Rumors about after Frodo goes to grey heaven

[IllidanStormrage]

people have told me years later after Sams wife dies Sam too eventually goes to Grey heaven. gimili, and legolas go there too later on. is this true?

[Magos Saphentos]

yes
tis in the appendixes time line in ROTK

[Condottiere]

Sam probably went to the Grey Havens; Legolas and Gimli may have had to build their own ship, since the Grey Havens might have been abandoned by that time.

[Phoenix Blaze]

Wait, WHAT!?

Are they just letting anyone into Valinor these days? Or do they means the shores by the Grey Havens?

If Valinor, then once against, WHAT? Sam might deserve entry, but certainly not Gimli.

[FuzzyOrb]

I mean,

You can't simply walk into valinor!

[Condottiere]

Gimli received a dispensation; Galadriel was his advocate, supposedly.

[Eumerin]

As noted, Gimli got in because of Galadriel (his request for three of her hairs while they're in Lothlorien fits with traditional medieval "love from afar", as do his conversations with Eomer regarding Galadriel). The fact that he was very good friends with Legolas didn't hurt either.

Sam went because he was a Ringbearer, however so briefly (while Frodo was in the tower at Cirith Ungol).

[Suicide Messiah]

Was Sam an unusually long lived Hobbit? Or did he get to the grey havens before he kicked the bucket? Am i right in thinking you cant die in the grey havens?

So many questions...

[Condottiere]

The Gray Havens being a part of the mortal world doesn't confer immortality. Sam probably did live a comparably long time in the Shire.

[VeriNasti]

Says in appendix of ROTK - Legolas,Gimli and Sam all eventaully go there. Merry, Pippen and Arwen die though

[brightblade]

Sam and Gimli were allowed to go to Valinor because of their membership of the Fellowship. Gimli also had his friendship with Legolas helping him past Valinorian immigration controls (he wasn't carrying any foodstuffs or other contraband).

Sam was a ring bearer so that got him fast tracked.

[Phoenix Blaze]

First of all, I think we need to clarify things. The Grey Havens are the harbours in Middle Earth from where the boats to Valinor leave. Valinor, in Aman is the holy land, the undying land.

Anyway, if Gimli was allowed in, then why not Hurin? Why not Tuor? Why not Turin? (well.....maybe not Turin.....). But Hurin and Tuor? Their actions far out-shadowed those of the Fellowship. I'd bring Beren into this, but that went in a totally different direction.

[vampires are cool!]

There is the issue of Deus Ex Machina. Thats how Tolkien wrote it and thats how it is.

[Condottiere]

Humans have been blessed to pass through the Halls of Mandos, when they die. This may or may not be an automatic ticket to Valinor, without bothering with a sea voyage. Their final fate might be an even better paradise.

[Phoenix Blaze]

None know where Men go when they die. But I think Mandos does mention that they go beyond the sea, as in, beyond the sea west of Aman. Of course, this is before the Changing of the World.

But, they depart from this earth entirely, it is part of the gift of men.

[IllidanStormrage]

what happens to aragon?

does anyone know? i know he becomes king of minas tirith, but does he die eventually?

[Condottiere]

It's also in the appendix.

He lives a long life and voluntarily passes away, just before he feels that his faculties will desert him; Arwen is against it, but accepts the inevitable.

[IllidanStormrage]

oh cool thanks for the response

[Eldarion]

Yep then His Son Eldarion takes the Throne of Gondor and all the remaining elven lands in Middle earth.

[melgorth]

Of course Frodo, Bilbo, Sam and Gimli would also all have died eventually as well, as Valinor doesn't confer immortality upon its inhabitants and would more likely hasten their deaths if they are anything like men. I also think that I have read somewhere that Frodo was only granted a position on Tol Eressea within sight of the Undying Lands, not within the lands themselves.