Well I read many stories so far.I heard Hashut was a former greater deamon who got his ass kicked by Khorne and got threwn into a vault where eventually some dwarfs dig him out and thought "Hey you're cool lets worship you"(if this is true why did him and Khorne fought?), and I also heard he was not a real God but just some kind of Chaos Dwarf Idol.I'd like to hear your opinions.Cheers in advance!
I'm guessing he's a Lesser Chaos God along the lines of the Horned Rat - a "mix" of the Big Four, if you will. In his case, probably Khorne (Dwarfified into the rock-hard disciplined butcher thing they got going on), Tzeentch (magic) and just a drop of Slaanesh (with the whole sadistic slaver thing going on). The only Nurgleite thing I can see is the Curse of Stone.
I am aware of the former greater daemon thing, but I was under the impression it had been left behind by the roadside, along with the Zoats and Fimir and Orc females.
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5th Edition made him into a minor Chaos God worshipped by the Chaos Dwarfs. The current facts on him are he's called the Father of Darkness, the only diety that the Chaos Dwarfs worship, and bulls are his signature animal.
I don't know much about him pre-5th.
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He’s the god of Dark Industry; progress gone mad.
One of the things you must remember about Chaos is that it essentially mirrors humanity (and indeed the other sentient races), but the mirror caricatures, exaggerates and distorts everything. With the four major Chaotic powers this is fairly obvious, as they encompass spheres of emotion. To my mind there’s a ‘lesser tier’ of Chaos gods which are arguably more sophisticated: The Horned Rat and Hashut, there gods of sociological phenomenon and concepts civilisation has constructed. Now, I’m not suggesting that these factors don’t fall under the sway of the four, clearly they do but our demonic quartet are very much dominated by the core emotions that make up their beings.
But the Horned Rat and Hashut are gods of specific races you say? Not so. They are chaos gods, theireinfluence is much less specific than that of say Esmeralda. The Horned Rat is the god of politicking, lies, power and selfishness. These traits are universal, and so all races feed him in some way. The Skaven are arguably the spawn of proto-Horned Rat and thusly typify all these things.
Races that Chaos has shaped are a critique on certain aspects of humanity.
Hashut is slightly more tricky. He must have existed in some form before the fall of a certain group of dwarfs. I think that proto-Hashut would have been an amalgamation of firstly logic’s uncaring a sinister edge, secondly the will to subjugate nature and further more to oppose one's will over other things. I mean that in the broadest sense possible, its easy to see it when its manifest as the enslavement and subjugation of sentient creatures, but also such benign enterprises as agriculture; livestock were once wild beast that have been dominated and moulded by human will, so that they’re nothing more than tools and resources. Carving a sculpture: you’re destroying say a piece of marble, and imposing your own image of what it should look like.
Now, these concepts in themselves are probably not enough to attain true godhood, hence I termed this being proto-Hashut. The Chaos Dwarves acted as a catalyst. Dwarf personality has a great exaggeration of the traits I described in the above paragraph, Proto-Hashut had a natural affinity for them. Thus; their despair, sorrow and hope provided the spark of his ascension.
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I can see your point,thanks for your wise words. There are many lesser Gods then? And is it true or not Hashut had that episode with Khorne? Anyone has any info on that?
On a tangent, how do people pronounce Hashut? Hah-Shut, or Hah-Shoot?
I'm just surprised i remembered my old log in details.
I always have heard/said Ha-Shoot!
Hah-shoot for me as well.
Also, I'd have to say that Hashut is probably as much a Chaos God as the Horned Rat, and therefore Chaos Dwarfs probably shouldn't be considered Chaos Worshippers in the true sense of the word.
And I agree with everything Rathgar has said, you eloquent lump of blue putty, you.
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Am I alone in making the final vowel a 'mumble vowel' or neutral vowel sound (one that doesn't really get said distinctly at all) then?
Great description by Rathgar, I wholeheartedly concur.
As for pronunciation, I'm leaning towards Hash-shut myself...
Hahsh'uht
(Haa)(Sh)(uht)
It's a piece of fan-fic.
No official mention was ever made of Hashut offending Khorne, let alone being a former servant of him.
i was under the impression that hashut was one of the dwarf gods. when a clan was exploring and fighting their way through the goblin mines of the dark lands - trying to procure new land me thinks - something went arry, they were trapped and when their prayers went unanswered they began praying to hashut...
dont quote me on this as i can only remember this from far away and long ago, but ask eldicar as he seems to know everything about the fluff
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I've always followed an idea similar to Rathgar's: Hashut is a Chaotic manifestation of industry and uncaring technological advancement, "fuelled" as it were by the four base Chaotic entities. A sort focused expression of the great gods through the lens of industry.
Similarly, I'd say the Horned Rat is the same, but focused through the lens of urban sprawl/growth/decay. The Rat Race personified.
Hashut.
(Has)(hut)
Has-hut.
Everyone should have a hut
Disclaimer: The above may well be completely and utterly incorrect. If so, my bad and I apologise for the inconvinience.
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You've made me think of a tangent, but I’ll head down it anyway; The existence of these two ‘sociological’ Chaos gods leads me to question if there are more. Off the top of my head I can’t really think of any aspects of civilization that can be represented so powerfully, but I’m sure a wiser man than I could come up with some good stuff.
Even more obscurely; it could potentially act as a mechanism to resurrect the Fimir. They’re a race shaped by Chaos just as much as the Rat Men or the Fire Dwarfs. Adapt one of their gods to fill a niche similar to Hashut and Horned Rat and not only have you reinvigorated the concept of the mist daemons, you’ve intelligently integrated them into the background.
“Who knows what horrors lurk beneath the Trapdoor?”
Chaos DwarfsHashut.
(Has)(hut)
Has-hut.
Everyone should have a hut
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There's never been an offical background story on Hashut though there is a possibilty of tht being changed in the future
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I think he is a mix of Khorne and Tzeentch
There are numerous Chaos daemons and entities eveything does not boil down to being '2/3 Khorne 1/3 Slaanesh' ect. The major four are simply that, the four MAJOR gods, not the sole gods.
So Gork and Mork are chaos gods too?
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