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    Chaos & Tyranids?

    Assuming a Tyranid Hive fleet, or part of one attacked a planet ruled by one of the Chaos Powers, but that the hive fleet was defeated in space with only part of its ground forces deployed, do you think it would be viable given that the hive mind link was broken for the remaining gaunts and other non-synapse creatures to be tainted by chaos?

    I am assuming that they would, unless killed in battle or whatever, survive in a similar manner to other apparently 'nid related creatures such as the Catachan Devil and that old Carniflex, what was his name, old one eye, or whatever.

    Given that they had no link to the hive mind would a chaos sorcerer or pysker or even a daemon prince be able to bend them to the cause, creating things like plague biovores, or khornite gaunts and the like. Perhaps even a Soul Grinder with the body of a Hive Tyrant or something. (I assume even a Hive Tyrant cut off from the Hive Mind for any lenght of time would become suseptable.)

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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    Not really... they could possibly be possessed (not the Synapses - they ARE the Hive Mind, in total, but the Hive Mind is not weakened by their loss [The Hive MIND, not the Hive]), but not turned, as they would be only animals, not able to provide the intellectual engagement required for being turned to Chaos.
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    I think thats a very good point, you dont seem to get demonic animals, and that is what a non-synapse tyranid creature is.

    Chaos feed on emotions and wants, needs - a creature that has none of them has no chance of falling to chaos.

    Chaos tyranids is an utterly mute point and should go the same way as 'chaos grey knights'

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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    I'd say though Tyranids are soulless, they cannot be turned. It might be possible for Tzeentch zto somehow confuse som lesser hive creatures, though.

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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    Quote Originally Posted by BramGaunt View Post
    I'd say though Tyranids are soulless, they cannot be turned. It might be possible for Tzeentch zto somehow confuse som lesser hive creatures, though.
    Well yes - but thats just saying that they can be affected by the physical manifestations of daemonic power - which isnt the same as them 'turning' to chaos.

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    There are Chaos hounds. I could see gaunts left behind being turned into something similar.
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    Chaos Hounds are the physical representations our minds create for a certain type of daemon.

    Not an animal turned to chaos.
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    WHFB chaos hounds are just mutated hounds, not sure about 40k though
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    all things can be corrupted by the taint of chaos. they don’t even have to be alive to be chaotic, so mere animals could easily be chaotic. I’m not so sure about possession, as their minds work differently to that of other creatures; but chaos could probably feed them false commands through their synapse network to make them do its bidding.

    And then ofcourse there's the old khorne/genestealer cults:
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    Isn't the FW Spined Chaos Beast the result of warp exposure to non-sentient fauna? If so, "stranded" tyranids and tau would most likely end up a near mindless violent predator. Not like you'd notice a change in the tyranid's behavior.
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    genestealer cults uset to be able to be upgraded to chaos genestealer cults back in RT.

    also remeber some fluff about a nid ship beeing corrupted and turned to chaos.
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    A tyranid hiveship was injected and turned with the obliterator virus.

    Genestealers are self-aware/sentient, so they wouldn't apply to the animals thing. There have been instances in fluff (not just the rules) of chaos genestealers, like the Ragnar series.

    However. Animals certainly feel fear, and rage, and lust. They don't have to be sentient; it's emotions that feed the dark gods.

    Dunno if an animal can feel hope. That's a bit beyond them, I think. But khorne/nurgle/slaanesh would be fair game, I guess.

    Plus I think there are instances of chaos-affected animals in the Gaunts Ghosts series.
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    I don't know about in the Gaunt's Ghosts books. I could be wrong, but I don't remember anything that wasn't some kind of Warp-fueled construct, like the tank-lion and the Wire-Wolves.
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    Wait, that was it. A wire-wolf. Nevermind.
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    But here is the thing. Chaos needs you to make a choice to turn to them. You don't have to know that is the choice you are making or even know that you are making a choice at all. But you have to choose Chaos somewhere along the line. That's really the true horror of Chaos. All it's followers have at some point or another chosen to be that.

    Tyranids, even stranded ones would never do that. They might fight as part of a Chaos warband if you can find some means to control them. They might be mutated into some half demonic creature or other horror but they will not be Chaos followers.

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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    what if the Hive Mind turned to Chaos?


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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    Why would it? It's at least as powerful as the Chaos gods and since it's a psychic entity that have an entire race slaved to it and effective immortality already what would it stand to gain?

    And of course, it might not even be able to. It might just be so completely alien that they are incompatible. Chaos is very much a product of our Galaxy. The Nids are not.

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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Firaxin View Post
    Chaos Hounds are the physical representations our minds create for a certain type of daemon.

    Not an animal turned to chaos.
    Not really, in WFB there are Chaos hounds and in IA:6 siege of Vraks part 2 there are Chaos hounds again, which are daemonic but just normal hounds corrupted by Chaos powers.
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    Chaos corrupts none reasoning flora & fauna as much as reasoning ones, so I couldn't see any reason why if tyranids are stranded they wouldn't be altered/corrupted.

    It's not like tyranids are immune to chaos influence any more than a cow is.
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    Re: Chaos & Tyranids?

    would you really notice if a tyranid turned chaotic? i mean, its not like a few extra tentacles would go amiss, and their already hyperviolent and attack anything they see; so whats the real difference?
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