More info on Daemon book plus other things

[mycnh]

do you think they'll also reintroduce the hand flamer rules for it? lol!

No, but if you buy the "Seraphim" package (two airbrushes) you can paint whole rooms with it ...

[ChaosMaster]

Because there are others of (what will be most likely, knowing GW) far better quality, and much better value. GW's will likely not have near as many options as most airbrushes that most people use.

If anyone wants an airbrush and compressor and other supplies, here's a great place to get them, really good ones, with a whopping great discount: bearair.com

I'm looking forward to checking out these new daemon books. I hope they have more character than the latest Chaos Marine Codex.

[kris.sherriff]

Good news on the daemon books as I have been working on a daemonic legion for fantasy and am glad I will get to see the changes before I finish it and all my stuff is made illegal.
I will definitely be buying both books and mixing systems lol

Kris

[Art Is Resistance]

I wonder how much of the stuff in the two separate Daemon books will be duplicated though? I know that the rules are different now, but it makes you wonder - they've obviously thought they can save time in releasing the two together...

Foundation ink / airbrush - underwhelmed is the word - ever since I started using Vallejo I've not looked back.

[shabbadoo]

The "Unbound Defiler" sounds very cool. It brings to mind passges from Storm of Iron. Best to at least wait and see what the quality and features of the GW airbrush are before deciding to buy one. It all depends on how much bang for the buck GW puts into the airbrush. If you think you cannot wait(because you want to do stupid crazy camouflage schemes on your tanks and infantry now) then read on….

Iwata makes excellent airbrushes for a decent price(excellent quality for the price). Properly maintained, you’ll not likely need another unless you get really serious about airbrushing all kinds of things (or get in the habit of using different types of paints). Many people have separate airbrushes for clear coats(so that they never become "tainted" by stray metallic flake in particular), one for metallics, one for enamels, one for lacquers, etc.

The Iwata HP-BCS has a huge 2 oz. paint reservoir (cup), but you will notice that it will spray anywhere from as fine as a human hair to 2” round spray patterns. Very versatile.

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/...hpbcs_info.jsp

Always get it with the hose. It costs less. I prefer the braided hose, but the starter black plastic one is okay to begin with. Upgrade it when it finally dies on you. Here is a great price on it and the better air hose:

http://www.merriartist.com/eclipse_h...i-ecl-2001.htm

http://www.merriartist.com/product_p/bt-010.htm

If you want to do up close and personal work then you could go for this one:

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/.../hpcs_info.jsp

You can still basecoat larger things with the HP-CS, but the paint reservoir is smaller at 1/3 oz / 9ml. Remember that a bottle of GW paint is only 1 oz / 17ml though, so that give you an idea of how much paint this really is(perhaps it will be enough for you). On the upside there is no large siphon bottle in the way, so you can get real close to the model you are working on. That is important if you want to shade the muscles on your infantry(seriously, you can do this with a decent airbrush), airbrush fine detail/shading on banners, do camouflage patterns on your infantry, etc. The Eclipse range is great throughout, with a spray pattern as wide as a hair at its finest, going up to 2 inches (50 mm) at its largest. If that doesn’t cover all of your needs then you must be painting a car or house. Here is another link:

http://www.merriartist.com/Iwata_Ecl...i-ecl-4500.htm

There is also the Revolution series, which is also very good. You will note that it is very similar to the Eclipse series. The Revolution CR is the less expensive model of the Eclipse HP-CS, but the quality is not cheap at all. The spray pattern simply doesn’t go quite as fine or as large as the Eclipse series equivalent, though the pattern is still very good, having a range from 1/16” /1.75mm at its finest to 1.5”/ 38mm at its broadest, which is more than good enough for the average wargaming hobbyist.

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/...n/cr_specs.jsp

http://www.merriartist.com/revolutio...p/i-r-4500.htm

There is also the Revolution BCR, which is kind of a less costly version of the Eclipse HP-BCS.

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/...n/bcr_info.jsp

http://www.merriartist.com/revolutio...p/i-r-2001.htm

One important thing to note about all four of these airbrushes is that they are dual-action airbrushes. The dual-action refers to being able to control both air flow AND paint flow simultaneously. This is particularly useful for blending. If you want a fine misting of paint then increase the air flow and keep the paint flow low. It takes some practice to do this well, but you can get some great results. You can also purposely create splatter effects, such as for mud spattered up the sides of vehicles.

Iwata also makes a great compressor that is near silent for you apartment dwellers or those who have a spouse not keen on the usual noisy(and large) garage style air compressors. The Smart Jet is a great compressor, with some great features. It is small, yet still more than powerful enough for airbrushing little army men and their tanks, or bugs and their bigger bug friends. The Sprint Jet costs a bit less and is still a good, quiet compressor. The Silver Jet model is the entry level model. It is not quite a powerful as the others, but is more than adequate for general hobby applications. That is what it is made for after all.

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/...smart_info.jsp

http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/...print_info.jsp

http://www.merriartist.com/product_p/is-50.htm

Also, most paints require thinning to be used in an airbrush, and never just pour the paint into the airbrush reservoir (cup) straight from the paint bottle. Premix and then fill. The paint should be about as thick/transparent as 2% milk. That might seem kind of thin, but trust me, it is just right. Regardless of what brand of airbrush you settle on, make sure you look over the airbrush’s features before buying one so that you know it will do what you want it to. And make sure you clean your airbrush THOROUGHLY after using it, EVERY TIME. Trust me when I say that using weird cleaners to get dried paint out of your airbrush so that it doesn’t spit and splatter paint like a feral cat is no fun at all.

Always test your paint flow for spattering and spitting before you point your airbrush at a model. Just spray it on a piece of white paper you have handy. If it spits and splatters rather than sprays finely then either your airbrush is dirty(clogged with dried paint, a hair, etc.) or the paint you are using has not been thinned enough and is itself clogging the airbrush. Clean the airbrush or thin the paint as needed to fix the problem. Sometimes an o-ring inside of the airbrush assembly can be improperly installed after cleaning and re-assembly which can also cause problems. Make sure the parts go together smoothly when reassembling your airbrush after cleaning. I think that covers most of the bases.

[leonmallett]

Glad to hear about the two books - for various reasons outlined in other threads I (along with many others no doubt) didn't think it likely, and I am glad that the idea isn't apparaently happening.

The Unbound defiler just suggests so many possiblities for a kit wholly revitalised in the current C: CSM. Now, GW have surprised me with this. When people were formulating lists about what units would go into Codex Daemons (or whatever it will be called), I don't think the Defiler idea was mentioned if I remember rightly, but it sounds like such a great idea that you have to wonder why we weren't speculating about something on those lines before (okay, maybe some people were).

Any more detail on the Heralds?

Thanks Grimtuff, for the info.

[Killmaimburn]

Now, GW have surprised me with this. When people were formulating lists about what units would go into Codex Daemons (or whatever it will be called), I don't think the Defiler idea was mentioned if I remember rightly

It was in one of the earliest speculations when people were struggling to think of demon heavies (before epic and fantasy stuff started being talked about) it was the first demon engine that people could think of. I've got a bit confused with the demon threads, i think the one i was on got merged in (I couldn't find it after the first 2 pages) but the heralds sound incredibly like the demonic legion's heroes option.

I like the idea of the defiler unbound, but I'm intrigued how many they expect me to buy, I have 3 defilers at present, I'm being cheap and only using 1 of them and some plasticard for a not so impressive brassscorpian (most folks will use 2 or at least 2 whole more sprus so it looks decent)And now if I want to mod on the body kit for the unbound that will leave me with one defiler. (most folks who started with 3 with none) I don't know all that many folks with more than 4 landraiders- I'm intrigued how many core models the 'average' to 'moderate' devoted gamer will buy and what GWs thoughts on that are.

[Carlos]

Im glad daemons are getting their own codex, and a simultaneous 40K/WFB release makes sense financially.

The chaos Gods have long been the core fluff of both games and it will be nice to see them get their dues with a proper release, fluff, princes and maybe, if its meant for apocalypse games: DAEMON PRIMARCHS. How sick would that be?!

[possessed]

I hope the heralds will come with a healthy sprue of undecided ánd god specific body parts. Also am wondering how big they are... I'm hoping terminator sized.

[MutantMaggot]

At first I didn't like the choice by GW to do a daemon codex, but this has persuaded me it will be an awesome book(s), and well worth it. Like so many others here, I'll buy fantasy and 40k, and use square bases.

I also really like the sound of the new FP, and FI. 2008 is looking decidedly more cheerful with this. And VC.

MM

[Captain Micha]

Two separate books? Awesome. As long as they don't pull a 4th edition Tau (seriously did you see how much fluff was whacked out of the 3rd edition book to 4th? sheesh a whole four or five pages... out of a 60 page book that's alot!)

Unbound defilers.. mmmmmmmmm
I can feel the power of my slaaneshi nurgle force rising already!

[MutantMaggot]

Slaaneshi Nurgle. Very logical. Now if you just step thgis way the men in white coats are waiting ...

I wonder what the greater daemons'll be like?

[Merceus]

Unbound defilers... *tries to imagine sprues* *dies of insanity*

I guess im gonna have to take back what I said about not buying any new stuffs

[crandall87]

Unbound defiler. Sounds nice. I want to make a brass scorpion and a standing defiler already. Now I am being tempted to add a 4th Defiler kit on my shopping list. Damn you GW. Can't wait for the book though. Hopefully there will be a couple of army deals too.

[Rabid Bunny 666]

Also, he saw the sprues for Daemonic Heralds and (i'm loving this one) Unbound Defilers

The Unbound Defiler kit is an upgrade sprue for the current Defiler, making it look a lot like some of the "fleshy Doom-esq" ones you see on CMON etc. from time to time.

I'll be having some of that!

[leonmallett]

What is 'CMON'?

[reds8n]

http://www.coolminiornot.com/

this.

[leonmallett]

http://www.coolminiornot.com/

this.

Thanks.

[brassangel]

I just hope they don't give demons banners. They're supposed to be soul-attacking entities from a rip in time/space, so they had better not have frieking banners to "inspire" their own forces and tell us who they belong to...

[MutantMaggot]

... In fantasy daemonettes will have banners, if you look at the stufff from GD, but I don't know about 40k.