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    Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    I have just read up again on the fluff of Constant Drachenfels due to the new DLC for Vermintide (Castle Drachenfels).
    Now, I must say Drachenfels is an amazing and totally awesome villain. Poison Feast... how much more evil can you get?
    Given that he is the oldest being in all of the old world (living before the arrival of the slann) he must have accumulated vast knowledge of pretty much everything.
    However, he doesnt seem to try to ascend to godhood or feel like eradicating all living beings like Nagash.
    Is it actually ever explained how he got his powers in the first place?

    After reading about the whole "the Nameless" stuff in the end times I was wondering how he compares to Nagash in power levels? (well, at the height of his power with memories...)
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Drachenfels was one of those characters from the early days of Warhammer Fantasy that has disappeared in time and sort of been quietly forgotten about. I prefer to think of him as one of the worlds powers that affects the world but isn't really known about (like Ungoliant in the LotR verse).
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Drachenfels suffers from the fact that he's pretty much one giant evil mage cliché.
    He doesn't have any long term plans or purpose, he just does evil for the lolz.
    I guess that's the reason he was mostly forgotten about.

    In terms of power I think he rivals Nagash, though maybe not Nagash at the peak of his abilities.
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    In the end times books there is this "namless" character or something like that. I think he was thought of as Drachenfels even if he wasn´t called by that name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirach. View Post
    In the end times books there is this "namless" character or something like that. I think he was thought of as Drachenfels even if he wasn´t called by that name.

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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Where can I see all the questions?

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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

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    Where can I see all the questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnizipal View Post
    Drachenfels suffers from the fact that he's pretty much one giant evil mage cliché.
    He doesn't have any long term plans or purpose, he just does evil for the lolz.
    I guess that's the reason he was mostly forgotten about.

    In terms of power I think he rivals Nagash, though maybe not Nagash at the peak of his abilities.
    Well fluffwise he seems to be the more awesome version of Vandal Savage from DC. Having existed for so long and already being tremendously powerful, I am not quiet sure what goal he can have except for entertainment. Ruling an empire, being worshipped, etc. probably a case of been there, done that... So I dont find him that cliché like. However, in a setting like Warhammer I guess you are right, he would need some overarching goal...like Nagash's desire for godhood.

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    Back in the day, White Dwarf had an article which featured WFRP (1st edition) stats for some of the main characters from the Drachenfels novel - including mister Drachenfels himself. I have that copy somewhere in my collection.
    A scan or a link to that would go a long way and be very much appreciated ;-)
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    Although I do occasionally get very weird twinges towards the Adeptus Astartes but I slap myself in the face with my Necron codex until the sensation stops.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prokrustes View Post
    A scan or a link to that would go a long way and be very much appreciated ;-)
    I can get you the statline from the WFRPv1 adventure, but like I said, it's a bit abstract when compared to the statline of WFB.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Back in the day, White Dwarf had an article which featured WFRP (1st edition) stats for some of the main characters from the Drachenfels novel - including mister Drachenfels himself. I have that copy somewhere in my collection.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    He also has stats in the Castle Drachenfells adventure for WFRPv1, but those don't really translate well to WFB...
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Thank you

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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    As for that old WD article, I have not yet managed to dig enough to my collection to find the particular issue - but it is somewhere around 120.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    After some digging, I found the WD in question - it is issue 117, with stats for Drachenfels (as he was in 2480 IC) himself on page 31. Looks like he could quite easily wipe the floor with any bunch of adventurers going after him. The same article also features WFRP stats for several of the other important characters from the same book.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Griefbringer View Post
    After some digging, I found the WD in question - it is issue 117, with stats for Drachenfels (as he was in 2480 IC) himself on page 31. Looks like he could quite easily wipe the floor with any bunch of adventurers going after him. The same article also features WFRP stats for several of the other important characters from the same book.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Btw, on topic: Nameless -> pawn, and Nagash -> boss in ET, so I guess it should be self explanatory. If Drachenfells was anywhere near Nagash's power, he wouldn't let himself be ordered around, I suppose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urgat View Post
    Btw, on topic: Nameless -> pawn, and Nagash -> boss in ET, so I guess it should be self explanatory. If Drachenfells was anywhere near Nagash's power, he wouldn't let himself be ordered around, I suppose?
    He can remember squat about who he is and what he can do and blah. So I guess it isnt that easy... And if Nagash could simply dominate him like he did with his other Mortarchs, what would be the point of not telling him who he is? Even Vlad doesnt want to tell him... Looking at it from this angle, maybe they are scared of what he could do if he would be aware of his full power? Like the shy massive guy in school. If he realized that he is bigger and stronger than the bullies he could swat them..
    However, if I remember correctly, Nagash binds the wind of death into himself at some point and thats where things get awry... Then again, Drachenfels won a staring competition against the chaos gods...
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    Although I do occasionally get very weird twinges towards the Adeptus Astartes but I slap myself in the face with my Necron codex until the sensation stops.
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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prokrustes View Post
    He can remember squat about who he is and what he can do and blah. So I guess it isnt that easy... And if Nagash could simply dominate him like he did with his other Mortarchs, what would be the point of not telling him who he is? Even Vlad doesnt want to tell him... Looking at it from this angle, maybe they are scared of what he could do if he would be aware of his full power? Like the shy massive guy in school. If he realized that he is bigger and stronger than the bullies he could swat them.
    This sounds very much like the Monster in the Darkness from OOTS.

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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prokrustes View Post
    He can remember squat about who he is and what he can do and blah. So I guess it isnt that easy... And if Nagash could simply dominate him like he did with his other Mortarchs, what would be the point of not telling him who he is?
    If he has a chance of even proving to be a slight bother, why bother telling him his name at all? You're not going to let a raging mouse go wild in your house just because you can stomp it. It's going to be a nuisance and you want no nuisance, no matter how small. Nagash already has enough problems dealing with Mannfred and friends w/o adding yet another burdden to the list.
    Now he's no mouse, he's a mortarch, Nagash didn't pick him for no reason. No doubt he is horribly powerful, and no doubt they all prefer him under control.

    Even Vlad doesnt want to tell him... Looking at it from this angle, maybe they are scared of what he could do if he would be aware of his full power? Like the shy massive guy in school. If he realized that he is bigger and stronger than the bullies he could swat them..
    See above.

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    Re: Constant Drachenfels vs Nagash (Old World)

    Didnt the Nameless get defeated by the willpower of Luther Huss in the end... Just sayin!
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