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    AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Evening all,

    I was searching the GW site the other day and noticed that the AoS factions have been overhauled again on the site under each alliance. They now break down into...

    Order
    • Aelves
    • Daughters of Khaine
    • Dispossessed
    • Free Peoples
    • Fyreslayers
    • Idoneth Deepkin
    • Kharadron Overlords
    • Seraphon
    • Stormcast Eternals
    • Sylvaneth


    Chaos
    • Beasts of Chaos
    • Blades of Khorne

    • Creatures of Chaos
    • Disciples of Tzeentch
    • Everchosen
    & Slaves to Darkness
    • Hosts of Slaanesh
    • Maggotkin of Nurgle
    • Skaven


    Death
    • Flesh-Eater Courts
    • Legions of Nagash
    • Nighthaunt


    Destruction
    • Beastclaw Raiders
    • Bonesplitterz
    • Gloomspite Gitz

    • Greenskinz - These have now gone from the GW site
    • Gutbusters
    • Ironjawz

    Most of these have Battletomes (in blue).

    We know that Slaanesh will be getting their BT this year. For the rest I imagine we will see the new High Elves this year too as once Slaanesh breaks free they will have lots of time on their hands.

    I'm not sure what the future of the Greenskinz and Gutbusters is...though the Greenskinz Start Collecting box isn't on the UK site anymore.

    Not sure how much of the Slaves to Darkness range is in the Everchosen book but I assume we will see this settle when the Darkoath are released. Creatures of Chaos could easily stay as a range of random Chaos beasts unallied to any particular Battle Tome.

    That then just leaves the remaining Dispossessed Dwarfs, the Free Peoples and the survivors of the Dark & Wood Elf ranges. With the Wood & Dark Elves the plastic kits are mostly the new-style dual kits so I kinda assume they are staying as are some of the Dwarfs...maybe all of these will be rolled into one tome.

    What do you think?

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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    What do I think? Well I had about the same thoughts. But then I realized GW are far too unpredictable to predict anything. For example:

    1. We've been waiting for them to do anything with Elves for four years now. I was sure that they'd get an update fast-like but apart from Sylvaneth, which basically meant the removal of anything Elf, and Daughters of Khaine, who are a very, very small splinter faction, nothing has happened yet.

    2. Only 2-3 Battletomes to go so they should be finished this year right? WRONG! Istead of consolidating the old factions GW have mostly been busy inflating them ever more. A dozen of different Stormcasts, Space Dwarves, Fish Elves, you name them. Apparently GW thought the world was in dire need of these abominations. What other atrocities do they have in store for us? I have no idea but it could forestall the becoming of AoS for another few years.


    Given the tone off this comment it is probably no surprise but I'm positively shocked how this entire affair has been and is being handled by GW. Describing it as amateurish is being kind. It is apparent they had no plan whatsoever and are now struggling to glue together the shattered pieces of the valuable antique vase they wantonly shattered, with grotesque results.


    P.S.
    Free Peoples are doomed. They're far too normal/vanilla for this madhouse. Plus their historical style really doesn't fit the setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    1. We've been waiting for them to do anything with Elves for four years now. I was sure that they'd get an update fast-like but apart from Sylvaneth, which basically meant the removal of anything Elf, and Daughters of Khaine, who are a very, very small splinter faction, nothing has happened yet.
    Yeah, I was surprised that they waited so long...perhaps they weren't quite sure what to do with them and so left them on the back burner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    2. Only 2-3 Battletomes to go so they should be finished this year right? WRONG! Istead of consolidating the old factions GW have mostly been busy inflating them ever more. A dozen of different Stormcasts, Space Dwarves, Fish Elves, you name them. Apparently GW thought the world was in dire need of these abominations. What other atrocities do they have in store for us? I have no idea but it could forestall the becoming of AoS for another few years.
    While they have introduced new factions they have also dropped some of the older ones or they've mutated into 'new' ones. I am sure there is endless scope for new factions if they want to further expand. But, all of the new factions are really just re working the old ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    Given the tone off this comment it is probably no surprise but I'm positively shocked how this entire affair has been and is being handled by GW. Describing it as amateurish is being kind. It is apparent they had no plan whatsoever and are now struggling to glue together the shattered pieces of the valuable antique vase they wantonly shattered, with grotesque results.
    While I do not feel your degree of anger over the changes they have made I am still perplexed as to their exact motivations. It seems that the creation of AoS was about a stylistic change moving away from a more grounded fantasy to something more sensationaly-mythic and in many ways it is a betrayal to existing customers. GW built WHF on the loyalty of gamers who bought into a particular game, they then bloated it to excess until it burst and something entirely new arose. It's like buying mars bars for years and then one day they drop them to sell you mars flavoured burgers...its still mars(ish) and still food but while some may like them a lot of the people who made you in the first time are still gunna be pissed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    P.S.
    Free Peoples are doomed. They're far too normal/vanilla for this madhouse. Plus their historical style really doesn't fit the setting.
    I dunno...I wonder if they will keep them in some form almost as an AoS Imperial Guard. I think Chris Peach does some lovely Free Peoples conversions so they can definitely work.

    Looking back at the list I think we will see...

    • Hosts of Slaanesh
    • Slaves to Darkness (new-style marauders)
    • New High Elves (possibly with a touch of Dark & Wood Elf added)
    • Free Peoples (this is the one I have the most doubt on)

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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    1. We've been waiting for them to do anything with Elves for four years now. I was sure that they'd get an update fast-like but apart from Sylvaneth, which basically meant the removal of anything Elf, and Daughters of Khaine, who are a very, very small splinter faction, nothing has happened yet.
    You forgot the sea elves.

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    I'd say it's a safe bet that the Darkoath Barbarians and Slaanesh followers will be turning up, presumably with the Hysh Aelves... although I'd be surprised if they look anymore 'normal' than say, Tree-Revenants or Idondeth Deepkin... Hysh was ground zero when Chaos invaded the mortal realms.
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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Thats true. Plus don't the light and shadow realms orbit each other or something...so maybe the elves will be High & Dark combo leaving the Wandering Wood Elves to possibly die out or join with the free peoples and dispossessed.

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    I miss the times when rumormongers would grace us with their presence and help solidify or debunk speculation like this. Those were the days.

    Not only was it incredibly fun playing their guessing games, it also tremendously helped planning purchases a year in advance.

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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    But then looking at some of the AoS releases, if you had been told of them in advance, you could easily have thought it was crazy made up stories.

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    For Elves (without the A) I expect the Malekith/Tyrion elves and the Teclis 2.0 experiment to completely remove any old kit not used in another battletome.

    Free people and dispossessed would have happened, not going to happen now. All new factions come with a named character and some weird blurb. Sigmar's faction are the golden boys, anything old and traditional wil go.

    Bretonnia will get a Death army that fights in the realm of chaos itself if you ask me.

    I had totally forgotten about the Scuttlings (on purpose). To me them going all classic but with a tiny addition is just another turn in them trying to find what AoS is supposed to be. It will be interesting to see where Skaven go. This whole project just looks like a gigantic mess. Half the time GW is single release or very minimally updated board games now. That is not what specialist games used to be. Forge world is also not the right subsection to work on that either, they should have stayed with space marine bits and bobs.
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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Joe View Post
    For Elves (without the A) I expect the Malekith/Tyrion elves and the Teclis 2.0 experiment to completely remove any old kit not used in another battletome.
    But what about the old Wood Elves, they have a few of the new style dual kits...that's an interesting point, have any of the dual kits been dropped?

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Joe View Post
    Free people and dispossessed would have happened, not going to happen now..
    Why do you say that? The Night Goblins have just had their book so there is still time... Plus, if they aren't going to do the Dispossessed in some form why are they still stocking them now that we have had Fyreslayers & Overlords out for some time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Joe View Post
    Sigmar's faction are the golden boys, anything old and traditional wil go.
    What about Night Goblins, Skaven & Lizardmen? They are old but have been moved across.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Joe View Post
    I had totally forgotten about the Scuttlings (on purpose). To me them going all classic but with a tiny addition is just another turn in them trying to find what AoS is supposed to be. It will be interesting to see where Skaven go. This whole project just looks like a gigantic mess. Half the time GW is single release or very minimally updated board games now. That is not what specialist games used to be. Forge world is also not the right subsection to work on that either, they should have stayed with space marine bits and bobs.
    I'm surprised that GW have taken so long to sort the factions out. There is definitely seems to be two tiers of factions, those who feel fully AoS and those who were just kinda ported across. If the factions are settling down then I assume we should see the survivors refined and expanded to fit in with their vision of AoS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Egg View Post
    I'm surprised that GW have taken so long to sort the factions out. There is definitely seems to be two tiers of factions, those who feel fully AoS and those who were just kinda ported across. If the factions are settling down then I assume we should see the survivors refined and expanded to fit in with their vision of AoS.
    Actually that just reminded me of the upcoming Carrion Empires, which has a new character model for the Flesh-eater Courts (alongside Skaven). I think that would coincide with Battletomes at least for them both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Egg View Post
    But what about the old Wood Elves, they have a few of the new style dual kits...that's an interesting point, have any of the dual kits been dropped?

    Why do you say that? The Night Goblins have just had their book so there is still time... Plus, if they aren't going to do the Dispossessed in some form why are they still stocking them now that we have had Fyreslayers & Overlords out for some time?

    What about Night Goblins, Skaven & Lizardmen? They are old but have been moved across.

    I'm surprised that GW have taken so long to sort the factions out. There is definitely seems to be two tiers of factions, those who feel fully AoS and those who were just kinda ported across. If the factions are settling down then I assume we should see the survivors refined and expanded to fit in with their vision of AoS.
    They have a unified vision?

    Don't get me wrong, I am happy for every plastic kit that survives another year. But products are going out of production left and right with no notification whatsoever so nobody notices it. Sure it is mostly characters (a lot of "sold out online/no longer available", many old kits move into "temporarely unavailable" and some were just removed). While they have not removed any dual kits besides Tomb Kings, they also have not updated a huge part of their range to round bases (including on product images). This clearly suggests that there is no vision, they are just maintaining options.

    What would happen if all the non full AoS and derelict factions were dropped tomorrow? That is the only reason they are there. They just need a zero sum return and all is fine. All of them will be phased out slowly, I expect the same fate for the AoS armies in time except Chaos, Stormcasts and Death.

    In my opinion and that is completely speculation, updating night goblins is a safe bet. The 7th edition starter ensures that many players out there are invested and it has been long enough to dampen the effects of the launch of AoS. It is an attempt to rekindle the flame with old players and it will work as usual. Nothing bad about it, I just find it weird that so many people kiss GW's "behind" in gratitude for silly hidden price raises (NG from €25 to €31 for a core unit, temporarily unavailable and a markup on UK prices by the way, €8 overcharged or a 34% bonus for the EU to pay), insane prices on some kits and destruction of other parts of the greenskins.

    They should sack the idiot raising prices on start collecting boxes.
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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Possibly, though the FE Courts don't currently have a mini for that character option so maybe it's more a case of filling in gaps in the ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Egg View Post
    Possibly, though the FE Courts don't currently have a mini for that character option so maybe it's more a case of filling in gaps in the ranges.
    I believe it's a new option? The "Abhorrant Archregent" is a mighty mordant emperor, even more vicious – and regal – than the Abhorrant Ghoul King.

    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB...penDay05012019

    Admittedly, you need to buy the Terrorgheist/Undead Dragon to model him on it or on foot, but it's definitely a new option, along with the "Warlock Bombardier".
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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Ahh, my bad

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    Well they have some kinda vision but I think its very sketchy...very, very sketchy

    They could definitely have handled how they retire kits better. Clearly there is interest in older kits as they do Made to Order (or whatever its called) so its surprising they don't give some warning. I can only assume they want to do it on the QT to try and not remind everyone they burnt it all to hell.

    With regard to changing bases they would effectively require relaunching the kit with new boxes so they are unlikely to do this untill the kit gets folded into a new faction so it all ties in together. Printing boxes is more expensive than printing sprues for older kits where the mold has already paid for itself.

    I can not see them dropping all AoS faction apart from Chaos, Stormcasts & Death...apart from anything that drops one alliance and I imagine Orcs (or whatever) will always do well.

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    Re: AoS Factions are finally settling down

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Egg View Post
    Well they have some kinda vision but I think its very sketchy...very, very sketchy
    I think sometimes they balk at moving away from what was established in WHFB. The Gloomspite Gitz are a good example of this. John Blanche's concept art had a lot more wild stuff, like the scuttlings, night-goblins on spiders and less squig-driven, more mutated goblins, but they reigned back on that and settled for very traditional looking Night Goblins, with varieties of cave-squig instead of mutants...

    When you think about it, while the mindset behind the races is very different (Kharadron Overlords and Orruk Ironjaws are more like 40K's Squats and Orks than their traditional fantasy counterparts) GW haven't made a really daring, big change beyond the Kharadron Overlords... it's still Orcs in iron armor, armies of Dryads, pale-bodied vampire beasts, etc. The only other major departure was the Stormcast Eternals, and they were a pretty safe bet as they're based on the very successful Space Marine Archetype.
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    The point of destroying WHFB was to destroy WHFB, because it didn't make enough money for the suits. Now if you build up the exact same thing in space then it doesn't make a lot of sense.

    They would have needed to fire the entire creative department, because they simply continue doing what they have done for 30 years. They lack the courage to break away from entrenched habits. It's an unfortunate truth.

    The death of WHFB was very painful but it is almost as painful to see it replaced with what basically amounts to a parody of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Star View Post
    When you think about it, while the mindset behind the races is very different (Kharadron Overlords and Orruk Ironjaws are more like 40K's Squats and Orks than their traditional fantasy counterparts) GW haven't made a really daring, big change beyond the Kharadron Overlords... it's still Orcs in iron armor, armies of Dryads, pale-bodied vampire beasts, etc. The only other major departure was the Stormcast Eternals, and they were a pretty safe bet as they're based on the very successful Space Marine Archetype.
    I'd have liked to see them do something with the Fimir in AoS, though I know they are still hanging around I think they could have done more.

    The Deepkin are just fishy Dark Eldar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    The death of WHFB was very painful but it is almost as painful to see it replaced with what basically amounts to a parody of it.
    Unfortunately this is the failing with a lot of GW stuff over the years...they went from characterful to caricature.

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    More like willfully ignored.

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