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    Tau Rumours 3.0 (see first post for round-up)

    Here's my attempt at a round up of the last year of Tau rumours. Apologies to those who have had their rumours previously summarised into round ups and thus aren't credited. You have our thanks none the less!

    From Stick monkey, September last year.
    New Heavy support platform. Basically immobile deep striked! heavy weapon and crew. Rail and Ion Cannon, and missile launcher are all obvious options here, but nothing solid with the rumor.

    Assault Skimmer. Something between size of piranha and hammerhead, fast skimmer open topped, assault on disembark.
    Update: Yes, its assault after a flat out move, and has the "drop troops along path" option similar to the storm raven. its supposedly a dedicated transport option for one new unit. (I dont place faith in this last bit, its very rare in current GW systems to see a vehicle kit limited to one unit/role...if GW is trying to sell them they will be available to more than one unit, or be a separate entry unto itself.)

    New Drop ship. Not the FW one, but something new. Holds a boatload of fire warriors, or a few battle suits.

    New battle suits. Not sure if these are the "next gen" suits or just heavy suits redone with out metal bits.
    Also Cypher on Heresy compiled a round-up of the Tau rumours as of April this year

    Penciled in release date of August 2011

    All current metal sets to be plastic (Pathfinders, Krootox, Vespids). New plastics are completed for Crisis Suits, Stingwings and Pathfinders.

    Plastic Barracuda as well as a new unit choice, which will be a new alien race (insert your fantasy here).

    Battle Suits - plug and play system. Essentially streamlined. Pick two guns and a skill or two skills and a gun. New models with interchangeable arms similar to Killa Kans?


    Rule Changes

    HQ and Troops
    HQ choices are used to unlock units for troops, so a commander in a Crisis Suit unlocks Crisis Suits as troops, an Etheral unlocks Fire Warriors, Shaper unlocks Kroot.

    Crisis Suits
    Mostly same stats but now 3 wounds, come with every gun option and you can choose what weapon systems you fire every round. Max squad size x 5

    Broadsides
    Can take Network Markerlights instead of the missiles on their arms

    Hammerhead Railgun
    Draws a line across the table hitting everything under it. Multiple penetration through vehicles, only stopped by a glancing hit.

    Shield Generator
    Only team leaders can take a shield generator. The shield generator functions exactly like the DE Shadowfield. 2+ invulnerable save until the first failed save at which point it ceases to work.

    Drones
    No longer bought as Wargear. They are bought as a unit and then divided as you see fit at the start of the match. You can mix your drones when bought for the point cost needed. This caters for Drone Squadrons as an option.

    Markerlight
    One markerlight can fire the seekers off one model. Seekers replenish and are no longer one use items. Skyrays will only be able to fire one seeker per round.



    Also...from BoLS (April 1st - so may just be a wind up!)

    1. Kroot HQ is in the works!
    2. Kroot to get own transport (Devilfish will no longer be able to transport Kroot)
    3. Kroot will get light armor saves (6+)
    4. Kroot shaper will allow for the unit to have a special genetic trait.
    5. Firewarrior carbine to get a grenade launcher (either explosive or EMP)
    6. Vespids reworked and getting a Heavy unit
    7. Firewarrior BS increased to 4
    8.Crisis suits will get “hit and run” ability
    9. Various changes to Firewarrior equipment
    10. Various changes to Crisis suit equipment
    11. New Prototypes
    12. 4th edition prototypes now “standard” equipment for all suits
    13. All HQ’s can act as a commander
    14. New type of “Heavy” Battlesuit (new prototype of the Broadside)
    15. Stealth suits will be changed to a advanced scout unit similar to Pathfinders
    16. Pathfinders will be changed to act as a type of Tau Commando infantry
    Now on to Ghost's rumours, which primarily cover new non-Tau models. Because there's so many, I've split them up and tried to connect the dots between the hints and match them against each other - my thoughts and interpretations are in italics

    General Codex rumours
    Not the next book, but probably after Black Templars

    Author may be Phil Kelly

    Army has 4 basic HQs and 3 basic troop choices excluding changes made by any Special Characters if there are any

    Return of 4 old SC, plus 2-4 new ones

    No Court of the Archon/henchmen type mixed units

    New Tau models
    New SC "Iceheart"

    Crisis suits have been completely redesigned (not just recut sprues and ankle tweaks), less boxy and including a 'morphic weapon'. The morphic weapon is actually different ammo types according to Calmsword's source

    New sniper suit

    Shas'O get a stealth armour option, may be an experimental suit like Shadowsuns, or the experimental suit might be a third option

    Allies and Auxiliaries

    Vespids get two slots (unknown if this is an additional two, or two overall). Kroot get an additional unit

    No Knarloc riders,though perhaps something big (new WFB monster-szied) for the Kroot

    Maybe minor psychic powers for Shapers or Shaper like character this is something Ghost has heard from other people and not stated directly

    Demiurg have 1 HQ, 1 troop and maybe 1 else. Presumably the Elite choice mentioned elsewhere

    Demiurg ancients are a thing Probably HQ, but could also be the elite unit

    Possible Demiurg elite choice

    Demiurg are "equal to banshees without the scream" so presumably anti-armour close combat, or at least have that as an option. This might also be elite unit rather than the troop one, or be a unit that does both - like a kit that would let you make Boyz and Ard Boyz (or Dwarfs and Longbeards). An elite unit, but being an upgrade to a troop slot to keep out the way of the battlesuits

    Demiurg and one other new race join the army, the latter being something bizarre or at least something we've not seen before.

    No Gue'vesa unit or models

    No Nicassar
    Updates!
    4 box sets, and 4 blisters in wave 1

    Demiurg plastic box
    Battlesuit plastic box
    Vespid plastic box
    Assault transport(?)

    Demiurg ancient blister
    New Tau SC blister

    Demiurg are apparently a lot less Dwarfish than the initial concepts, instead being more like little stone golems (Ozruk from WoW was mentioned)
    As a tongue in cheek nod to the fate of the squats, there is a named Demiurg (who may or may not make it as a SC) who survived fighting Tyranids and personally killed a large monster by drilling his way out after being "Swallowed up by the 'Nids"
    This Demiurg is aware that the Ethereals have some kind of power over the Tau (maybe other races too) but not the Demiurg, who have presumably signed up for political reasons and of their own free will

    Stealth suit mechanics may change
    Kroot fieldcraft rule - presumably switched to Stealth and Infiltrate USR

    4 new 'Tau' units*: Note these will not all probably be in the first release - there's 2-3 plastic kits here and we already know 3 for the 4 that are coming out.
    Dropship (carries upto 15 models or 2 battlesuits and 10 models, or 5 battlesuits)
    Fighter
    Snipersuits
    "Ubersuit"

    The Ubersuit is a Battletech/Mechwarrior sort of thing (probably Dreadknight sized), with a special 'ridiculous' ability that lets it rain down shooting if it stands still.
    Looks a bit like one of the Battletech Mechs that is named after an ancient weapon


    Some units have moved around in the Force Org chart

    Posts about Demiurg and Tau special characters apparently need to meet Warseer's 10 character limit, whether posts about other units also need to remains unconfirmed

    Thanks to Wyoming Fox, we have some new rumours from Jared Van Kell of Librarian Online
    The Tau codex belongs to Cruddace, lets get that fact straight. That is all I am going to say on that issue.
    Black Templars on the other hand was always going to be Phil Kelly's pet project. The only way Ward or Cruddace would ever get the Black Templars codex off him would be to prise the rough drafts out from his cold...dead...hands.
    Unless of course they offered him the Dwarf Army Book...............(whistles innocently).

    Some of these rumours [WF- In regards to rumor sumary posted up on BOLS - most of which were taken from Warseer] are spot on others not so spot on. 4 generic HQs are the Tau Commander, Tau Ethereal, Kroot Master Shaper and Demiurg Ancient. Blisters are, as far as I am aware, a new Tau Ethereal, Demiurg Ancient and 2 special character blisters.

    I've also heard that the Skyray will be getting a better choice of missiles in addition to the Seeker missile which is believed to be S6 AP4 Blast, however you have to choose the missile type at the beginning of the game so you cannot mix and match. Despite the payload ts main role will still be target marking.

    The Demiurg Special character is apparently the one called Iceheart.

    The Battletech Mech in question is the Warhammer IIC mech (no joke about the name.) one of the unseen mechs in the battletech universe. The suit itself is quite big, not quite dreadknight sized but it can "brace".....yes Matt Ward does play Spacemarine. The trouble is that it will be competing against Broadsides, Skyrays and Hammerheads, all of which have improved, a lot.

    Regarding the "HQ unlocks troops" rumour - Well from what I can understand from the mechanic is this. A particular troop type is associated with a particular HQ but in doing so confers a special ability on those troop types.
    Tau Ethereal - Unlocks Tau Firewarrior teams.
    Tau Fire Commander - Unlocks Tau XV8 Crisis Battlesuit teams.
    Kroot Shaper - Unlocks Kroot Carnivore squads.
    Demiurg Ancient - Unlocks Demiurg Warrior squads.

    I can understand the thought process behind the mechanic from what I know of the basic fluff regarding the Tau.
    However I would have thought that Firewarriors would have always remained as basic troops and an Ethereal would have unlocked Honour Guard but it seems from the snippets of info I've been able to peice together that an Ethereal confers Preferred Enemy (Everything) and BS4 on those Firewarrior squads he leads making Honour Guard redundant.

    Jared then later added this clarification about the above:
    From what I understand they become troops. However I have a strong feeling that firewarriors are going to be remaining as troops that can be taken irrespective of what commander you taken but that the different commanders allow you to take other units as troops instead.
    With regard to ethereals I believe that they will allow honour guard to be be taken as troops (with BS4 and preferred enemy) or at least allow firewarriors to be upgraded to honour guard.
    For the kroot carnivor squads and demiurg warrior squads and indeed the other kroot/demiurg units as well I do believe the rumour is correct in that you will have to take a shaper/ancient to be able to take them. For Crisis battlesuit teams I am sure taking a tau commander they are moved from elites to troops instead or at least become scoring.

    All that I can say is known about the Demiurg is that they are the Tau's main anti-MEQ unit. How effective they are I cannot say.

    Actually you might be surprised. My sources and the several other rumour mongers have started indicating that Templars might actually be next followed by Tau, this is normally a sign for me that what I am hearing is correct but with recent developments such things are by no means certain.
    I have however recently discovered that the Tau are in the proofreading stage of development which means that the codex is written but it has not yet quite gone to the printers. Now this means that all GW have to do is give the nod and the codex can be printed in numbers pretty quickly. All they then have to do is ramp up the advertisement, distribution and product support and we have them ready to go for our very much enjoyment.

    We have another snippet from Ghost about the other new alien race who don't look like they'll be appearing at release; Not Zoats (despite them coming back to WFB in Storm of Magic) but they may be 6-limbed.

    Also this from Stickmonkey;

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickmonkey View Post
    My sources are giving me the following general timelines of codex releases
    2012Q1/2 - tau (or flipped w BT)Q2/3 - BT ( possible WD codex)Q3 - 6 EdQ3/4 - eldar
    2013 getting fuzzyQ1 - SMQ2/3 - chaos legions (new)Q4 - ig or orks!
    2014. So much could change...no order givenDaemonsNidsDA?
    This is a long way out, and a lot could change, but we know the studio has long lead times. *
    Cheers, Merry Christmas.

    According to Ghost the new 'Crisis' suit boxes contains parts for the updated Crisis suit, an updated Broadside, the sniper suit and parts for Commanders (special issue wargear and weapons presumably, maybe more alternate heads).


    It's not that far down, but anyway... for those that tend to just look at the latest page, Harry has the following to say regarding the information above
    Fellas ... needless to say, given the amount of contradiction ... much of the first post is inaccurate. Some of that stuff was written before they started writing the book.
    No one has got all the kits right yet.
    I don't think they will be as soon as most folks seem to think given the amount of stuff that seems to be before them.

    Come on Harry. According to the rumours, everything is before everything else - The Dude

    Well, thats not true either.
    Obviously something is next. coughIGcough (a wave, not a new codex)

    But I think (for what its worth) that there is stuff coming for at least 5 other armies before we see the Tau stuff. (unless they release something in advance of the main release?)

    But as you know I don't follow 40K that closely so I could be completely wrong.
    Lots of back and forth here, more to do with when we're looking at the Tau release, so I've kept the original questions and responses.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost21
    Remember Harry gets info of stuff much later in the process than i do, he could be right (im stil annoyed about sisters of battle who will now sit done for at least 18 months if not longer)

    theres bt, ig, and i think tyranid stuff done, and sw, if they plan on releasing no armies for 40k until 6th ed i can see it unfortunatley
    I hear scraps at different stages ... I try not to get too far ahead.

    What happened with Sisters of Battle.
    I heard about them .... well, years ago and they were right there with Grey Knights an Necrons .... how did they end up as a WD release? and Why sit on them till 2013/14?

    I can confirm there is stuff done for BT, IG, Nids and SW and have also heard about stuff for Sisters of Battle, DA, Chaos, Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tau. (so that is just about all of them isn't it?) What is less clear is when they plan to release it all.

    Models sitting around finished does not mean they are going to get released any time soon.

    But then I don't devote much time to trying to keep it straight the way I do with Fantasy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenys
    Ok you two, so if I understand you somewhat correctly, then it "might" look like this:

    The next CODEX is either Tau or Black Templar (tendency towards Tau), but before that there will be (model) releases for up to 5 different 40k armies.

    "Logically", that comes down to:
    - The "last" Dark Eldar wave
    - Imperial Guard (Hydras and Veterans)
    - Necron second wave
    - Tyranids (as they need a ton of stuff since their release)
    - Eldar (has Harry mentioned it)

    As the Codex Tau is rumored to be before the 6th edition (which it self comes around July/August), that gives us a 3-6 month window for those releases....

    Could you please confirm/deny the accuracy of this "summary"?
    I heard that Chaos was the first 6th edition Codex but I am not sure if it comes just before or just after.
    (Or even if that is accurate)

    Originally I did have Tau down for the first half of the year based one when I first heard about them (Well over a year ago now) but it always had a ? against it as I had not heard anything concrete since and then I got the impression at GD there was still some work to do on the models .... so given lead times March/April was doable but the earliest possible date and never seemed very likely.

    All I have to go on is the order I hear about things ... I never get a schedule or hear release dates.

    So going back quite a way the order I heard about things was:
    Tyranids, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Necrons, More Nids, Black Templar, Tau, Chaos, More Eldar, More Space Wolves, More Dark Angels.

    Dark Eldar got thrown in to the mix as they were a back burner project and I couldn't work out for a while whether they were coming before or after Grey Knights ... but eventually got that sorted.... along with two scheduled waves.

    So whilst it is unlikely the order will be exactly the same and it is unclear which will be full army releases and which just more models .... (although you can take a pretty good guess) This is kind of the order I expect to see some stuff for these armies.

    I had Tau and BT down before Chaos because I heard about models for them before I heard about anything for Chaos BUT just because a project starts before does not mean it will automatically finish before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinankoku
    I just talked to our local, independent games store owner. He *claimed* that his GW contact *claimed* that Tau was being discontinued. I kind of didn't believe it, and after reading this thread I *really* don't believe it. I just thought I'd mention it as this was the Tau rumor thread and, well, that was a rumor. I *assume* nobody's heard anything similar. (?)
    This is obviously not correct as the the studio has been working on Tau for over 18 months.

    I am sure Tau are coming in next year ... just think they are a good bit later than Q1/2 as seems to be widely thought.

    Again ... I could be completely wrong about this.
    A bit from BoLS, apparently with a lot of recycled rumours so take it with a pinch of salt as with everything else

    -Battlesuit Commander: shifts ONE battlesuit unit to a Troops FOC slot.
    -New Close Combat Battlesuit
    -New Ethereal named character
    -Ethereals will get upgraded to be the "leader" role in the Tau Empire army. (so not the best BS, or WS, but other interesting army-support tricks)
    -New deepstriking Dropship (an Orca-ish platform on par with the IG valkyrie)
    -Up-gunned Drone variants (specific anti-tank and anti-heavy infantry options) which can be attached to almost every TAU unit in the codex

    There's a big list of new rumours up on the blog "3++ is the new black", including a chat log where the rumours are supposedly summarised from.
    However since within this chat log certain letters are bolded by the guy leaking the info that spell out "LOL I TROLL YOU", I think we can reliably dismiss this one. I'm not going to bother copying and pasting it here, but I've included the link so you can have a look to see where a lot of rumours that are going to get shot down pretty quickly originally came from.

    So if you start hearing about pulse weapons moving up to S6, plasma to S7, a pilot special character like the IG's Pask and melee drones they're probably just recycled from here.

    GW have released a set of new FAQs for the majority of the codexs dated Jan 2012 - apart from Black Templars and Tau. It's a very good indication that a new Tau codex is coming soon
    Last edited by Tastyfish; 20-01-2012 at 17:20.

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