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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Well, lol, I knew that.. but thanks for the reminder.
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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Well they dont actually say anything about the missing legions, Just the Primarch's and there could well have a lesson to be learned about what happened to them. Which could mean they weren't even given their allotment of troops. But if i had to say a trait for a missing chapter, id say rigid adherence, which would lend a bit of weight to the troops being folded into the UM. Atleast in 40k terms, They've changed since the heresy.

    So Girlyman could well have sent off the senor officers on a crusade/censured with a company or 2 rather than deal with them. Which could help with the browny colour/ dried blood. Which they eventually adopted armour wide as a mark of pride.

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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    I've come up with the following:

    Following the finding of Nameas, Lion of the Desert he was for his brief existence reunited with his chapter.
    His state was such a disappointment to all involved, as he was severely corrupted in body by the ruinous
    forces, his mind whas yet wholly his.
    After his death, the Chapter was coerced by the Ultra's to join their legion. Masses of Desert Lions balked
    at the idea of betraying their Primarch so easily, but yet some still joined the Ultra's plight.

    It was a Major part of near 1400 marines and fleet + staff that fled away from any possible physical
    encounter with the Ultra's, and because the Ultra's were themselves busy at that time, they did not
    directly pursuit them. The Desert Lions had plenty of time to return to their home world, and prepare for
    an extended exodus of their main fleet. The commanders and Techmarines had been discussion all the possibilities
    in eveading the Ultra's long term.. and several ideas were pitched, like travel away from this Galaxy,
    cloaking their fleet, to cryogenics for theo whole chapter (what was left)

    They went upon their crusade of hiding and sailed into the Eastern Fringe. There they found a world thereto
    not mapped on any star-maps. They managed to land most of their fleet unopposed on this world and went
    about exploring it. They found small settlements of humans of insignificant size, which were largely ignored.

    What they did not know was hat this world was infiltrated by a Necron Lord of immense power and knowledge..
    Through human proxies this Necron Lord managed to find out about the research the Desert Lions Chapter was making
    and what they might need. Fortunately (for him), he was in possession of such knowledge.

    He fed them, little by little the full knowledge of Cryogenics and how to build the casings they needed to make
    a marine sleep for Aeons.
    The secret hideout was build, and the fleet was hidden in a nearby asteroid belt. And thus begins the long sleep.
    What the marines had not foreseen was that the Necron lord that was involved obviously had his own machinations.
    He was pinching marines from their sleep as test subjects, some would die, but most would survive just because they
    were highly indoctrinated anyway, to survive hardships and torture, be it mental or physical.
    After several millennia of sleep, still they were captive by the machinations of the Necron lord.
    But carelessness had seeped a possibility in for the marines plight. One Librarian had manages to awaken within his
    Cryo-stasis chamber, and he had been able to free himself. firstly he went about finding out what position they were in and what was going on around them. Then he went on about setting fellow marines free, and with them he staged a coup.
    Finally after a long hard battle with the Necron Lords minions they freed themselves. The Necron Lord himself was nowhere to be found, perhaps having lost interest some years before, but his name and actions were still documented, and from this they managed to puzzle out his involvement.



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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    No replies? What do people think of this twist of fluff?.. Better then "time-lost-in-the-warp"..?

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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    I like it , quite detailed . I made fluff for my second legion army I was creating . I decided to repainted them as relictors and try link them with the cursed foundings and grey knights . It's good to see other people make there own legion .


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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    I am trying to think of more things to add, to add a kind of weight to the story.. making it more ehm.. fluffy and "realistic"? lol..

    Any ideas?
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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    For more realism try giving them a darker shade to there character as a whole in regards to the chapter . Due to there captivity with the necron lord they are reluctant to sleep for more time then is necessary . Due to sleep reminding them of there cryostatis . This in turn would have your marine near on refusing on to rest for longer periods of time with in turn would cause then to have an altered mental state I.e hyper agressive or prone to hallucinations and with the death if there primarch they could have a more grim personality .

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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Oh and another-thing maybe due to the necron lords experiments , any bionics that are given to any member of your chapter repair themselves . Similar to what is seen in the ultramarines novels .


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    The self-repairing bionics is a great idea.

    The cryo-sleep/Necron experiments is a great idea, sorry that I haven't got many ideas to add

    One thing though, you could have a Dark Angel angle to them. Like how the Dark Angels drop everything whenever they hear the merest hint of a Fallen, your Chapter could be the same except with that Necron Lord. Going so far as them to even abandon allies in the middle of a battle just because they received a report of a Necron wearing the same emblem or something.

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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    I like the sleep deprivation, on the necrons, I don't want to be that callous to my allies.
    On bionics, I had thought of using bits from necrons to do some conversions, but not sure how far to take that..

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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    I would include it in the look of the army , I wouldn't try make rules for it but use parts to enhance their look .
    I'm doing the same in my relictors army half sm half choas .

    Maybe grim Is the wrong word ... How about have them as guilt ridden over there primarchs death
    . So to help rid them of there guilt they always fight harder ? .


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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Oh and I have a website where you can buy fully bionic marines . They are for a different game but they are the same size as space marines . I'll get you the link so you can have a look.


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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    http://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=268


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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Reasonable reasons for marines being out of imperial history for a long time ( I assume this is because you want to cast reasonable doubt on your origins )

    wibbly wobbly Timey wimey

    Lost in the warp- done to death though, but still viable.
    As mentioned, fighting on a daemon world/world engulfed by a warp storm

    Marine fleet pursues enemies through a temporal rift or portal

    Yeah science!

    Marines are becalmed in the warp or trapped due to a warp storm. They enter stasis tubes to survive in an area between worlds.

    Stasis tube malfunction. The marines enter stasis on a long warp jump and don't wake up when they reach their destination. Chapter serfs are not techpriests, they can't fix it. Without orders the fleet/ship lurks at low power undetected on the outskirts of a contested system. The serfs and Servitors starve and die.
    Without the Astartes the war is lost. X years later the stasis tubes finally decide to finish the sleep cycle. The marines wake up deep in enemy territory.

    Damaged ship or warp storms mean the marines are trapped on a recruiting world and separated from the rest of the Imperium.
    The marines live and die recruiting on the world- generations of marines pass. Maybe they ignore the codex Astartes. Maybe they hold it as scripture. Perhaps they absorb the culture of their world.
    Eventually the storms lift and they are discovered by a ship exploring long forgotten territory.

    For their crimes against the Imperium (possibly claiming to be a lost legion due to warp madness) your marines are mindscrubbed and put in stasis until a crisis arises and they are sorely needed.
    Fight me?' said Honsou, spreading his arms to encompass his warriors. 'You think we're going to fight a duel? My warriors and I outnumber you ten to one! What makes you think I'd give you a chance to trade blows with me?' The Iron Warriors aimed their weapons at them, knowing that blood was soon to be spilled here, but waiting for their master's command before unleashing death.

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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Dusts off the little project here..


    My creation of the "Chapter Master" Equivalent;

    Szarathas (The Old Lion)
    Cost; 240 points.

    Ws 2+
    Bs 2+
    Str 6
    T 5
    W 8
    A 3
    Ld 10
    Sv 2+/ 4++
    -
    Equipment;
    Artificer Armour with build-in Heavy Flamer,
    Iron Halo,
    Power Maul, rerolling failed to wound rolls,
    Archeotech Pistol (twinlinked phosphor serpertia?)

    Special Rules;
    Character,
    Zealot, Fearless,
    He himself and any unit within 12" of his presence
    gain Counter Attack and Hit and Run.

    Background;
    Szarathas is the oldest alive son of the Lionesque [All further references
    deleted by Inquisition] Primarch. He has led their exodus to the outer fringes,
    stopping on their home-world only long enough to take all things of use to their fleet.

    He refused to be taken under the yolk of the Ultra Marines, seeing their intrusion
    as insulting to their former Primarch and their legion.
    Part of the Legion accepted the "suggestion" (some say, demand) to enter the
    Ultra ranks. Szarathas and his part of the legion took the fleet and hurriedly made
    their way to their home-world. They had some time as the Ultra's were mostly busy
    elsewhere, and their was no open hostility between the two legions.

    He is both the current Chapter Master, and the High Chaplain.
    Although he leaves most "chapter"decisions to the Council of the Pride.
    He keeps council with the Pride Council regularly, taking their advice on matters that
    he himself isnt an full expert in. He is thus a highly respected leader, and the "chapter"
    follows his lead almost blindly.
    Szarathas is one of the oldest and purest of descendants of the Primarch, and his ]
    personal physical power shows this, in addition to his stature, as he easily towers
    fully a head over most other marines.

    The chapter, although not at full strength even compared to regular chapter, is quite
    powerful, and prefers to field a lot of infantry instead of the more seen mechanized
    land forces like the Land Raiders and Rhino's.
    Their strength is in their boots on the ground and their tactics reflects this, and the
    predilection to fight like the Nemean Lions of their home world, at night or in dusk
    and dawn.

    Szarathas has led his marines to freedom out of the cluches of the Necron machinations,
    Although he wasn't the first to awaken from the stasis cells, when he was awoken,
    he thanked the marine who had been so, and quickly took stock and control of the
    marines who were active, to lead a active resistance against the Necron "jailers".

    They took control of the facilities on the planet left by the Necron, and requisitioned their
    Speeders and transport aircraft to help them get back to their cloaked fleet that was
    sleeping in space. Once control was established on their fleet, they started planning to go
    home.
    As the Necron were the only other surviving race on the planet, (the few human settlers
    had long after being used by the necron to dupe the marines been executed to a quick death)
    the marines had only their own resources and the necrons to plunder.
    In order to make the trip home, they had to take some of the tech from the Necrons to fuel
    their fleets needs.

    [-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------]
    40K: Chapter Tactics [Desert Lions]: Night Vision, Shrouded, Move Through Cover.
    The Old Garde: roll Ld on 3d6, lowest two/ Stubborn.
    All veterans and characters have this rule, scouts and regular troops have ATSKNF.
    Chapter disposition (premise for the build up of the chapter game wise)


    No tanks at all.
    Most transport will be done by their "fleet" assets;
    Fleet consistency:
    1 Battlebarge: Nemeas Leonis,
    About a dozen older Stormbirds are still in use (some in repairs, 12 atm operative), (and this might be an indicator that
    the chapter is very old), 6 Strike Cruisers, 4 Nova Escorts.
    Numerous Storm Eagles, Fire Raptors, and both forms of Thunderhawks (though the Thunderhawk Transporter have since then been extensively rebuild, as they do not need to transport any vehicles, they have proper cargo hulls instead.).

    What vehicles they did have left, they traded with other chapters (mostly the Dark Angels) along the long way home for resources and other things useful to their make up (from the dark angels they per example got the schematics for the Nephilim fighter..)

    Heavy Support;
    Devastator Squads,
    Above mentioned Aircraft,
    several Castellax Maniples.

    Fast Attack;
    Scimitar jet Bikes,
    Land Speeders, (regular, Storm, Tempest, Monsoon (which is a support version, equipped with a conversion beamer).)
    Assault squads.
    (Can use Corvus Hammer.)

    Elites;
    A few select Dreadnoughts.
    Vanguard and Sternguard.
    (Both units can use Corvus Hammer.)
    Tartaros Terminators.

    Troops;
    Tactical squads,
    Scout squads,

    Hq;
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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    Next character will be a Pride Champion.

    Each company has a (Captain) Pride Master that leads the first 50,
    the second 50 trooos are led by a Pride Champion, aids his captain
    in his duties.

    Ghorsal Thorn is one such champion. He is also an old garde, and
    it was he who was second to awaken from the Necron slumber, and free
    his master and fellow members of his chapter, after helping the Librarian.

    Ghorsal Thorn is a hunter, and member of the Assault branch.
    He leads the second half of the 5th (company) Pride.
    He nearly died twice, once fighting a Canoptek Spyder and a second time after
    fighting (both times with his unit) a Haruspex, and has needed extensive
    reworking of the already substantially existing bionics he had received
    by the hands of the Necron.

    Ws 3+
    Bs 2+
    Str 4
    T 5 (+1 toughness from bike already incl.)
    W 6
    A 2
    Ld 9

    Abilities;
    Monster Hunter, Skilled Rider, Furious Charge, It will not die.

    Equipment;
    Power armour, Power weapon, not sure which yet?,
    bolt pistol, Frag and Krak grenades,
    Scimitar jetbike with heavy bolter.

    He leads a group of 3 other jetbikes, or rides alone, he cannot
    join any other units.
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    Re: Desert Lions SM

    I bumped into another site where the Desert Lions are mentioned.
    Although the article in question is full of another fanboi's trash, which I
    corrected the article upon, and for my efforts got an indefinate ban for
    by Montonius, site admin. I guess they (in their quest for truth) become
    blinded by the lies spread by another 40K fan.
    It's a real shame, as they claim they want to only mention hard fact etc.
    but their (Montonius's actions) show otherwise really.
    http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Desert_Lions

    Desert Lions are of UNKNOWN stock really, NOT ultrasmurf stock.
    They have seemingly changed it so that Smurfs are no longer mentioned,
    but it took several(?) editings to do so.
    http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/D...t&oldid=314168
    So in the end it seems I at least got the page corrected to an
    un-fanboi-spoiled state, which is a win at least.
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