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    Autumn of Fliers

    At the risk of getting the cr@p kicked out of me ..... after the whole "summer of flyers" thing (with stickmonkey)
    I have heard scraps that suggest there may well be something going on with 'flyers'.

    I have heard some snippets about :

    a) A kit for a SM flier called a "Storm Hawk" (A "Storm Hawk Gunship")
    b) An Ork fighter kit (might have been a fighter/bomber?)
    and
    c) A 'fliers' supplement. (...as the first supplement to 6th Edition).
    d) A Necron Flyer.

    Now you have to remember I don't know so much about 40K OR follow 40K rumorz.
    So .... I don't know:

    a) If you have heard this already?
    b) What I am talking about!

    When I hear 40K stuff it really doesn't mean that much to me?
    So I tried the google on 'Storm Hawk' and found this:

    All of the following is from: Tempus fugitives - Age of the Emporer

    "The Storm Hawk is a smaller, more agile transport from the same design lineage as the Storm Bird. Used extensively for small operations, as the Heresy progressed much of the STC data to build the Storm Hawk was lost although the Mechanicum have kept copies so that if it were to fall completely out of service a variant could be reintroduced at a later date."

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    What follows is the posts from this thread which seem to support this notion:

    The following reference to a Storm Hawk has been offered by The Auditor:
    (Also the nugget from Jes Goodwin.)


    Quote Originally Posted by The_Auditor View Post
    Hi Guys. Storm Hawk is from A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill (p207). It is a small single unit transport craft/gunship, similar in nature to the Storm Raven. It was in use with the Thousand Sons legion and possibly others. Space Wolves were using a storm crow (p201). Plenty of refences to Stormbirds in other novels. It would make sense that this is chosen as the generic Marine flyer, as it would then be a kit that could be used by both Chaos and Vanilla marine codecies. As has been mentioned above. Jes Goodwin was very clear at UK GD that vanilla marines would not gain access to the Storm Raven, but was equally clear that they would gain a flyer of their own in the future.

    First time posting, but as I knew where the reference comes from, I thought I'd but in.
    and provides the following details and commentary:

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Auditor View Post
    Quotes from A Thousand Sons:

    "He reclined in a converted gravity harness built into the crew compartment of a heavily modified Stormhawk transporter......"
    "A dozen warriors of the Scarab Occult stood behind him in vertical restraints...."
    "Within Ahriman's Stormhawk, internal spaces normally reserved for troops and heavy equipment were filled with banks of surveyor gear...."

    If they chose to follow the fluff they have already put out, we are looking at something bigger than a Storm Raven, but smaller than a Thunderhawk. Perhaps capacity of 20.

    Follow on from MajorWesJanson's theory. If the Storm Raven is a related STC to the Storm Hawk, then it would be a discard of some internal capacity if favour of dreadnought cradle externally.

    However, I really hope the design is something completely different.

    Also, the book heavily references the Hawk as a transport, rather than as a gunship with transport capacity. Read into that what you may.
    The following support for this notion has been offered by StraightSilver

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSilver View Post
    Well there will be something involving flyers for 6th Edition, and it will be a big deal apparently, but I don't think it will be this year (of course I could be wrong), possibly next Summer?

    There apparently will be a new Marine Flyer, similar size but different load out to the Storm Raven.

    Chaos should get a Locust equivalent, and if Tau do come out next year they should also get something.

    I hadn't heard about an Ork flyer, but I really wouldn't be surprised, although if that was coming this year I am assuming it would have White Dwarf rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSilver View Post
    ...
    I also had it from a good source (not one of my usual sources, and not as directly involved, but a good source none the less) that there is a big change coming to the hobby regarding flyers.

    I don't honestly know if that means rules in the core rule book, or a supplement, but they will apparently be getting a lot of attention.

    For everyone hoping for a Thunderbolt, Barracuda, Remora etc though I think that's very doubtful as Forge World produce them and the guys I've spoken to at GW are quite adamant that it isn't in their interests to tread on their toes.

    Therefore expect something similar design wise, but not the same.
    and this from me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Oh, and we get both Tau and Eldar next year and they both come with Fliers.
    and adding more support we have hastings:

    Quote Originally Posted by 75hastings69 View Post
    Whilst I'm not going to say there is an "Autumn of Fliers" (as the phrase seems as overused as the wfb equivalent "return of Nagash"!) I will add to this that along with the bits Harry mentioned I'm also aware of a couple more fliers ready to go (and being worked on). I am not sure if they're for drip/splash releases over the next year-18 months or to accompany updated army books in some cases (which you can probably hazard a guess at) but it wouldn't be inconceivable to hold them all in a "holding pattern" and release them alongside some kind of fliers supplement.
    I will just add, as I have said a couple of times in the thread but so it doesn't get missed. I have heard about a number of other fliers which I imagine will be released with there army books. I do not expect a big release of fliers all in one go. I have only heard about these two mentioned in connection with a supplement. I only used the phrase "Autumn of flyers" as a gentle nod towards the train wreck that was the 'summer of fliers' last year.

    Also if I am right about the timescale then no 'holding pattern' will be required as most of the other flyers I have heard about will come out after this with their books.

    and from theDarkGeneral:

    Quote Originally Posted by theDarkGeneral View Post
    In a month or two, White Dwarf will shed more light upon the dawn of flyers. Currently Apoc counts pintle mounted weapons as AA. Look to many Apoc rules being converted over to 6th edition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSilver View Post
    I had heard that Jes was working on an Eldar Super Heavy, hence my Baneblade analogy but this may well turn out to be what Stickmonkey is referring to as their Land Raider equivalent.

    And this is just a rumour and I don't know how accurate it will be but apparently flyers are split into 3 classes with appropriate rules differences:
    Fighter / Interceptor
    Bomber
    Heavy
    Which is interesting as not all Codexes currently have one of each....
    and a bit from me:

    I will say that whilst I also heard three classes .... those are not the same three classes that I heard
    and out of the blue we have this:

    Quote Originally Posted by RedemptionNL View Post
    Well, there's the Storm Eagle from Forgeworld:



    Perhaps this was thought to be the Storm Hawk? Or is that yet another Space Marine flyer doing the rounds?
    Quote Originally Posted by ForgottenLore View Post
    Apparently from the forgeworld site, here is a slightly more in context link

    http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Spa...tormeagle.html
    and interestingly this from reds8n ... looking very similar to the TF stuff posted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by reds8n View Post
    From a long, long time ago



    looks to me like this vehicle has been in the works for a while now eh ?
    and more from StraightSilver:

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSilver View Post
    Black Library have delayed the release of Dan Abnett's Interceptor City, which is the follow up to Double Eagle.

    The reason for this is that GW apparently wanted to include some new things in the novel that haven't happened yet (the so called "big change to the hobby").

    I don't know if that's new fliers, ant aircraft weapons etc but given the nature of what Double Eagle and Interceptor City will be (aerial combat novels in the 40th Millenium), and the fact that both Imperial and Chaos factions will no doubt be the central focus I figured it had to be related to a 40K fliers supplement.

    So I guess once we know a date for Interceptor City we will have more of an idea of this release.
    Some more support for the Ork Fighter from The Underdog:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Underdog View Post
    Sorry if this repeats any info from the rest of the thread as I haven't had time to read it all - just skimmed the last page but I can confirm the existence of the Ork flier. No idea what it is for certain but there are boxes on the shelves of the GW distribution centre containing what appeared to be an Ork aircraft - I assume this means we will see it in the next few months!

    (please note: I did not get a close look at this and merely saw it on a shelf at a distance - I did also see Necron wraiths and tomb spiders though and the cover of the next white dwarf - with a large Necron on it!)
    This from Kijamon suggests it is right around the corner:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kijamon View Post
    Heard that a space marine flyer (not the storm eagle) is to be announced in the next WD.
    Exciting isn't it?

    BRING IT ON!

    PLEASE REMEMBER THESE IS JUST RUMORZ

    I have based this on the smallest scraps of information, from different places.
    It is possible I have been mislead or I have put two and two together and come up with complete bobbins.
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    You're awesome, Harry. Just so's ya know.

    Or at least you would be, if you perhaps had an idea about the Ork flier stats as well..... Nah, just 'aving you on!
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    Sounds like a vanilla variant of the Stormraven - based on the same kit. Could be possible, it seems unlikely GW would pass up the opportunity for a large, core marine model.
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    Thanks Harry!

    From what you've gathered it looks like someone took a Blood Angel Stormraven, kicked all the Blood Angel specific crap (Bloodstrike missiles and Skies of Blood) out of it, replaced the Dreadnought carrying capacity with 8 more infantry carrying slots and hey presto, its a brand new flier...

    I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the next Space Marine codex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaria View Post
    Thanks Harry!

    From what you've gathered it looks like someone took a Blood Angel Stormraven, kicked all the Blood Angel specific crap (Bloodstrike missiles and Skies of Blood) out of it, replaced the Dreadnought carrying capacity with 8 more infantry carrying slots and hey presto, its a brand new flier...

    I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the next Space Marine codex.
    sounds like the Chapterhouse conversion kit. What I think would be cool, and want, is for a Rhino carrying version of a stormraven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickmonkey View Post
    I'm just going to bite my tongue until it comes out, then wait patiently for all the apologies for the hate I got... Riiiight!

    I reported what I heard. Getting the dates right is a huge challenge sometimes, and so I am sitting on my rumor bag a lot longer now a days.

    I do like the Eldar flyer. A lot. And my Samm Hain army will get many. . . . Some day...

    I also really like the Chaos flyer design. Was expecting something like the hell blade, and I am suitably impressed with the design.

    BTW, anyone fancy a plastic Chaos drop pod?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickmonkey View Post
    its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...
    This makes me happy as it means the Nightwing and Phoenix conversions I did from a Razorwing won't be usurped by sexier replacements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickmonkey View Post
    I'll say it this way, basically Eldar have a a rhino. It can be a predator, a razorback, or a vindicator, but it's still a rhino. Don't you think it would be nice if they had a landraider? Not saying they are getting anything here, mind you, but at some point to expand you need more than one chassis...
    Ok, this got me curious what could come along and be added. Outside of flyers I'm at a loss to think of something that could really fill any void, but without knowing 6th edition it probably makes the whole guessing game moot. It would be welcome to have some new projects to dive into.
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    The 'Hawktalon Missiles' probably mean it's made by Mr. Ward. If that Storm Hawk is acurate, I wish they've given that one to Grey Knights instead of the Stormraven though. Ah well.
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    The stormhawk info quoted is just some ones own conversion/fluff, found here.

    Sorry to let everyone down. I'd personally still expect a flyer for the next generic marines codex though, it would sell too well not to do it.
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    The "Storm Hawk" has been mentioned in the Horus Heresy novel "Thousand Sons", but, as far as I remember, without a description of what it actually looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaqTaar View Post
    The "Storm Hawk" has been mentioned in the Horus Heresy novel "Thousand Sons", but, as far as I remember, without a description of what it actually looks like.
    And other novels. I can't remember wich. I want to say it was one based in the current 40K but it might have been "Know no Fear"
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    Quote Originally Posted by destroyerlord View Post
    The stormhawk info quoted is just some ones own conversion/fluff, found here.

    Sorry to let everyone down. I'd personally still expect a flyer for the next generic marines codex though, it would sell too well not to do it.
    Yes. This is the same place my google search led me.

    But he has quoted that from somewhere .... or so it seems.

    It is the only clue to what a Storm Hawk is I could find.

    (I heard about this Flier from a number of people ... then someone put a name to it .... then I tried to find out what it was)
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Yes. This is the same place my google search led me.

    But he has quoted that from somewhere .... or so it seems.

    It is the only clue to what a Storm Hawk is I could find.

    (I heard about this Flier from a number of people ... then someone put a name to it .... then I tried to find out what it was)
    The quote from the link destroyerlord posted is from the Tempus Fugitives' 'Age of the Emperor', pg.31.

    Where they got any of their information from isn't stated.


    Apparently one is mentioned in A Thousand Sons, Chapter 12.
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    I was under the understanding that the rumours for 6th Ed involved their being a new type of skimmer/flyer vehicle type that included rules for the new range of 'flyers' that GW has been releasing. This would include the current models of Storm Raven, Valk, Vendetta, Void Raven and Razorwing, and would include the rumoured/hoped for models of Nightwing, Ork Fighta-Bomba, Thunderbolt, ect. (I apologise to the necron and nid players as I can't remember the names of their flyer models that have been released with their new rules - in rules or model form).
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    Flyers as a supplement, and not in the core rules? If true, that is rather disappointing.

    I don't want to pay more for poorly joined in rules that may or may not be commonly used. I'd rather know that these generally rather good model are properly supported. Makes me much more likely to spend more money on more models of them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnahabhain View Post
    Flyers as a supplement, and not in the core rules? If true, that is rather disappointing.

    I don't want to pay more for poorly joined in rules that may or may not be commonly used. I'd rather know that these generally rather good model are properly supported. Makes me much more likely to spend more money on more models of them...
    It seems foolish to assume that there will not be rules for Flyers in the new edition rules.
    I assume this expands and extends what you can do with them and introduces some more fun little scenarios or more detailed rules for those that want to get into gunship combat in a bigger way. (Bit like Storm of Magic allows for people to get into magic and monsters in a bigger way) without filling the core rules with tons of extra stuff that many people are not interested in.

    Also ... Why assume they will be "poorly joined in". They will clearly have been developed alongside 6th edition for the last several months and years! and I would imagine they would mesh seamlessly together with the core rules and not feel remotely tacked on.

    No need for the doom and gloom about something we don't know the first thing about.

    'tis only a rumour that it exists as a supplement at all!
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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnahabhain View Post
    Flyers as a supplement, and not in the core rules? If true, that is rather disappointing.

    I don't want to pay more for poorly joined in rules that may or may not be commonly used. I'd rather know that these generally rather good model are properly supported. Makes me much more likely to spend more money on more models of them...
    What if flyer rules are included in the 6th edition rule book for the purposes of using flyers in normal 40k and the supplement provides rules for full 40k scale aerial combat game, sort of a "flyers only" way to play the game, or at the very least greatly expands their use, a bit like spearhead was to tanks.

    At the very least this gives me hope that we might see the Necron scythes before the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnahabhain View Post
    Flyers as a supplement, and not in the core rules? If true, that is rather disappointing.
    Tanks are in the core rules; that didn't preclude Spearhead as a supplement.

    Quote Originally Posted by prowla View Post
    Obviously GW is happy to sell the flyers, since they're big kits that aren't that time consuming to design, and they fit GW's strategy to use large plastic kits to stay above their competition. I would expect all armies to get a plastic one at some point - obviously SM are first in line.
    That would be fourth in line, surely?

    Quote Originally Posted by MajorWesJanson View Post
    Design-wise, if they keep the wings, engines, and nose of the Storm Raven, drop the tail fin assembly and turret, and lengthen the body a tad, you can easily get a more transporty craft using some of the same parts.
    Any have an SR, and know if that works with the sprue arrangement in the kit?


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    Are people thinking of the Warhawk VI, as that is what is more commonly known as the storm bird, mentioned in Horus Rising. As if so that would be a HUGE kit, seeing as the thunderhawk is described as a smaller, sleeker craft. However, its name could end in ...hawk, would tie it in to the Thunder and War Hawk, like a family almost. Albiet a flying bullet shooting, missile firing, transporting family.
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    I pirticularly enjoyed the use of the word bobbins in Harry's original post, reminds me of happy days in 2nd and 3rd ed listening to Mark and Lard.


    2)
    As Bunnahabhain has said I would hope that the core rules for flyers and the reclassification of all vehicles that aren't land speeders, eldar or tau skimmers as such IS in the main 6th ed rules and flyers supplement merely offers force chart tweaks like spearhead.
    I have no doubt that most of the flyer rules we're developed alongside 6th ed but if we're buying another set of rules I want them to be as rumoured and possibly discredited now " one book to rule them all".

    3)
    Polaria's assessment of what it's likely to be seems spot on even the naming ( though please, god, no! after Blood Angels)


    4)
    Wishlisting: assuming flyers and skimmers are split it would be good to see the return of the pop up attacks rule for skimmers given that they'll need a bump to reman competitive for their points cost.

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    Re: Autumn of Fliers

    I just hope that the Storm Hawk looks better then the Storm Raven. I hope it has better proportions. I don't mind it looking like a flying brick, but the S'Raven looks awkward, like it's all front heavy. Something better laid out would be much better for the SM core book.
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