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    Why do goblins go to war?

    If goblins are so affraid of pretty much everything why do they go to war?

    I can understand fighting for land and to deal with a threat but alot of the time they have enough space but keep fighting. I guess common goblins would go to war if the orcs told them to, but what about night goblin tribes. They don't have any orcs in charge, they have lots of room and there arent any real threats to them.

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    They are malicious little ********. Think schoolyard bully, only these ones don't do it because they're bigger than their targets but because there are more of them.
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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack of Blades View Post
    They are malicious little ********. Think schoolyard bully, only these ones don't do it because they're bigger than their targets but because there are more of them.
    Id say that they more closly resemble the scrawny borderline psychopath kid that hangs out with the bully and cheers him on when he's beating people up, however unless he's got an advantage he's a real coward

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    They are basically just smaller, more devious Orcs. They enjoy a good Waaaaaaaaaagh as much as the next Greenskin, it's just a slightly higher pitch.

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    They are malicious, they enjoy hurting people. They are also very stupid, they don't really understand everything about it until it begins.
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    It is a general misconception that goblins don´t like to fight, they do as much as orcs, the only difference is how. While the orcs go head on to fight, the goblins prefer to fight in such a way that they have all the advantage possible and the enemy is at the most disadvantage. This could mean striking from behind or from some hidden spot (like an ambush), or attacking the enemy while he is unprepared, or set up a trap by putting some captives and then making his friends expose themselves... typical villain behaviour you know. You can´t assume that just because they are small it means that they are weak and helpless, greenskins are not made of the same stuff than humans, a goblin can have the same physical strength than a human or even more if he is big enough. Also i don´t think goblins are as stupid as some people claim, they are definitely smarter than snotlings, orcs, trolls and giants, which is not saying much i know. They are not intelligent in the human sense (like good at maths or reasoning) but if they tend to be very cunning and also paranoid, as their own lifestyle demands it, those who are not so will end up in the pot or under the feet of some orc.
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    Oh I know Goblins aren't stupid, they aren't intelligent but they are cunning. However goblins are very weak. I didn't know they like to fight as much as orcs, that explains a lot.

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    They do! It's good fun for them. Backstabbin', Ambushin' and generally bein' mean are things they enjoy.

    Very good question though. Food for thought.

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    I wouldnt say goblins are really weak, they only seem weak in comparison to their larger cousins. They are probably around the same strength as your average man.

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    Stuff/Loot! Sure, those little runts like to stab folk in the back, but they love their shiny loot. I think it's in one of the older army books (maybe?) but I seem to recall that goblins love to collect valuables and show them off to their dirty rascally buddies. This, IMO, is the real reason they go to war.

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    It's not like goblins go of to find the biggest, best scrap they can find like orcs. They're far more likely to find isolated villages and farmsteads to raid in the night. Eat the cattle, have some nasty fun with the inhabitants. Loot anything worth taking, burn what's left, be gone before resistance arrives.

    Part of their vicious cowardice is also that they don't care what happens to their fellow goblins. A hundred goblins facing a vicious fight they can win are probably in a pretty decent mood. Who cares if the gobs in front of you are going to get a face full of pitchfork. While Bob has his pitchfork stuck in Nazgub, you get a chance to gut him and take his shinies. Everybody wins! Well maybe not everybody, but you do and that's what matters.

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalSphere View Post
    Also i don´t think goblins are as stupid as some people claim, they are definitely smarter than snotlings, orcs, trolls and giants, which is not saying much i know.
    I beg to differ, Giants can be smart it's just that most destroy themselves with alcoholism or going into the wastes, a giant can however be negotiated with and hired and that's even the dumb ones. Orcs are not less smart then goblins, they have less need to use it, when needed orcs can make plans just as goblins but in a fight they think they'll win they'll probably just charge, and blackorcs are said to be the most intelligent greenskins able to come up with fairly advanced tactics. Trolls and snotlings are very stupid so I won't argue with that.

    Both orcs and goblins have a mean cunning they use when they need to do so, both orcs and goblins chose not to use it most of the time.
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    I think you can get cunning orcs but it's just not a trait that has developed in most orcs. The day to day life of an Orcs consists of just beating up things smaller than you and trying to get good enough to beat things bigger than you. In most cases an Orc will be happier and more successful if it just learns to fight better.

    This isn't the case for goblins. Even if they become a good fighter (for a goblin) they will still get trodden on and abused by something bigger, trying to fight it by yourself would just get you eaten. It's a lot easier to trick it, outnumber it, stab it in the back, or a long list of other devious methods. These are a lot less damgerous and goblins have a much stronger self preservation than Orcs.

    In the end I think the difference is orcs like fighting then looting what they have killed, goblins like stabbing something in the back while it's looking elsewhere then stealing it's stuff before another goblin notices.

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    there are quite a few fluff stories when Goblin Warlords are fighting against dwarf kings to something of a stalemate. Also, there are many stories when orcs show that they are intelligent sentient being which can think in abstract ways.

    the whole "orcs=dumb!" is false. or, maybe not false. But very incorrect. Thay are "limited", not "stupid". A very big difference. We, humans are intelligent. And we are also limited in our ways to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kramplarv View Post

    the whole "orcs=dumb!" is false. or, maybe not false. But very incorrect. Thay are "limited", not "stupid". A very big difference. We, humans are intelligent. And we are also limited in our ways to think.
    For what it's worth orcs are getting dumber with every iteration. When I started orcs could hold a full conversation. These days they have trouble grunting out their expressions of aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snottlebocket View Post
    For what it's worth orcs are getting dumber with every iteration. When I started orcs could hold a full conversation. These days they have trouble grunting out their expressions of aggression.
    sorry for doublepost!! My quote-fu is very very weak

    anyway. In WHRPG 2nd ed there is a quote from an orc cook regarding which is tastier, dwarfs, humans, elves or halflings. And this is "modern" warhammer. And anything able to philospohy on such abstract stuff like "which is nicest to eat?" are an intelligent being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kramplarv View Post
    sorry for doublepost!! My quote-fu is very very weak

    anyway. En WHRPG 2nd ed there is a quote from an orc cook regarding which is tastier, dwarfs, humans, elves or halflings. And this is "modern" warhammer. And anything able to philospohy on such abstract stuff like "which is nicest to eat?" are an intelligent being.
    Shame they don't show that in the non rpg fluff more often. It makes them much more interesting than the kind of orcs they're doing right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snottlebocket View Post
    Shame they don't show that in the non rpg fluff more often. It makes them much more interesting than the kind of orcs they're doing right now.
    yes indeed. If they are quite intelligent and still chooses to fight, that makes a much more intimidating creature.(think Millwall fans here ) Than a genetic defined hooligan with no "free will".
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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    Given the current 'somewhat-dumb' status of the Goblin I like the Wild Kingdoms explanation, that Goblins are proud warriors mainly because being anything else entails having to work.

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    Re: Why do goblins go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by BattleofLund View Post
    Given the current 'somewhat-dumb' status of the Goblin I like the Wild Kingdoms explanation, that Goblins are proud warriors mainly because being anything else entails having to work.



    My interest is piqued! Which one is it?
    Wow, pride is one thing I've never associated with goblins before.

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