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Marsekay
18-03-2005, 03:59
I know of Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast, but were there any other wizards around during this period? any names? their chosen specialist subject? i think Radagast was the Steve Irwin of wizards was he not?

macbeth
18-03-2005, 09:41
I think that nothing contradicts the fact that the two unnamed blue wizards were active at the time of the War of the Ring.

As very little is known of them, every assumption is possible...

Rohirrim
18-03-2005, 09:55
the two blue wizards were active in the far east in tying down some of Saurons reinforcements.

Spider
18-03-2005, 14:26
the two blue wizards were active in the far east in tying down some of Saurons reinforcements.


The two blue wizards may have been tying down Saurons reinforcements. They could just as well been drumming up reinforcements for him...we will never know.

Baggers
18-03-2005, 14:36
Only really Gandalf and Saruman were active as such. Radaghast did not do much apart from meet Gandalf and say that Saruman wanted to see him. The two wizards went into the east and were never seen again. Other than that Tolkien never mentioned anyother sort of magic user in the book, and so the film could not either.

Rykion
18-03-2005, 15:25
Gandalf was the only wizard known to be actively working on the mission given the Istari. Saruman had fallen, and Radagast spent most of his time with plants and animals. No one knows if the 2 blue wizards were even still on Middle Earth at the time of the war. They went East and were never seen again. There was no mention of them serving either side in the War of the Ring.

Great Harlequin
18-03-2005, 17:26
Gandalf was the only wizard known to be actively working on the mission given the Istari. Saruman had fallen, and Radagast spent most of his time with plants and animals. No one knows if the 2 blue wizards were even still on Middle Earth at the time of the war. They went East and were never seen again. There was no mention of them serving either side in the War of the Ring.
Alatar and Pallando. They were the weakest of the wizards and Tolkien never described them with much detail.

Rykion
18-03-2005, 19:14
I got the following from the Encyclopedia of Arda website.

'What success they [Alatar and Pallando] had I do not know; but I fear they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect they were the founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.' (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No. 211).

Probably the best info on the fate of the two Blue Wizards assuming the quote is correct.

anarchistica
18-03-2005, 22:10
What is a Wizard? Someone who shoots firebolts, someone with magical power, someone who can create magical devices or devices we would consider magical?

During the film era (also known as the Lord Of The Rings...:/), there were up to 6 Maiar in Middle-Earth. Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Alatar, Pallando and Sauron. There were also three descendants of a Maia. Elrond, Arwen and Aragorn. Aside from those, there were 13 known bearers of rings that bestowed them with some form of magical power. Galadriel, Frodo, Sam, Golum and the Nazgul. On top of that, there were beings with powers of an unclear source, like Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. Finally, there are Elves and Wraiths, who also have some form of magical power or something similar.

I'm thinking though, that you were looking for a list like this: Gandalf
Saruman
Sauron
Radagast
Alatar
Pallando
Galadriel
The Witch-King Those are the ones who are mentioned as being either a Wizard or a Witch.

Marsekay
19-03-2005, 00:28
What is a Wizard? Someone who shoots firebolts, someone with magical power, someone who can create magical devices or devices we would consider magical?

During the film era (also known as the Lord Of The Rings...:/), there were up to 6 Maiar in Middle-Earth. Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Alatar, Pallando and Sauron. There were also three descendants of a Maia. Elrond, Arwen and Aragorn. Aside from those, there were 13 known bearers of rings that bestowed them with some form of magical power. Galadriel, Frodo, Sam, Golum and the Nazgul. On top of that, there were beings with powers of an unclear source, like Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. Finally, there are Elves and Wraiths, who also have some form of magical power or something similar.

I'm thinking though, that you were looking for a list like this: Gandalf
Saruman
Sauron
Radagast
Alatar
Pallando
Galadriel
The Witch-King Those are the ones who are mentioned as being either a Wizard or a Witch.

What i meant was, and i should have put this in the first post, was the "coloured"? wizards. is the term istarii?

Reabe
20-03-2005, 00:01
What i meant was, and i should have put this in the first post, was the "coloured"? wizards. is the term istarii?

It's the "proper" name for the wizards. I think it's elfish, but I could be wrong.

anarchistica
20-03-2005, 14:50
Oh, even more basic. :p

The were called Istari by the Elves, Wizards by men. Istar means wise (someone who is wise) or wizard.

They're all mentioned here, but i must say Radagast wasn't entirely passive. For one thing, he had spoken with Saruman and Gandalf, and because of him Gandalf could escape from Orthanc. He sent Gwaihir, so apparently he was in contact with him too (the butterfly in the movie was both a reference to The Hobbit and artistic freedom). One can only speculate about Radagast's role, but the other "neutrals", like most Elves and Tom Bombadil at least managed to keep their area "clean", perhaps Radagast worked with the Beornings towards this too in the north. Perhaps he kept a network where information was passed on, why else would he keep contact with Gandalf, Saruman and Gwaihir?

Eldacar
21-03-2005, 08:42
I think Elrond is a Maia. He and his brother were given a choice: Become full Maia, or become mortal. Elrond picked Maia, his brother picked mortal.

rkunisch
21-03-2005, 13:26
I think Elrond is a Maia. He and his brother were given a choice: Become full Maia, or become mortal. Elrond picked Maia, his brother picked mortal.

Errr...no! He and his brother are half-elfs. They were given the choice to live with the men or the elfs. The maiar are servants of the gods (Valar) - look at them like angels.

Have fun,

Rolf.

anarchistica
25-03-2005, 09:26
Elrond, Arwen and Aragorn are all Maiar, technically. They're all descendants of Elw and Melian, Melian is a Maia.

Elrond is 1/16th Maia, Arwen 1/32th and Aragorn is about as much a Maia as i am a Frenchie. ;)