I dont understand why Malekith seems to think that he should be phoenix king just because he is the son of Aenerion. Does he forget that he was only the third child of aenerion, not the first. Technically, both tyrion and teclis have a more direct claim to the phoenix throne than Malekith does.
Not really, considering Malekith did all the hard work to put the elves to such a position of power. That and being direct relation to the crown is usually considered legit claim to the throne.
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Weren't the other two children raised by Treemen (and thus not fit to reign Ulthuan)?
As far as I can tell the elves have a system of electing their rulers, not going by lineage. Therefore Malekith should not have thought it was his right as son of Aenerion.
However by the time of his claim several things had taken place. First he had spent a great deal of time with dwarves, to whom family lineage is everything. It is possible that his time there (specially after drinking and chatting with dwarves who would see him as heir apparent) influenced him.
Also theres the influence of Khaine that Aenerion cursed his entire bloodline with. It could be argued that since he is a direct relation (i.e. child) that he was more directly affected by it than say Tyrion or Teclis.
Then there is the Macbeth syndrome. A relatively good, loyal guy sitting there with someone else (Morathi) pounding it into his head he should be king, its his right, and therefore he MUST take it by force.
Then again he coulda just been having a bad day that day...
True, and a great many thought he SHOULD have been king anyway, the fact that he was "of the blood" only being a cherry on top (DE book, pg 8, The voyages of Malekith) At the time of the election for the High Kingship, Malekith was actually in a pretty strong position, any way you want to slice it- A fair degree of popular support, bloodline, AND undeniable competence. Indeed the only thing that stopped his claoim was he was felt to be a little too hot headed.
That said, I think as soon as his claim was denied in favour of Bel-Shanaar, the seeds were sown. I think the good grace he showed in bowing out was a facade and he was already coolly calculating his chance at revenge from that point on, the discovery of the crown merely pushed to the fore what he already felt.
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They didn't have that system back then.
See my post on that topic here.
That only happened after Malekith was denied the throne.
In a way you could say the Malekith is Aenarions curse incarnate. He pretty much destroyed the Elven race as it existed in those days.
Also, he is meant to be a strong ruler, but he has been manipulated by his mother for over 5000 years
Maybe Malekith suffered from the Tai Lung syndrome - possibly everyone in his life told him that he was born to succeed his father, and when this goal was denied him, he considered all possible means to achieve it.
He was in most ways his fathers' son. He was a powerful warrior and leader. Of the other two children of Aenarion, the male travelled to the outer colonies of the Elves before disappearing and the female became Everqueen after her mother.
The High Elves are very democratic, to the point of impotence in some matters. They chose a scholar rather than a warrior to lead them after the wars against daemons but Malekith expected that his achievements would be rewarded, but they weren't.
Malekith had some good points, but the reason he wasn't selected was because he was more of a warrior and not a politician - which the ruling high elves were looking for. Malekith was deemed unsuitable for the crown because he was like his father - and his father was notable for madness in his later life.
Whether or not it was the rejection that threw malekith over the edge, or a combination of the circuit of iron and the inherant madness of his bloodline. But GW have never been too clear on why malekith turned evil - clearly they are waiting for a suitable BL book to answer the question fully.
The fact of the matter is, people, that Malekith needs our help, not our scorn! Enough of this trying to kill him, he needs to go to rehab.
That works both ways you know. Malekith uses Morathi to keep both the Cult of Khaine and the Cult of pleasure in check, for example.
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The Cult of Khaine and the Cult of Pleasure are about to start a civil war while Malekith is fighting the High Elves after the Storm of Chaos.
Morathi bided her time until she could act and she did.
Morathi is not actively plotting against Malekith. If she wanted him dead she could have killed him when he had just passed through the Flame of Assuryan. Which of course doesn't mean she's above manipulating her son.
I honestly hope u guys have actually read the New Dark Elves because u've all missed a big thing....look u've been agrueing either a) the Malekith is Aenarion's son and therefore is right for the thrown --- however some of u argue he is the third son and hence not best in line --- and how telics or tyrion are more fit.....okaii ur all off....
Now if u've read the book it says that - page 8 - "Aenarion named him Malekith and took him as his heir" meaning that should Aenarion pass away than Malekith would be the heir to throne....therefore he has way more right then Tyrion and Teclis + his two other previous children aren't Aenarion's heir therefore have no right to claim it....unless they decide to against Aenarion's wishes....
Aenarion was the first king so there were no rules of who would succeed him. Oh, and when Aenarion actually met Morathi she tempted him, he was also maddened soon after by the Sword of Khaine, so any acknowledgment of successors would be void.
Now anything about Malekith being appointed as Aenarion's successor is "New". I don't even think Aenarion knew of Malekith even being born yet, as he "died" in the War Against Chaos, that is when he also met Morathi and when Malekith was concieved, meaning he would have been an infant.
Malekith was actually his second son. Aenarion had a son and a daughter with his previous wife, the Everqueen Astarielle. When she was killed by the forces of Chaos both children went missing, and it's implied the son didn't re-appear for quite some time (if at all). Aenarion never saw him again during his life.
You make a good point however that Aenarion appointed Malekith as his heir.
BTW, could you please stop posting like you're text messaging? It's against the posting guidelines of this forum.
Some sources say she tempted him, other say his love was true. Both are mentioned in the Dark Elf armybook so either one is valid.
Also, Aenarion was not insane. Bloodthirsty maybe but not raving mad like you seem to imply. He was never declared insane during his life or after his death, so any declaration he made would still be valid.
Malekith was 39 years old when Aenarion died. I think Morathi would have mentioned something to Aenarion in those 39 years
Also, if he didn't know Malekith was born, how could he name him his successor?
I had missed that Aenarion's son disappeared into the colonies- is this implied anywhere as the origin of Orion of the Wood Elves?
The Wood Elves came about after the War of the Beard. I doubt Aenarion's long lost son had anything to do with it.
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