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    Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    22/February/2008 - Fantasy Flight Games Announcement
    Fantasy Flight Games to Exclusively Publish Board Games, Card Games, and Roleplaying Games based on Games Workshop properties.

    Roseville, Minnesota (February 22, 2008) – Fantasy Flight Games (“FFG”) and Games Workshop (“GW”) jointly announced today that they have reached an agreement for Fantasy Flight Games to become the exclusive publisher of board games, card games (including collectible card games), and roleplaying games based on Games Workshop’s family of renowned intellectual properties including Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Warhammer 40,000. Additionally, the deal will grant FFG the exclusive rights to publish new versions of the classic board and card games titles published by Games Workshop over the last 25 years.

    Additionally, a second agreement between the parties will transfer the publication rights and system of the Universal Fighting System CCG, formerly published by Sabertooth Games, to FFG.

    “We are just so thrilled to partner with Games Workshop in such an encompassing deal,” said Christian T. Petersen, CEO and founder of FFG. “Not only will we be able to continue the publication of some phenomenal roleplaying, card, and board games currently on the market, but we look forward to creating new games for the popular GW universes!”

    "In Fantasy Flight Games, we’ve found a partner who shares our passion for gaming and our dedication to producing the highest quality products,” said Andy Jones, Head of Legal and Licensing for Games Workshop. “e legacy of our board, card, and roleplaying games is in the best possible hands with them, and we are extremely excited about the prospects of seeing some fabulous new games set in our universes as well. ”

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    FRAKK YEAH!!!

    Okay, i take back what i said about GW management, they seem to know, what they are doing!

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    I'm very pleased about this news, obviously - but could someone explain why this has happened (ie - BI being closed only to give licence to someone else)? Is that just a really naive 'business' question on my part?

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    It takes the costs out of GW's hands and FFG will have had to pay for the licence. I think that'll be why this has happened.

    I will now laugh manically as all those people who bought a million copies of Dark Heresy in the hopes of selling them off at a vast profit now see their 'investment' collapse. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen.Steiner View Post
    I will now laugh manically as all those people who bought a million copies of Dark Heresy in the hopes of selling them off at a vast profit now see their 'investment' collapse. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Don't be so sure! We have the original edition!

    Seriously, this is great news. I, for one, welcome our FFG Overlords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coragus View Post
    Don't be so sure! We have the original edition!
    Ah, but is it signed?

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    I suspected something like this would happen. The moment I heard BI close, I knew that someone would be in there to pick up the licences. Dark Heresy is the most anticipated roleplaying game in almost a decade, and I couldn't see the community and the industry letitng it go.

    @ThousandPlateaus: I'll try and explain how this went down last time, as I think that the reasoning might be the same. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (the UK in the 70's or early 80's), WD used to be a gaming magazine. It used to publish (IIRC) articles for many things, inlcuding GW stuff and D&D. Later, GW decided to focus on its own products. After that, it decided to foucs specifically on miniatures. WHFRP got the axe. Another UK company, Hogshead, picked up the game, and published it for years until they closed shop due to the glut on d20 games.

    Basically, GW wanted to make miniature games and pretty much only miniature games. I suspect that it is very difficult for them to extend their tentacles into too many other types of games. GW has previously stated that it will pretty much never do a board game again, due to the language barrier in all of its countries of sale. If we use this excuse, it's just too hard and costly for GW to get all of this other material, like cards and rpg's traslated for other markets while also trying to focus on its core market (WHF & 40k).

    I suspect that GW tried their hand at roleplaying and other games again (in the form of BI), to see if it could be done yet, and probably saw that it was still too difficult to pull off. So they decided to close up that side of shop. However, knowing that there was still interest and money to be made, GW licenced out these other products, letting someone else pick up the tab, while still using them to attract new players.

    That's what I speculate, based on how things went (from what I read) with WHFRP so many years ago.

    Something of a side note. Specialist Games as died and come back more times than Elvis. Things are very hard to kill (look at the Squats). Necromunda alone has had 3 seperate releases in GW history. Blood Bowl like, a half dozen. The Specialist Games and now the roleplaying games are very hard to get fans to forget about. SG is now taking a different route (online material), and the rpg's are again in the hands of a third party. And in about a decade or so, GW will pull the licence and try to release the rpg's again, while at the same time disolve SG and try to bring it back into the fold, only to realize these still don't make any money. And the Circle of Life will continue.
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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gen.Steiner View Post
    It takes the costs out of GW's hands and FFG will have had to pay for the licence. I think that'll be why this has happened.

    I will now laugh manically as all those people who bought a million copies of Dark Heresy in the hopes of selling them off at a vast profit now see their 'investment' collapse. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Too late I am afraid. I sold 5 copies for a tidy profit. I wish I had a couple more now though because we don't know how well they will sale in the run up to the new edition under FF.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThousandPlateaus View Post
    I'm very pleased about this news, obviously - but could someone explain why this has happened (ie - BI being closed only to give licence to someone else)? Is that just a really naive 'business' question on my part?
    Not a bad question at all. GW is trying to focus on the aspects that they do best and those that have higher margin. This would be plastic minis.

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    I thought it'd be as simple as something like that (business is not one of my strong points!)

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    Exceeellleeennnttt!

    Thanks for the heads up, RobC.

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    I'm not complaining at all. I'm very glad to see Dark Heresy has a new home. But one wonders why GW chose to license the main distributor of Rackham minis to the US to handle development of it's IP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erion View Post
    I'm not complaining at all. I'm very glad to see Dark Heresy has a new home. But one wonders why GW chose to license the main distributor of Rackham minis to the US to handle development of it's IP.
    Because Fantasy Flight is one of the best board game manufacturers out there. GW isn't great at that, why not use a company that's specialty is board gaming? Why would GW care about Fantasy Flight's other deals, they have nothing to do with how GW's product is going to be presented.

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    Quote Originally Posted by erion View Post
    I'm not complaining at all. I'm very glad to see Dark Heresy has a new home. But one wonders why GW chose to license the main distributor of Rackham minis to the US to handle development of it's IP.
    More importantly, we have to wonder if the spelling of all future WFRP/DH supplements will follow UK or US conventions.

    Regardless of which style they choose, I do hope they can at least find someone to proofread all final copies before being sent to the printers. While I love my Dark Heresy rulebook dearly and hug it every night before I go to sleep, the sheer number of mistakes really drives me up the wall. I have spent too many years teaching English and proofreading translations to NOT notice them.

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    Thank feth at least someone is still handling GW's RPG and CCG capabilities.
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    This is wonderful news. FFG is a great company that makes excellent games and they offer wonderful support in the way of expansions. I can find no fault in this partnership.
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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    Leaving aside the question of Dark Heresy profiteering, I'm pleased by this news even though I have no interest in RP games. The decision to ditch aparently successful product lines made little sense to me. The decision to let another company run them makes much more sense (apparently one with a good rep).

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    When I heard of Black Industries I thought that this might happen ever since I found out that they published Fury of Dracula & Warrior Knights.
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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    hopefully all those, "gw is rubbish cos it closed BI" will now be silent :P

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    Guys, please stop derailing the thread. The ethics of price gouging can be discussed elsewhere.

    My response? I'm very pleased. I've not heard much about FFG, but I've spoken to a few friends since the announcement and they had nothing but good things to say about the company.

    As for BI, I hope that FFG sees the sense in picking up the freelance staff used by Green Ronin and BI, and considers using Mike as a project manager in some capacity. He did a great job on DH and, hopefully, FFG will recognise that and take him on board.

    As for spelling conventions... as a Brit I'm hoping they adhere to UK English, and not the mutant hybrid used by Green Ronin – UK spelling but US punctuation? Where will the madness end?!

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    Re: Fantasy Flight Games to publish WFRP, DH and Talisman

    Quote Originally Posted by RobC View Post
    As for BI, I hope that FFG sees the sense in picking up the freelance staff used by Green Ronin and BI,

    Well, I've heard bad things about a least 1 of them....

    Best news I've heard in ages this announcement.

    Aside from the wonder of more DH stuff it should mean we get at least talisman supplemnt too ! This calls for more wine.

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