why do this? why name the 1000 chapters? has'nt it be said that no one knows how many chapters there really are? the fans make their own chapter and its one of the 1000. is'nt that the reason gw never intended to name all 1000? where does my chapter fit in? great! now we can have fanboys tell me my chapter is'nt on the "1000 chapters" list so its not a "real" chapter...
Isn't the Chapter Master of the Red Wings Cecil Harvey?
As for your project, I think it it a great idea. Do you have plans for old/alternate/one off paint schemes, like the Red Scorpions lightening of their gray from nearly black to charcoal and their pursuit pattern? What of including a section for known Company Markings just for completeness, since there can't be too much past the big names covered by Forgeworld and the codicies?
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As fanfluff your invented things will anyway never be part of what is recognized as official (unless you get it published). Otherwise stop whining and read Philip's description of the project.why do this? why name the 1000 chapters? has'nt it be said that no one knows how many chapters there really are? the fans make their own chapter and its one of the 1000. is'nt that the reason gw never intended to name all 1000? where does my chapter fit in? great! now we can have fanboys tell me my chapter is'nt on the "1000 chapters" list so its not a "real" chapter...
In White Dwarf Issue 293 US (Nov 2004) they introduced four "original Chapters", those of which included the Sons of Jaghatai by Chris Blair, Knights of Dorn by Andy Brown, The Hospitalizers by John Fitzsimons, and the Emperor's Shadows by Victoria Lamb. Not sure if they are official, but they were in the issue above between pages 94-95.Originally Posted by DrMabutu
Hope that helps.
Are you sure that that was written "Hospitalizers" and not sth like "Hospitallers"?
inquisitor, why don't YOU go back and read what games workshop has said time and again about never attemping to name all the chapters because fans are incouraged to make their own up. in fact, wiseass, rick p. has said he never wanted it set in stone(and also said 1000 might not be a correct number).
Oops! It's Hospitalers.
Actually all are now quite official as they are published also in the back of the How To Paint Space Marines book.
And just where does Rick Priestley work again? Not at GW. He left a couple of months ago.
So what he has said in the past means nothing at this point.
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Oooooh, getting personal. Maybe wanna go and implement that into your fictious Space Marine Chapter's background? :Pinquisitor, why don't YOU go back and read what games workshop has said time and again about never attemping to name all the chapters because fans are incouraged to make their own up. in fact, wiseass, rick p. has said he never wanted it set in stone(and also said 1000 might not be a correct number).
Plus "time and again" is not a valid source. Provide one where GW says: do not go forth and name all known chapters, then come back to play with the adults.
Even though I also disagree with bound for glory, this makes no sense. So when he left the HH Artbook became non-canon? And so did the entire body of work of Gav Thorpe, Marijan von Staufer, Andy Chambers and Alessio Cavatore?
You raise a valid point which brings into light an issue I have tried to be very sensitive to. I think none of here want one fan to set themselves up to lord it over another.
Please do not think of this project as being set in stone, or trying to exclude anyone. Think of it more as a resource for fans. A place where you can browse all the known canon and fan made chapters on the web. It also includes links to forums and resources (like the excellent Space Marine painter, or the DIY guide on B+C) for those who may be inspired to create a chapter themselves. I like to think what we are empowering other fans, and the project is structures to respect that.
There are not limits to the number chapters. The '1,000' seemed suitable when the project was first started, it's mentioned in the background, and was a great goal. No one knew if we would ever get to 1,000!
Passed the 1,000 mark.
Even though the aim was 1,000, and we already have 1,013, there are no plans to cap it. No one is banned from adding a new chapter to the list, the list is always open to new submissions.
It should be noted that the 1,013 is a bit 'smoke and mirrors' as lot of listed chapters are missing IA or gallery links. This was due to the early aims of the project set up by Dazzo, and he had no need or desire to collect up the links of the chapters he found. He rendered up hundreds of chapter colour schemes for his gallery. It is only when I came along that the links became an issue. Chapters were no IA or gallery could be found were tagged 'MIA'. We hope to collect up the missing links for MIA chapters (and if anyone finds a IA or gallery for a MIA chapter please let me know!).
We have implement a 'prime list' which only includes canon and fan made chapters with links. The prime list is only 544 strong so we have a long way to go.
Double ups.
Many fans want the same name for there chapter as one in the list, and may fans take a lot of time to flesh out undeveloped canon chapters. This means there are a lot of double ups, and all this creativity is not going to be ignored by the project.
In the future I plan to implement alternative links (probably with asterisk after the name).
Where their are double ups the picture with be assigned first to the canon version (with the fan link assigned to the asterisk), and in the case of fan made chapters I'll try and figure out who was first, and then later versions by other fans are assigned to the asterisks.
The only requirement to be listed is putting a bit of effort into your DIY chapter. It seems a fan's pride self regulates the list. A few fans have asked me to withdraw links because they were not happy with their IA, and wanted to rework it. A lot of fans have worked very hard on their IA since being included in the list.
I want this project to be a dynamic fan resource, not some dry list that stifles creativity. I imagine the list will continue to grow and grow. I'm not going anywhere, I've been a fan since '87, and I'll probably be a fan the day I die; so the project is going to be around a while. It took quite some time to gather 544 links, I wonder how long it will take to gather 1,000? and with alternatives 2,000 or 3,000 links?
There are no limits. So if you want to add a chapter: create it and submit it (this thread is for canon chapters, so please post it here to keep this one on topic). Even if it has the same name as one already in the list. A double up will not show up at the moment, but one day it will. One day I hope all the chapters floating about the net will show up in the 1,000 chapter project.
Philip
PS: Thanks to everyone else for posting info, I'll address your posts when I next update. Talking of updating, I better fix that sig!
Last edited by Philip S; 15-01-2011 at 19:03. Reason: Added a link to the DIY thread - this thread is not for submitting DIYs.
i ment no offense, philip. i was'nt whining. i teach history at a local high school and there is a 40k club. i hav'nt played the game scinse r/t (i play historicals) and joined in. one of the members tried to force the idea that if a chapter is'nt named "somewhere" it is'nt valid. gw has always said "go ahead, make a chapter".
and hey, inquisitor s. i probly bought my r/t book while you were still wetting yourself. so theres that.
@Philip S: keep the project up, we'll continue to provide you with more chapters as they turn up in the Lexicanum articles
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Want to see my copies of the whole RT edition? And I take bets which one of us will reach retirement age first, so much for that. And since you chose to get abusive: I seriously hope you put more effort into your spelling at your high school teaching activity then you do with your posts here.and hey, inquisitor s. i probly bought my r/t book while you were still wetting yourself. so theres that.
spelling has always been a weak point of mine, i'm affraid. as to retirement age, i'm 43 and retirement can't come soon enough. peace, inquisitor. i did'nt mean to sound like i was whinning. you have your lexicanum project. i like the game "for the game". i made up my own chapter in 1988 when nobody considered a project such as yours or the fine work philip has done. you guys deserve much credit for it , too. but when someone tells your "thats wrong", about a subject that is, well, about make beleive, its a little off putting. but again, no offense to you or philip.
@ bound for glory - none taken, and I hope you are more at ease with the project. If you have any more concerns please PM me so we can keep this thread clear for fans to post canon chapters they have hunted down.
@ Inquisitor S - thanks, as always, for your support (and everyone else who posts here!).
Philip
Thanks.
I have no plans for this.
Nope. Do you have a ref?
The plan is to link to a page with that type of information
Thanks for the info
I have a link to the Hospitallers - I notice the project's gallery has a blank and the Lex has an image! I'll have to update that. The first two are missing from the Lex - I'd like to add them to my obscure chapters page - can you post a a quote where they are introduced? Nothing too long along with the page number. Do you have any images so I can create some schemes for them?
Hmm... it would probably be easier to join the Lex.
Philip
The Carcharadons (AKA Charcharadons Astra, AKA Space Sharks). In Imperial Armour volume 10. You can see the colour shceme and chapter badge here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuf..._PART_TWO.html
The Space Sharks are listed. Is that the new name for the Space Sharks? I was trying to read the info in the image, I can make out 'The chapter returned from the Black Void beyond the Imperium's borders as stranger to friend and foe alike, siding with the Loyalist cause against those they saw as traitors to the divine emperor', and a mention on the 'Blood Sharks'... (I wonder if a writer read my waffle on the Space Sharks?)
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I updated the Hospitallers pic in the gallery (and joined the Lex and uploaded a larger version there). Not sure what should be on the Marine's right shoulder.
Philip
Yes, the Space Sharks, Carcharadons and Carcharadons Astra are three different names for the same Chapter.
For those who are throwing tantrums over possibly not being included in the 1000 chapters list you should probs keep in mind A) There's quite likely more than 1000 and B) Hundreds have been destroyed/expunged over the millennia and as such any actual list to name them all would likely run much much higher than 1000. Also I'd like to add C) Its an unofficial, fan made program (COMPLETELY UNOFFICIAL). Even if it was official that still doesn't stop you from doing whatever you want, as there are no fluff police who periodically kick in doors and tell you what you can and cannot do with it.
Trying to tell these people they cannot put together a list of 1000 chapters is the exact same thing as what your worried some jackass will do to you when you say they might "lord it over you", something I find outrageously unlikely.
Opposition to this process seems to be comprised almost entirely of Trolls and Hypocrits.
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