOTR sets are another good example. By getting the box set (even better now with Mines of Moria) you could have plenty of adventures. Adequate department store sales of these starter sets alone could be a pay off, and could also bring new people into the greater hobby that would not have given it a second look previously.

Are further licenses a good idea? Maybe/maybe not. GW has a lot of internal clean up to do on the core systems first, but that was not the point of this thread.

Dan

Krog Ironclaw
18-05-2007, 05:12
I myself would love to see a Mobile Suit: Gundam game. Start off with the Universal Century stuff, add in other series later.

Though I doubt Bandai would ever hand over the liscence. But it'd be awesome to have Gundams blowing the crap outta each other. Wing Gundam Zero very Gundam Double X would be sweet.

nanktank
18-05-2007, 15:48
I third the Dune idea, I can just imagine fremen springing out of the sand and ambushing Harkonnen spice miners, or a fall of house atreides scenario with the harkonnen attack on the palace. It could be marketed like the lord of the rings series, anything from small scale skirmishes between patrols to massive battles over spice harvesters with orithopters.

Templar Ben
18-05-2007, 16:47
Edit: One other to add, that might just have a big enough fan base without a movie, would be Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. I'd like to see GW do Trollocs. Basically beastmen with other than goat heads mixed in (Wolf, Bear, Eagle, Boar etc.).

WoTC already did that didn't they? They don't currently make minis but I doubt they don't have the rights too since they do have their own mini game.


Not saying I'd buy it, but it does suit the apparent target demographic....

Harry Potter.

Make it like Warhammer Quest, so you go on a dungeony adventure with your warband of Harry, Hermione, Hagrid and Ron rather than the traditional barbarian, pit fighter, ranger and wardancer.

I hate to say it but that would fit the target market and it sell so very well at WalMart.


I third the Dune idea, I can just imagine fremen springing out of the sand and ambushing Harkonnen spice miners, or a fall of house atreides scenario with the harkonnen attack on the palace. It could be marketed like the lord of the rings series, anything from small scale skirmishes between patrols to massive battles over spice harvesters with orithopters.

It would have done well around the time of the first miniseries. It may be hard to do so now. Then again if they wanted to work with SciFi network on some tieins I could see it working well.

Of course that would lead to a fourth major line. That is a lot of shelf space.

Azakiel
13-06-2007, 10:48
I'd love to see some good 2000ad based licences done like Judge Dredd for example or a Alien vs Predator by GW, but there are already companies out there doing them so the chances of that would be very slim.

Actually, GW did do Judge Dredd back in the 80's.


Given the choice, I would like to see either: The Sword of Truth (Terry Goodkind), Wheel of Time (Robert Jordan) or Shannara (Terry Brooks). The Word and the Void (and Armageddon's children, also by Terry Brooks) could also make quite a good game in the style of necromunda/Inquisitor

swordwind
13-06-2007, 17:27
Tom Meier is still sculpting ASOIAF minis. He's just finished Jon Snow and his Knight of Flowers looks awesome.
The rights to the game have been snapped up by some company noones ever heard of

eengaming
13-06-2007, 17:55
As a fan of both Harry Potter and Warhammer: Quest, I think that is an awesome idea. However, J.K. Rowling has expressed some disdain for the RPG industry (despite the obvious amount of fanbase crossover :wtf: ) so I doubt she'd be to hip on a mini game. But hey, who knows.

t-tauri
13-06-2007, 18:58
A successful licence for GW would need lots of miniatures- armies worth- to make it viable. That rules out most of the RPG type games suggested. I'd be surprised to see them take a licence other than The Hobbit unless a real blockbuster film is made of a classic science fiction or fantasy novel. Dune or Starship Troopers or Conan done in the manner of Jackson's LotR might be worth it for them. The rest I wouldn't see them even considering. Why pay royalties to use someone else's IP when you've already two of the strongest backgrounds in 40k and LotR?

Templar Ben
13-06-2007, 19:16
T Tauri, as I have realized that may be hurting LoTR. The lack of models necessary I mean. Perhaps we should think of what setting would require massed troops but that GW could do well.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
13-06-2007, 19:40
The only problem with GW obtaining licences to produce themed games is that their rules will always be wildly different from 40K and WFB as well as their models being in a totally different scale.

Now had LOTR been in GW's regular scale and played a little like Mordheim it probably wouldn't have been such a long term flop.

Except it hasn't. At all. What with outselling Warhammer.

Hollopoint
13-06-2007, 19:43
How about pushing further into the Anime sector? Tau have proven that there is alot of people out there that like the style. I would love to see a game based on things such as -

Ninja Scroll - (Large scale Ninjas with wierd and wonderful villians)
Akira - (Various biker gangs fighting it out in Neo Tokyo.)

Infact I think gang related games could work quite well. Stuff similar to Necromunda but not set in the 40k universe.

They could try and create a game around various different Zombie films and books. Maybe not using one specific IP but mixing things and setting it in the real world only a few years in the future. Like 28 days latter. You would have the living dead and your group of survivors. You could make it dark or light hearted, ala Shaun of The dead.

Or they could start something completely fresh and new. Like nothing seen before. A brand new fantasy land. Unrealated to any existing IP

cybertrophic
14-06-2007, 01:15
I still think that a Hogwarts dungeon crawl would work, as would a scalable Serenity/Firefly game... However, if we are looking at a mass-market IP that would allow large scale armies, you come back to things like Starship Troopers (been done), Sharpe/Master And Commander/Troy/300/Gladiator (all really covered by the historical market - same goes for anything WW2-related). Doom has been done, so that's out. Dune might work, but a featureless desert makes for dull scenery (although you could place it in the Sietches and have the Fremen fighting amongst themselves, or against the Harkonnens as in the end scene of the Film, etc)... What else is there?

Most Sci-fi takes place in space, so there is more call for spaceships than soldiers - Star Wars, Star Trek, even Battlestar Galactica feature very few ground battles, with most being amongst space ships...

Superheroes are covered by HeroClix, Pirates of The Carribean could work...Other than that, I am struggling to think of a movie-based IP that could fit the mould.

Terry Pratchett's Ankh-Morpork lends itself well to a Mordheim-esque game - Guild vs Guild, Gang vs Gang, Night Watch vs Criminals, etc, but is the market big enough?

The only film that springs to mind where heroes fight off a horde of enemy soldiers that isn't covered in the Historical market would be The 13th Warrior, as I have yet to see anyone make a miniature of the bear-men...

"Lo, there do I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother, my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place in Asgard in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever." :-) Sorry, but I LOVE that film. heh

Newtype86
14-06-2007, 10:54
Star Trek

Away missions skirmishes or even BFG-like battles

:chrome:

snurl
14-06-2007, 11:40
As a fan of both Harry Potter and Warhammer: Quest, I think that is an awesome idea. However, J.K. Rowling has expressed some disdain for the RPG industry (despite the obvious amount of fanbase crossover :wtf: ) so I doubt she'd be to hip on a mini game. But hey, who knows.

She may disdain RPG's but i'll bet she owns a Monster manual or two, judging by the diverse beasties she comes up with in her books. She had to find reference somewhere.
I like the idea of the Warhammer Quest/Harry Potter crossover.

Maybe they could make it into an open system so that other caracters, like Shreck maybe, could be brought into the game without having to design a whole new system everytime a new license becomes available for fantasy?

vindice
14-06-2007, 17:40
I'm astonished the BBC hasn't jumped on them for this as Black Tree don't seem to have a licence any more but have kept on making the miniatures.

The BBC suck at chasing these things up. When I worked at Alternative Armies, we had the licence for Doctor Who minis and ended up ditching it because the BBC refused to go after harelquin who kept producing their minis.

eengaming
16-06-2007, 02:48
Snurl, I agree that it is a great idea. I just doubt it will happen. If it does I call dibs on Snape!

Cypher, the Emperor
16-06-2007, 06:08
Spartaaaaaa!

Stinger
23-06-2007, 18:25
Time to turn this on it's head! :D

Instead of what licensees you would like GW to do, what about what licensees GW shoudl give out? In other words, what products would you like to see GW's worlds in?

For me, a movie would just be amazing! Remember Blood Quest? Also, more computer games - DOW was amazing.

Stinger

Templar Ben
23-06-2007, 18:40
Time to turn this on it's head! :D

Instead of what licensees you would like GW to do, what about what licensees GW shoudl give out? In other words, what products would you like to see GW's worlds in?

For me, a movie would just be amazing! Remember Blood Quest? Also, more computer games - DOW was amazing.

Stinger

Or better yet how about you start your own. Mods get upset when people go out of their way to derail a topic.

Lord Malek The Red Knight
23-06-2007, 19:11
i would LOVE an Action Force* game (well, models and stats - 40K would be fine for the core game rules).

only problem i can think of is making generic "good guys" rather than having everyone on the Action Force side be a Character (;)). Cobra Commander had plenty of nameless faceless lackeys so that wouldnt be a problem for the bad guys (the problem with the toys was that you would never be able to afford a realistic number of Cobra troopers - which wouldnt be an issue in 28mm).

Serpentor's sky chariot could count as a Jetbike. :cool: all the tanks! oooh...

*dribbles*

~ Tim
*thats the small scale GIJoe for those in the USA... and maybe elsewhere. :)

Bolter Bait
23-06-2007, 19:20
Hamtaro (http://www.hamtaro.com/): The Squish-ining.

scarletsquig
23-06-2007, 21:53
If there's a popular franchise out there, it's almost guaranteed wizkids will grab it before GW.

They know how to make money, and are even more brutal than GW when it comes to marketing - imagine if GW suddenly stopped selling models for all of their specialist games a year and half after being released, and you have wizkids strategy: Release mini range, milk as cash cow, when popularity dwindles, release new supplement, when that stops making lots of money, release new supplement, when the whole thing gets tired, stop selling.

The whole "collectible" thing is also a huge part of their marketing. People *will* buy crates and crates of their figures simply to find the 1 ultra-rare they've been looking for, then dump the commons on eBay.

KriegDrakken
24-06-2007, 01:35
A "Masters of the Universe" Skirmish System would be nice, with cards like Warmachine and lots of special rules for every character :D

Deamon-forge
24-06-2007, 10:23
star wars, or Willow.

Great idea!