High elve/Night goblin alliance?

[Malorian]

I was just thinking, if the high elves dislike dwarfs, and night goblins hate dwarfs and fear the elves, why don't the high elves just boss the night goblins into an alliance against the dwarfs?

Has there been anything like this in the past?

[isidril93]

i dont think so. i mean the high elves hate the night goblins more than the dwarves so if anything the opposite would happen\

[Malorian]

Why do the high elves hate night goblins???

[Lord Malorne]

Not so much Night Goblins as goblins, High elves 'don't' hate anyone but would never consent to ally with the vile greenskins on principle.

[hwd]

Would the high elves lower themselves to this? Plus goblins are small and keniving little gits and would clearly backstabb their little hearts out!

[RossS]

Yeah, I wouldn't think the High elves would even consider opening diplomatic channels with something as profoundly stupid, duplicitous, avaracious and unnattractive as a goblin warlord.

I imagine that they are still none too happy about Grom the Pounches little Ulthian misadventure.

[Ielnar]

Firstly, the elves would be disgusted by the goblins and anyone from Yvresse would go berserk.

Secondly, the goblin's wouldn't be able to stand the smell.

[Leogun_91]

I was just thinking, if the high elves dislike dwarfs, and night goblins hate dwarfs and fear the elves, why don't the high elves just boss the night goblins into an alliance against the dwarfs?

Has there been anything like this in the past?

No such alliance have been seen in the past. The nightgoblins fear the elves much more than they fear orcs, with orcs the goblins know that there is less risk of getting killed if you do the right things, with elves that is not the case.
The elves would also find little use of the goblins (except to feed their dragons with) as they wouldn´t fit in their organised armies.
Also no one trusts a goblin and the goblins knows the old saying "Never trust an elf". I also doubt that the elves at the current state would want to kill the dwarfs, the elves may disslike them but they are not that stupid and they see how valuable the dwarfs are in the battle against chaos and greenskins.

Not so much Night Goblins as goblins, High elves 'don't' hate anyone but would never consent to ally with the vile greenskins on principle.

Tell Eltharion the elves don´t hate greenskins and you would walk away alot shorter than you came (unless you was feeded to the bird ofcourse)

Would the high elves lower themselves to this? Plus goblins are small and keniving little gits and would clearly backstabb their little hearts out!

It is actually not certain that the gobbos would do a normal betrayal in this case as even fewer goblins would dare to stand up against elves than orcs, the high elves certainly wouldn´t lower themselves to it.

[Ielnar]

It is actually not certain that the gobbos would do a normal betrayal in this case as even fewer goblins would dare to stand up against elves than orcs, the high elves certainly wouldn´t lower themselves to it.

Yes, they fear elves but at least trust they can outwit orcs. I would take this to lead goblins away from the alliance because the lack of security in their own cunning causes them to lose their own perceived advantage.

[Leogun_91]

Yes, they fear elves but at least trust they can outwit orcs. I would take this to lead goblins away from the alliance because the lack of security in their own cunning causes them to lose their own perceived advantage.

That is a reason for the alliance to never happend, however if the alliance were to become. The gobbos might not backstab the elves.....they might run away and leave the elves to handle themselves but they might not attack the elves due to their high fear of them.

[Lord Malorne]

Its more a lack of belief the goblins would be of any use.

I did say ' don't ' hate anyone.

[Condottiere]

While I don't see the Dark Elves having a problem with using Night Goblins, High Elves neither have a strategic need to ally with Night Goblins, and even if they did, wouldn't trust them.

[Revlid]

While I don't see the Dark Elves having a problem with using Night Goblins, High Elves neither have a strategic need to ally with Night Goblins, and even if they did, wouldn't trust them.

Note "use" rather than than "ally with".

[Griefbringer]

AFAIK, there have not been any major conflicts between the dwarves and the elves of Ulthuan since the times of the War of the Beard. There has not even been too much opportunity for such due to the limited contact the two have had - with dwarves in the mountains and those elves sailing around the seas.

And the big goblin invasions of dwarven realms only happened after the time of the War of the Beard. Before those you do not have the massive goblin hordes close enough to the dwarves (and the night goblins have not yet developed the hatred of the dwarven kind).

And as said, the elves do not have any particular hatred for the dwarves - they might consider the dwarves a bit funny and have a sense of superiority over them, but they surely consider them better than the vile greenskins. It is the dwarves who do all that grudge-bearing thing.

As for the goblins, any prospective goblin warlord that would suggest an alliance with the elves would probably be tagged as a "pansy-loving git" and would have a hard time keeping his position (or his life).

[kikkoman]

Howabout Dark Elves? They're already willing to work with Chaos.

Or maybe a rogue Dark Elf that sets off to become king of the nightgoblins.
They've all got pointy ears y'know?

now I'm thinking of some bizarre situation where the dark elf just pretends to be a very tall cloaked nightgoblin

[Arnizipal]

Dark Elves would use greenskins as utterly expendable cannon fodder (just like any other race they "ally" with). I could see it happen that way, though I can imagine not many greenskins would work with the Druchii afterwards.

[Leogun_91]

Darkelves could probobly use the greenskins, I mean darkelves take pride in taming "untameable monsters", I don´t think there is muchh pride to be taken from taming goblins thou, blackorcs and trolls could be intresting to tame however.

[Condottiere]

Dark Elves and Goblins, or any other goblinoid race - arrow fodder comes to mind.