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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    The game started in 8mm scale?
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcherry View Post
    Why worried? It was how the game first started back in the day.
    I started in a different scale (actually very different, things varied from 1:285 to 1:350). 8mm is a third bigger than 6mm. Add in GW proportions and you have an almost 10mm game.

    The existing player base has 6mm models. What is the incentive to buy basic marines again? So you are left trying to sell people the titans which might work, but the other stuff people might not migrate from 30k enough. You also lose out on the old players for game promotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Chris View Post
    I started in a different scale (actually very different, things varied from 1:285 to 1:350). 8mm is a third bigger than 6mm. Add in GW proportions and you have an almost 10mm game.

    The existing player base has 6mm models. What is the incentive to buy basic marines again? So you are left trying to sell people the titans which might work, but the other stuff people might not migrate from 30k enough. You also lose out on the old players for game promotion.
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    This.

    GW 8mm, is probably 10mm. This is incompatible with the original 6mm models.

    Simply put this is precisely a move to "exclude" any chance of using older models.

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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    But it won't exclude it. You can still use your old armies - looking at GWs speed, it will be a while before they manage to update all the old ranges anyway.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcherry View Post
    But it won't exclude it. You can still use your old armies - looking at GWs speed, it will be a while before they manage to update all the old ranges anyway.
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    Just liked they planned to do when EA launched?

    Look at what they "do", not what they "say".

    There is no way they will ever roll out a true "epic" line. The bar to do so is way too high.

    If they couldn't do it when that bar was far, far easier (when EA launched), what makes anyone think they are capable now?

    I'd be very surprised to see anything beyond a titan only game.

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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by blackcherry View Post
    But it won't exclude it. You can still use your old armies - looking at GWs speed, it will be a while before they manage to update all the old ranges anyway.
    As others have said, the 8mm scale is totally incompatible with the previous scales used for Epic, so I cannot see integration of previous armies with new ones.

    That leaves the possibility of using old and new armies separately, but I would be very surprised if the existing Epic community will be interested in forking out for new models, especially given that GW's follow through with Epic has been poor for years now. They promised a lot with both Epic 40K and EA, and effectively left them unfinished in terms of armies and models.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Was the Original Titan Legions game the same scale as Epic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irisado View Post
    As others have said, the 8mm scale is totally incompatible with the previous scales used for Epic, so I cannot see integration of previous armies with new ones.

    That leaves the possibility of using old and new armies separately, but I would be very surprised if the existing Epic community will be interested in forking out for new models, especially given that GW's follow through with Epic has been poor for years now. They promised a lot with both Epic 40K and EA, and effectively left them unfinished in terms of armies and models.

    FW have said it will be Titans only at first, many Epic players love their Titans, especially the guys who started in the titanicus days. Seeing a Warlord for the first time in 8mm and 6" high with incredible detail will be a wallet opener for many. The terrain you can get for 10mm games has really improved thanks to drop zone commander. Seeing Warlords duke it out even on a table made from the Dropzone cardboard buildings would be a great spectacle. I think more players than you expect might come across.

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    As the game was never truly scaled, if they are just brining Titans in line with everything else (heroic 6mm could be argued to be 8mm), then fair play. Titans will be expensive, but that's tolerable.

    However, if this is a full rescaled (if they ever get to infantry at all) then... well it is dumb. Yes, people couldn't use the miniatures they already have, but this will likely put off established collectors who might have gone "finally i can get that chaos army that was never really released" and provided a player base to support it. At 30% larger there is no way miniatures will fit on the same bases, pretty much rendering them incompatible, even if you could stand one side all being ogryn sized.

    This is a shame, as of all the re-release games I was excited about it was the epic ones.

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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Shield View Post
    Was the Original Titan Legions game the same scale as Epic?
    Yes. The original Adeptus Titanicus was 6mm, the same as the Epic models which came after it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Killgore View Post
    FW have said it will be Titans only at first, many Epic players love their Titans, especially the guys who started in the titanicus days. Seeing a Warlord for the first time in 8mm and 6" high with incredible detail will be a wallet opener for many. The terrain you can get for 10mm games has really improved thanks to drop zone commander. Seeing Warlords duke it out even on a table made from the Dropzone cardboard buildings would be a great spectacle. I think more players than you expect might come across.
    The detail on the 6mm scale titans was sufficient. Changing the scale to add more detail is unnecessary in my opinion, and I very much doubt that this is why they elected to do it. The decision is far more likely to have been marketing driven.

    I think that there will be people who play it just as a titan versus titan game, thus it's going to sell to some degree. I have yet to see any significant evidence that existing Epic players are going to make a switch though.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    There is plenty of evidence, for example people rebuying whole epic armies from 'forumware' sources. Why? Because the models were better detailed and looked much nicer. They didn't have too, they could have used the same models they been using since the early 90's, but the draw of nicer models encouraged people to make the rather expensive change

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    I haven't seen much evidence of what you're referring to. The majority of players who I have interacted with and whose armies I've seen have only used alternative models if they joined the game after GW had discontinued a lot of its older models, so they couldn't get them easily. As a result, I'd require much more convincing that there has been a mass shift towards newer alternative models out of desire rather than out of necessity. As for models looking more detailed and nicer, I disagree. There's nothing out there that comes close to the second edition Epic sculpts in terms of the look.

    At any rate, I guess we'll find out soon. Either way, the new game is likely to sell to some extent, as there will be new and old gamers alike who are drawn to the titan versus titan combat scenario.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Killgore View Post
    There is plenty of evidence, for example people rebuying whole epic armies from 'forumware' sources. Why? Because the models were better detailed and looked much nicer. They didn't have too, they could have used the same models they been using since the early 90's, but the draw of nicer models encouraged people to make the rather expensive change
    Hi!

    With the sole exception of "truescale" titans, even forumware models are 6mm. Thus compatible with the older "less detailed" stuff.

    So investing in that is not the same as investing in an 8mm with is NOT compatible with either 6mm GW nor 6mm forumware.

    Another problem with all this is that GW has a tendency of "over-scaling".

    If a lot of the 6mm GW stuff was really closer to 7-8mm, then what's not to say their so called "8mm" will basically be 10mm in practice?

    That basically guarantees incompatibility even with truescale forumware titans, since this new games titan would be even bigger than those.

    Of course, to me this is no surprise. I have been saying literally for years that this would come to pass if GW ever took another "bite" into epic.

    IMO there was never a chance that epic (or anything like it) would ever be 6mm.

    GW does not like competition and where it can't compete it creates a niche even where none existed.

    Welcome to "heroic 8mm" gaming.

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    It's unfortunate that they're doing this in 8mm. Even all of the buildings will be out of scale. Though only good thing to come of this is that as the models will be in resin they will be less likely to break as easily in 8mm than in 6mm. Anyone who has bought Epic from Forge World is aware of how delicate the miniatures are, and how prone to miscasts they were.

    I think I will take a pass...can't believe I'm saying this about a new Epic game. They should have released a core box game in plastic.
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    Guys, you're talking about an unsupported for ten years game. GW isn't trying to get you to add to your existing force, its a reboot. They expect you to buy fresh.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    So what kind of sourcebook do you believe FW will put out for AT? Will it be different as this is one of the first in the specialist range or will it be the same high quality of a mixture of rules and technical datasheets for the titans? And then Of course, hopefully the other warmachines, superheavies, planes, soldiers, and the like?
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malakai View Post
    So what kind of sourcebook do you believe FW will put out for AT? Will it be different as this is one of the first in the specialist range or will it be the same high quality of a mixture of rules and technical datasheets for the titans? And then Of course, hopefully the other warmachines, superheavies, planes, soldiers, and the like?
    I'll try and have a chat with the FW guys at the FW open day on Sunday. Hopefully they'll have that scaled down Warlord out on display, would be nice to have another look at it.

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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Killgore View Post
    I'll try and have a chat with the FW guys at the FW open day on Sunday. Hopefully they'll have that scaled down Warlord out on display, would be nice to have another look at it.
    That would be really cool. Try and keep it in mind when looking at all the new shinies. And do have a good time.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

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    There is no great desire to redo Epic. While we may get more games at the same scale – such as a massed tank version there is no desire to see a combined titan/tank/infantry battle. Basically they don’t just want 40k at a smaller scale.
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    Re: Return of Adeptus Titanicus?

    Well... that's a pile of poo then. Ok, guess as long as the titans are "true" 8mm, rather than "heroic" 8mm they may be a viable addition to existing collections, but no return of Epic is just a shame.

    Guess they are trying to say "If you want to play big 40k Battles, play Apocalypse." Unfortunately the likely result for them will instead be "Well, I'll just play epic with my old models then, or try some of the other small scale sci-fi miniature ranges."

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