Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

[Prokrustes]

I have just read up again on the fluff of Constant Drachenfels due to the new DLC for Vermintide (Castle Drachenfels).
Now, I must say Drachenfels is an amazing and totally awesome villain. Poison Feast... how much more evil can you get?
Given that he is the oldest being in all of the old world (living before the arrival of the slann) he must have accumulated vast knowledge of pretty much everything.
However, he doesnt seem to try to ascend to godhood or feel like eradicating all living beings like Nagash.
Is it actually ever explained how he got his powers in the first place?

After reading about the whole "the Nameless" stuff in the end times I was wondering how he compares to Nagash in power levels? (well, at the height of his power with memories...)

[blackcherry]

Drachenfels was one of those characters from the early days of Warhammer Fantasy that has disappeared in time and sort of been quietly forgotten about. I prefer to think of him as one of the worlds powers that affects the world but isn't really known about (like Ungoliant in the LotR verse).

[Arnizipal]

Drachenfels suffers from the fact that he's pretty much one giant evil mage cliché.
He doesn't have any long term plans or purpose, he just does evil for the lolz.
I guess that's the reason he was mostly forgotten about.

In terms of power I think he rivals Nagash, though maybe not Nagash at the peak of his abilities.

[dirach.]

In the end times books there is this "namless" character or something like that. I think he was thought of as Drachenfels even if he wasn´t called by that name.

[Dreadaxe]

In the end times books there is this "namless" character or something like that. I think he was thought of as Drachenfels even if he wasn´t called by that name.

http://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds/answers/121775578335

Q: Can you confirm the Nameless is 100% Drachenfels?
Josh Reynold: Sure.

[Urgat]

http://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds/answers/121775578335

Where can I see all the questions?

[Griefbringer]

Back in the day, White Dwarf had an article which featured WFRP (1st edition) stats for some of the main characters from the Drachenfels novel - including mister Drachenfels himself. I have that copy somewhere in my collection.

[Arnizipal]

He also has stats in the Castle Drachenfells adventure for WFRPv1, but those don't really translate well to WFB...

[Dreadaxe]

Where can I see all the questions?

http://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index...owtopic=238545

[Urgat]

Thank you

[Prokrustes]

Drachenfels suffers from the fact that he's pretty much one giant evil mage cliché.
He doesn't have any long term plans or purpose, he just does evil for the lolz.
I guess that's the reason he was mostly forgotten about.

In terms of power I think he rivals Nagash, though maybe not Nagash at the peak of his abilities.

Well fluffwise he seems to be the more awesome version of Vandal Savage from DC. Having existed for so long and already being tremendously powerful, I am not quiet sure what goal he can have except for entertainment. Ruling an empire, being worshipped, etc. probably a case of been there, done that... So I dont find him that cliché like. However, in a setting like Warhammer I guess you are right, he would need some overarching goal...like Nagash's desire for godhood.

Back in the day, White Dwarf had an article which featured WFRP (1st edition) stats for some of the main characters from the Drachenfels novel - including mister Drachenfels himself. I have that copy somewhere in my collection.

A scan or a link to that would go a long way and be very much appreciated ;-)

[Urgat]

http://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index...owtopic=238545

Nice to have a final fate for Amon Shakai, even if it's non-official. It somewhat justifies how he got replaced by Kairos despite him being more powerful.
I raised an eyebrow at the mention of Malal, but heh

[Lord Malorne]

http://ask.fm/JoshMReynolds
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index...owtopic=238545

Erg reading that thread is kind of sad, I always hated skaven as an army and a concept.

[Arnizipal]

A scan or a link to that would go a long way and be very much appreciated ;-)

I can get you the statline from the WFRPv1 adventure, but like I said, it's a bit abstract when compared to the statline of WFB.

[Griefbringer]

As for that old WD article, I have not yet managed to dig enough to my collection to find the particular issue - but it is somewhere around 120.

[Griefbringer]

After some digging, I found the WD in question - it is issue 117, with stats for Drachenfels (as he was in 2480 IC) himself on page 31. Looks like he could quite easily wipe the floor with any bunch of adventurers going after him. The same article also features WFRP stats for several of the other important characters from the same book.

[Urgat]

Btw, on topic: Nameless -> pawn, and Nagash -> boss in ET, so I guess it should be self explanatory. If Drachenfells was anywhere near Nagash's power, he wouldn't let himself be ordered around, I suppose?

[Prokrustes]

Btw, on topic: Nameless -> pawn, and Nagash -> boss in ET, so I guess it should be self explanatory. If Drachenfells was anywhere near Nagash's power, he wouldn't let himself be ordered around, I suppose?

He can remember squat about who he is and what he can do and blah. So I guess it isnt that easy... And if Nagash could simply dominate him like he did with his other Mortarchs, what would be the point of not telling him who he is? Even Vlad doesnt want to tell him... Looking at it from this angle, maybe they are scared of what he could do if he would be aware of his full power? Like the shy massive guy in school. If he realized that he is bigger and stronger than the bullies he could swat them..
However, if I remember correctly, Nagash binds the wind of death into himself at some point and thats where things get awry... Then again, Drachenfels won a staring competition against the chaos gods...

[Captain Marius]

Didnt the Nameless get defeated by the willpower of Luther Huss in the end... Just sayin!

[Athelassan]

I have just read up again on the fluff of Constant Drachenfels due to the new DLC for Vermintide (Castle Drachenfels).
Now, I must say Drachenfels is an amazing and totally awesome villain. Poison Feast... how much more evil can you get?
Given that he is the oldest being in all of the old world (living before the arrival of the slann) he must have accumulated vast knowledge of pretty much everything.
However, he doesnt seem to try to ascend to godhood or feel like eradicating all living beings like Nagash.
Is it actually ever explained how he got his powers in the first place?

After reading about the whole "the Nameless" stuff in the end times I was wondering how he compares to Nagash in power levels? (well, at the height of his power with memories...)

I think he's having too much fun in the mortal realm to bother with any of that "ascension" or "conquer the world" malarkey. In his eponymous novel it's suggested that he kind of looks down on the Chaos gods as amateurs.

He got his powers initially through "human" sacrifice; he started out extending his lifespan by killing one of his fellows and eating his eyes and worked upwards from there. (Since this was before the Slann, of course, the people in question weren't strictly speaking human). As to how he compares to Nagash, it's debatable. Both characters are pretty similar in broad strokes (ancient sorcerers who invented their discipline, almost impossible to kill permanently, spend most of their time brooding in their castles, operating through agents, etc.) to the extent that I think Nagash was an attempt to update the concept once the world became a bit better defined and "factionalised" in 4th edition and later. I'd say they're probably comparable in power level.