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    High Elf Rumours

    Almost exactly a year ago ....

    "I know they are not really on anyones radar .... but ...
    ... I am pretty sure that High Elves are the next army after WoC ...
    ... So that puts them somewhere around 12 months away."
    (Harry 25th March 2012)
    Is it time to do the dance?

    As High Elves are up next ... and folks have been asking for a thread ...
    I figure I might as well revive my old High Elf rumour round up thread.
    This lot was posted start of July last year ... not much more to add since then.
    If anyone knows anything that needs to be added ... give me a shout.
    Otherwise ... have at it.

    High Elves:

    Release Date: Unknown
    The next army to be done after the Warriors of Chaos release.(Harry)
    This would make them sometime early next year.(Harry)
    High Elves early next year. (Meltedwing) I said it first. (Harry)
    So ... High Elves are after WoC AND Daemons of Chaos ... but before Lizardmen.


    Author: Unknown.
    The book is rumoured to have been started. (Harry)
    There is a rumour from Ghorros over at the Herdstone that Adam Troke was asking about what folks wanted from the next High Elves book. Could be nothing. Could be he taking another swing at High Elves. This is a possibility as I heard Adam moved from his job on the web team back to games development about a year ago. I assumed this was Lord of the Rings related but it could just as easily been because High Elves were back on the menu.
    There is no solid information on who the lead writer might be.

    Rules:
    There are no rumours about the content of the book.
    Imrik making a return, his inclusion possibly acting like Skrag but for True Dragon Princes. (This ties in with the popularity of the Caledor novels depicting mass dragon combat, the Storm of Magic novella, AND the Graham McNeil 2 part novel.)(Actuality)


    Models:
    There has been a suggestion that there will be a flying Chariot. (Hastings)
    Monsterous Cavalry (Skeith over on BoLS)
    The monstrous cavalry are a form of lesser wingless dragon, akin to the demigryph.(Actuality)
    Dragon Princes riding some form of true dragon, (possibly limited to a sun dragon) Possibly in sets of three. (Actuality)
    (This reminds me of a rumour from last time the book was done. There was a rumour of 'Drake riders' being sculpted by Alex Hedstrom. (Harry)
    Both High Elves and Wood Elves may get the rumoured Treeman in their updated books. (buzz0783) This does not seem very likely to me. (Harry)
    A new everqueen sculpt coming possibly riding some kind of 'critter'. No mention of Maiden Guard. (Eldargal UPDATE: Now doubting the credibility of this source)
    Plastic kit for archers, spearmen and seaguard all in one box. (Bramgaunt)

    BRING IT ON!

    UPDATE:

    Posted two months ago by wamphyri101 from ulthuan.net

    "If I am to believe what I am told

    Silverhelms, Tiranoc chariot, ellyrian reavers and shadow warriors are moving to core
    Shadow warriors becoming BS5 (keeping ws5) and have additional hand weapon. loss of hatred though bar vs dark elves
    Were getting War lions as a special choice (same as storm of magic but maybe 14pts, +2 for vanguard)
    Lion Chariot moving to 100pts
    Rare Phoenix model like out of storm of magic. might be more like a unit buffer. something like an alter/Anvil
    Dragons becoming cheaper or stronger. T8 Star dragon with 8 wounds.
    ASF is probably staying the same but some units reduced in prince to compensate its lack of use (like a mage)
    +1 to dispel staying the same
    Drain magic will become out sig spell
    Shield of saph can be buffed to cover all units in 12”
    Monstrous Cav will be in the book…but nothing on weather its giant lions or Drakes
    NO flying chariot
    Teclis to become even better…but points to go up a lot to price him out of 2500pt games
    Lords and heros being able able to take things like lion cloaks"


    UPDATE:

    These rumours have been brought into question by hastings.
    Hastings has said that not only is his flying chariot rumour accurate but it is pulled by Eagles.

    I will add that I heard that the chariot has a special character option. (No big suprise there) can't remember where I heard this. (Harry)


    UPDATE:

    Indeed, in spanish forums people are discussing a huge pack of rumors since a couple of weeks ago.
    Belannaer may return.
    There will be new model to Imrik in a huge dragon (Caledor Dragon?), according to rumors.
    Hastings' flying chariot do exist, but may not be pulled by eagles.
    There will be a shrine/anvil (similar tu lumynarch/hurricanum) of two known elven gods. Some buffs could be magical attacks/flaming attacks/ASF.
    Dragon MC will be modelled taking Thaindon's dragon as inspiration (that elf dragon rider from the 3rd edition). Like current HE plastic dragon (which takes inspiration from a very old GW dragon).
    Do not expect to see spears/LSG core units in may. The rumor holds truth, but that belongs to a further miniature wave. "Silver boys" coming later on too.
    ASF will be lost as rule armywide (Harry said that alredy). This would mean a slight point decrease on miniatures.
    A less likely rumor talks that there will be a "Caledor dragon", apart from current dragons.
    SMs may have a path-choice attacks (+1 to hit/KB/ward save...), lions being slightly more focused in monster-killing; lion pelt would protect also in CC.
    Apparently there will be new miniatures for Teclis and another "plastic mage (Belannaer we hope)".
    Plus: intrigues at court coming back (maybe different from 6ed), no valor of ages (probably changed into a new rule). There will be a new racial rule shared by all elves (we are discussing if this could be something related to elven swiftness).
    There will be more core units (probably four or five slots), and more rare slots (probably three to five slots).
    Cruddace was not the HE designer, and a team would be working in all three elven races at once.
    Remember, all this are just rumors. Source wants to be anonyme.
    (Nopuiiidorl found these posted by someone with an anonymous source on a spanish forum).

    Update from Best_Pone

    I can confirm the flying chariot. It looks like a tiny boat with wings, and is pulled by a single giant eagle. It looks kind of silly in my opinion, but not much that can be done about that.

    As for the phoenix, it can be made up either as a fire phoenix or an ice phoenix. This one at least look pretty cool (or hot, depending on the option you choose I guess )


    Posted by Ozguard battlehammer on Bugman's Forum

    I won't say how I know but I can say that the next army book will be High Elves.

    They have a number of new things.

    Flying Phoenix's (Frost and Fire) that can drop flame templates on units they fly over. Gets abilities based on what is roled on winds of magic
    Great Eagle towing chariots (Which can have bolt throwers on them)
    New Highmage of Hoeth (Swordsmaster/mage) Gets every signature from all 8 lores.
    Everqueen
    Silver Helms as Core
    Martial Prowess across the board
    Archer units with magical bows
    Swordsmasters get a parry save vs shooting
    New Shadow Warrior Models
    The White Dwarf battle report is vs Ogres.


    NEW STUFF:
    -HE are going to get a new war machine that mixes RBT and dragon breath/flamethrower. Nobody told Maeltröm if its something independent or part of one of the flying chariots. He thinks that maybe a new war machine.
    -Some people now say there will be no MC, so maybe no dragons. Others, instead, keep saying there will be and they give very explicit details. Maelström is confident they can be one of the releases, since if they exist not there will be few new boxes and having two different infantry boxes is both unlikely and unnecessary. He will keep digging to see what he finds.
    -Next magic items disappear as you know them nowadays: Star Lance, Dragon Horn, Armor of Caledor (=Imrik coming back?). There is a new magic item: Book of the Phoenix.
    -Dragons have awaken. More and more powerful dragons. Imrik is coming back.
    -Phoenix King is going to battle.

    NEW MODELS (from MORE likely to LESS likely):
    1. BOX/KIT: Flying Chariot Sky Talons. Special character on it (Finubar/Eltharion) an option for RBT/flamethrower-dragon breath war machine.
    2. BOX/KIT: Phoenix/Phoenix Riders. Options for Special Character (Caradryan?), two/three types of Phoenix (Ice/Fire/Lone one).
    3. BOX/KIT: Infantry: 10 Shadow Warriors/Maiden Guard (Some say they will be in two boxes and not in a multikit).
    4. BOX/KIT: Monstruos Cavalry "Fire Riders" (dragons)
    5. BOX/KIT: Huge Dragon/Monster. Option for Imrik.
    6. BOX/KIT: New War Machine (as the one in the flying chariot option B)
    7. BOX/KIT: Great Eagles.
    8. BOX/KIT: Two elven gods shrines.

    BLISTERS (some to be seen on may, others in the future, others never). From MORE likely to LESS likely:
    1. BLISTER Warrior Mage (some say with option to build Belannaer)
    2. BLISTER Alarielle
    3. BLISTER Teclis
    4. BLISTER Random hero

    PS: Maelström's left apart some things that we are not likely to see in years such us SHs, Spears, SMs, New Griffon and the like. He insists on saying that new release will be: 4-5 boxes and 3-4 blisters, plus book and cards. No surprises (we already know almos everything about that very point). Anyway, it will be WHFB 30th anniversary, and elves are an army that needs something flashy that we haven't seen yet (as happened with Empire), and there may be a surprise.

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    UPDATE

    From Gloryfan1

    Swordmasters retain ASF (or similar) and move to Rare
    New Helf unit in core with GW


    UPDATE
    From Harry

    Heard about a unit with Bows and Cloaks
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    Re: High Elf Rumours

    Is 'Actuality' a poster's name, or are you saying the MC wingless dragons and Dragon Princes riding full dragons are a confirmed thing?
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    There has been reports of retailers being told to stop stocking Spearmen. This could be in anticipation of a new kit or a 10 man kit on a recut sprue that costs more per model.....I think it was first seen in the Release Schedule Rumour. A multi kit would be great but I fear it'd be horribly expensive to make up for all those options. Give me Archers/Shadow Warriors (and improved rules for SW of course) instead!

    All this mention of dragons does imply Chrace has had their time and now Caledor will reign supreme! I'd be very happy to see wingless dragons MC and a dragon rider in rare!
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    Re: High Elf Rumours

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Is 'Actuality' a poster's name, or are you saying the MC wingless dragons and Dragon Princes riding full dragons are a confirmed thing?
    Actuality was a poster in the HE thread back in the summer. I don't remember him posting rumours before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Actuality was a poster in the HE thread back in the summer. I don't remember him posting rumours before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Blaze View Post
    There has been reports of retailers being told to stop stocking Spearmen. This could be in anticipation of a new kit or a 10 man kit on a recut sprue that costs more per model.....I think it was first seen in the Release Schedule Rumour. A multi kit would be great but I fear it'd be horribly expensive to make up for all those options. Give me Archers/Shadow Warriors (and improved rules for SW of course) instead!
    It shouldn't really be that hard, particularly if things are actually scaled properly and they do light armour as default for all three units, all they need is a selection of head options and arm options. Consider all the bits they crammed onto the forsaken sprues, and those are significantly larger models than elves are (some of the arm options are downright huge). A multi-box would solve a lot of issues, including poor core models, as well as take up less retailer shelf space. Doesn't mean it is guaranteed, but there are a lot of reasons to replace eleven year old kits. It isn't like GW hasn't gotten its return on the current versions, and demand for new ones (and new core plastics in general*) is pretty darn high!


    *almost every 8th edition release has been accompanied by some variation of 'why didn't they replace gobbos/marauders/tk skeletons/etc,' and every high elf discussion wanders into a discussion about replacing Mr. Bighands.
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    I can see HE being the army of dragons and magic. And i love the idea.
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    The Forsaken kit is £30. Careful what you wish for!


    I think it would have been interesting if there is a Spearmen kit and an Archer kit and both include bitz for Sea Guard (who are a mix of the two).
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    While they have been doing dual kits from some time now i find it very unlikely that high elfs will be reduced to one core box containing all options. That is unless silver helms move to core ofcourse. Any box containing spearmen and archer would obviously be seaguard too. (the single pose ones dont count).
    My guess would be archers dual kit with shadow warriors and spearmen dual kit with seaguard.

    Oh and here's to hoping for ball socket joints on any new units. (and full multi part)
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    The Everqueen riding "some sort of critter"?

    I can't imagine what will it be... Unless of course they want to make the Everqueen some sort of anti-Morathi (which she admittedly is in background) and hence give her a Pegasus. Anything more fighty than that (a Griffon, a Dragon) would sit ill with the Everqueen's general theme of pacifism.
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    I have the following rumours from ulthuan.net (the main website for high elves), from wamphyri101 posted two months ago. It`s not mine so... Maybe Harry and Hasting can confirm/deny or accept some of them and add them:

    "If I am to believe what I am told

    Silverhelms, Tiranoc chariot, ellyrian reavers and shadow warriors are moving to core
    Shadow warriors becoming BS5 (keeping ws5) and have additional hand weapon. loss of hatred though bar vs dark elves

    Were getting War lions as a special choice (same as storm of magic but maybe 14pts, +2 for vanguard)
    Lion Chariot moving to 100pts

    Rare Phoenix model like out of storm of magic. might be more like a unit buffer. something like an alter/Anvil
    Dragons becoming cheaper or stronger. T8 Star dragon with 8 wounds.

    ASF is probably staying the same but some units reduced in prince to compensate its lack of use (like a mage)

    +1 to dispel staying the same
    Drain magic will become out sig spell
    Shield of saph can be buffed to cover all units in 12”

    Monstrous Cav will be in the book…but nothing on weather its giant lions or Drakes
    NO flying chariot

    Teclis to become even better…but points to go up a lot to price him out of 2500pt games
    Lords and heros being able able to take things like lion cloaks"
    Source at the end of the page: http://www.ulthuan.net/forum/viewtop...43668&start=30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvertongue View Post
    The Everqueen riding "some sort of critter"?

    I can't imagine what will it be... Unless of course they want to make the Everqueen some sort of anti-Morathi (which she admittedly is in background) and hence give her a Pegasus. Anything more fighty than that (a Griffon, a Dragon) would sit ill with the Everqueen's general theme of pacifism.
    Everqueen as an option for the flying chariot perhaps like Karl Franz on the imperial griffin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stromez Grom View Post
    I have the following rumours from ulthuan.net (the main website for high elves), posted two months ago. It`s not mine so... Maybe Harry and Hasting can confirm/deny or accept some of them and add them:



    Source at the end of the page: http://www.ulthuan.net/forum/viewtop...43668&start=30

    I Wonder where wamphyri101 got those rumors, with no source (not even a general explanation) I am a bit worried that he might be "unwillingly misleading the High Elf community".
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    That sounds like wishlisting to me. And contradicting H&H (about the flying chariot) usually indicates that you are wrong.
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    Sincerely I don`t know where wamphyri101 got those rumors. He`s an old user of ulthuan.net that usually posts news. It could be a wishlist or not... Most of them sounds possible... Who knows... But I`ve also heard this many times before he posted it:

    "Rare Phoenix model like out of storm of magic. might be more like a unit buffer. something like an alter/Anvil"
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    All speculation based on what others have got.
    Everyone get a centre piece, empire got buff shrines chaos got that last time.
    And then the usual, choices from SOM showing up in army books. Which is said before every book but never happens.

    I agree that high elves should be a synergy army but I never liked the idea of buff shrines.
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    Looks like wishlisting to me, too many informations about changes to existing units from several month ago, with rules informations, and the only new entries are usual predictions based on existing things (this time inspired from Storm of Magic entries)

    But the little thing that for me is the more telling are Shadow warrios as core : I just don't see GW allowing any army core to include flying or scouting units, even the Empire hunters are in special.

    Of course, with GW sometimes doing things contrary to past experience and common sense, I might still be wrong and we might have a new high rumourmonger with sources for rules and modesl several month before a new book, but if I had to bet my live on this batch of rumours being true or false, I wouldn't choose true by default (no offense on the poster of those rumours)
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    I like to than Harry for his neverending patience and opening up a new thread. I'll sacrifice my firstbaked pie in your honor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrowell View Post
    Looks like wishlisting to me, to many informations about changes to existing units from several month ago, with rules informations, and the only new entries are usual predictions based on existing things (this time inspired from Storm of Magic entries)

    But the little thing that for me is the more telling are Shadow warrios as core : I just don's see GW allowing any army core to include flying or scouting units, even the Empire hunters are in special.

    Of course, with GW sometimes doing things contrary to past experience and common sense, I might still be wrong and we might have a new high rumourmonger with sources for rules and modesl several month before a new book, but if I had to bet my live on this batch of rumours being true or false, I wouldn't chose true by default (no offense on the poster of those rumours)
    I do not see any special advantage on HE having core SW. S3T3 AS5+, they sure would add some tactic advantages, but they are not any broken thing. We have no artillery, we have no tough troops. What the hell, we should be having any kind of advantage. Tactical or movement advantage could be a thing.

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    First of all thanks Harry for starting this.
    Secondly, all that Stromez Grom writes seem great.
    It would be great to have a good reason to add Shadow Warriors and finally Silver Helms back to core!!!
    From the sound of it..this might actually be the army it should be!
    Thanks everyone for the rumours again...
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