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    Re-learning the hobby through Nipponese

    I create this log for several reasons: to motivate me through the ardous task of painting a horde, to get feedback and tips if someone reads it, and to be able to track my own progress. I played a ton of GW games as a teenager, but that is mostly about ten years ago. Recently a friend from those days talked me into sharing a Battle for Skulls Pass box, and here I am, ready to try to get back into the hobby. Alas, my painting skills have deteriorated and grown feeble, my old miniatures are damaged and none of the armies really attracts me enough to carry me through painting an entire army. Though I'm fully planning to get my O&G sorted out (with BfSP, it's at least 1500 pts), It's not enough.

    I'm going Nippon on yo ass. With 80% of my old painted miniatures being greenskins, painting humies is a great challenge. With some previous stays in Japan and various japanology studies (anthropology and history), I'm ready to tackle them. My supplier of choice will be Perry Miniatures. Their sculpts are the most detailed, their range is the biggest and they look better next to GW products since the twins themselves made some of GWs best sculpts, especially for Empire. They are also priced within my budget. While I do love my cute Dixon samurai, they are much smaller (25mm) and a friend was sort of accurate when he labelled them "ewok samurai", so that's a no-no. But they are still cute and far easier to paint than Perries, so I might take a few pictures of those too and paint them for the sheer pleasure. And I'm not going to convert an entire army from GW products. Come on! I've sort of forgot how to paint, so I ain't going to go into the deep end of the pool at once. I might make som nipponese terrain later, to fulfill my fancy to building stuff and inventing. A castle would be the perfect way to crown the achievement once done, but that is far into the future.

    Painting, colour schemes and army builds are influenced by several books, mostly all those lovely Osprey books, but also some books I picked up in Japan, mostly catalogs from museums and history books. My choise of army to portrait pretty much stems from living in the birth town of Tokugawa Ieyasu, Okazaki. That's why the army will focus on the eastern army at Sekigahara, but I might add turncoat clans (likely) and perhaps some western forces if the army grows too big and my guys need someone to stare at on the shelves. The rules are Empire, with DoW units. A late samurai army is all about spearmen, pikemen, handgunners and some shock cavalry. That's Empire in a nutshell. Hordish Empire with almost no artillery, so it will hopefully be entertaining to play against. Large units of spearmen and a thousand banners. I hope it will look nice when finished.


    My oh my, that's a lot of pikes! 80, to be exact. The miniatures arrive in cardboard boxes, not blisters.

    My immediate goals: paint two units to get used to painting and figure out what colours works. Try out home-made transfers. Yes, I'm going to try to make transfers for the heraldry (mon). My freehand painting sucks, I tried to make squares on the first ones...



    ...and I sighed. I tried to make some weird version with paper...



    ...and it's very obvious up close. I just received some inkjet waterslide transfers and transfer solution, so I'm anxious to see how that turns out. Could be neat, and I'd like to share that learning experience too if someone gets tempted to give it a shot. Stay tuned.


    Spears vs. pikes. The leftover spears will be useful for scenery or whatever. While the pikes lack detail, they seems to be extremely sturdy and also about the right lenght (4.8 m)

    I can't prime my newly arrived pikemen today since Sweden is a cold raining hellhole of slush and I can only spray outside. I blame the crappy lighting on all my photos on the fact that "natural light" as a phenomenon doesn't exist here during winter. The sunrays are too afraid of the cold weather and the rain. Hopefully I'll be able to prime tomorrow. Next step will be to get all my current nipponese painted, and that's

    18 swordsmen samurai (hello greatswords!), 12 are painted
    18 pikemen ashigaru (hello DoW?), not primed
    2 banners (out of 4)

    Since the transport from Nottingham takes a while, I might order the next unit really soon. I'm thinking of musicians, some additional pikemen to sort that unit out, and some handgunners. I don't feel secure enough with painting common soldiers, so going for cavalry will have to wait a while. I have until summer to get most of this done, so some discipline will be needed.

    So, I'll wrap up my first in what will probably be a long series of long-winded posts. Thank you for reading!
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    Re: Re-learning the hobby through Nipponese

    The obvious paper mon (non-)solution didn't really show on that picture, and there's this limit and all, so here's a better one:



    It's good enough for tabletop I guess, and it's only visible up close. So, I guess I'll leave them. However, it's definately not good enough for more visible banners, such as the bigass 6 meter tall ones, so I felt I needed something better.



    My tiny, but proud army in all it's painted glory. Unpainted soldiers lack honour and had to wait outside the picture like the filthy pig-dogs they are.
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    ooh, Nippon, and more Perry models. I'll be wathcng this

    Good looking painting so far, keep it up

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    Since I know Mephistofoles, I almost have a duty to follow this project! Besides, it's interresting!

    And, oh, btw lilljonas! I will hopefully soon get started on my araby army based on perrys! Just letting you know, hopefully you will be happy to have another perry army to follow :P
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    I'm looking forward to that Vattendroppe; always nice to see some variety. Be sure to put a link in your sig so i don't miss it

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    Arhalien: Welcome aboard!

    Vattendroppe: sounds great, the Swedish Perry Army is being mustered. Yes, Mephistofoles log inspired me to make my own log, and showed me how good the spearmen could look in units. Keep me posted on those Arabyans, so I can come by and whine for camels.
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    Large units of spearmen and a thousand banners.
    Won't your opponent get 100 Victory Points for every banner? That's a 100 000 VPs... :confused:

    Quote Originally Posted by lilljonas View Post
    ...I can't prime my newly arrived pikemen today since Sweden is a cold raining hellhole of slush and I can only spray outside. I blame the crappy lighting on all my photos on the fact that "natural light" as a phenomenon doesn't exist here during winter. The sunrays are too afraid of the cold weather and the rain. Hopefully I'll be able to prime tomorrow. ...
    A while ago I read a thread on GESSO in the M, P&T General Discussion forum. I tried it out, it seems to work good as a paint-on primer, assuming you remember to wash your mini beforehand. I paid 183 crowns for almost liter, but I think I will sell half to a mate.
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    Excellent Nipponeses! Count me as subscribed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtn View Post
    Won't your opponent get 100 Victory Points for every banner? That's a 100 000 VPs... :confused:
    No, since they won't be able to take any of the Nipponese banners! Grawhaha!
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    This looks very interesting, I've been gazing at Perry mini's for years but never picked up any... that may change soon.
    I look forward to seeing this completed in all its glory.
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    Argh, winter rain, I curse thee! Again, rain kept me from priming my newly arrived pikemen. But that doesn't mean I can't get something done. My first task was to get them ready for priming. They had a lot more flash than the swordmen, especially at the hands and the scabbards. Nothing that couldn't be removed, though. I really get tempted when preparing those sculpts, more so than the samurai: they have bigger areas that aren't covered in details and textures, so I'll get to use more layering and such fun stuff. And while the sculpts are simpler in some ways, they still have all the proper details, like the rice rations and their extra sandals tied to their belts!


    My new unit is getting ready for the campaign life

    Washing my miniatures is something I didn't do before, but since I'm about to try to do things proper from now on, they get a good scrubbing. After all, hopefully I'm not as Attention Deficit as I was as a teenager, so these extra steps will get done properly. Hopefully.


    Ashigaru swimming around, enjoying the scent of 'Raspberry and Summer Sun'. No, I'm not the one buying the soap in my household

    Washed up and feeling all nice and soft, the little soldiers were easily suckered into getting permanently glued to their pikes. After some mishaps, they rank up fine and dandy. The pikes are truly robust.


    My two units, side by side. Honourless pig-dogs who are half painted are, still, not allowed

    I went to the local hobby store today and picked up some new paints. I didn't find my Shining Gold to be... well... shining enough, so I got some Burnished Gold. I'll use it to fix up the golden details of my painted swordsmen. Also, I got Chestnut Wash and Black Wash. I can't remember using washes when I was younger, so I'm going to play around with those and see how it turns out. Also, I'll try to contain this little shuffle going on on my bench. It's not a rebellion or something. Not at all. Nothing to see here.



    mrtn: I want to use a lot of banners. Actually, I'd need about one banner in each rank to make it look really good. Or banners in the entire front rank. However, that would probably not be suitable for gameplay, so I'll see how I'll do. At least I have all those back banners (sashimono). I couldn't find anything about GASSO when I searched on the forums, though.

    Voronwe: Welcome aboard!

    Vattendroppe: Indeed! Noone will ever steal a single banner from my proud men. They'll have to pry them from my cold, dead hands!

    Bluesabre: Welcome aboard! I'm also looking forward to seeing them, I already feel that I take more pride in them than my O&G, even though I still hold them dear. And painting Perry Miniatures has had further effects on me, not only am I tempted by their other ranges, I'm also more tempted by other historicals from other manufacturers. I wonder what might be next...
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    Looking good as they say in americat!

    And yeah, **** the rain! But it's funny, we haven't have rain or snow here during the days, but it might come?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilljonas View Post
    mrtn: I want to use a lot of banners. Actually, I'd need about one banner in each rank to make it look really good. Or banners in the entire front rank. However, that would probably not be suitable for gameplay, so I'll see how I'll do. At least I have all those back banners (sashimono). I couldn't find anything about GASSO when I searched on the forums, though...
    The thread about GESSO.
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    looks great dude, so good in fact I just trooped over to Perrys website but i cant find any prices so i have emailed them for details.

    I want some!!
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    Vattendroppe: Lot's of that annoying cross between high humidity and puny rain going on non-stop here. I've been warned to not spray in high humidity, but I might brave the weather today, as there's been no actual rain yet.

    mrtn: Thanks. Adn vhats tis baot me splling?

    sleazy: You find the prices under "ordering information".

    Code A - 6
    Code B - 7.50
    Code C - 8
    Code D - 16
    Code E - 3
    Code F - 10
    Code G - 20
    Pike/Spears (reduced) - 8

    and a flat cost for P&P, 12% for UK, 15% for Europe and 18% for US. Since you don't save money with big orders, it's like they ASK me to order a few guys every week, those bastards...
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    I've not heard such a warning, but I can imagine it can do great difference. Since we have a garage I can always be and base coat in, I have never had to watch out for the weather though...

    BTW, how do you subscribe a thread? Since I misclicked and unsubscribed this thread...
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    It's been some busy days, first I had to go to the eye doctor. Appearantly I see double at long distances, think of it as a constant and free buzz. However, no problems up close, so it doesn't affect my painting. Also, I had to help a mate move to his new flat. But that doesn't mean I didn't get anything done.

    First, I primed the pikemen. There's a public graffitti wall just around the corner, so I can run around with a spray can without the police wondering what nefarious business I might be up to:



    After that, I sat down to finish the last swordsmen. Here's from the front...



    ...and from the back...



    Since I haven't found a good printer for my transfers yet, They still lack their heraldry. However, I do think they look a bit better than the first ones I did. Together, they form my "warm up unit". Ranking them up is a tough job, due to the banners:



    Now they just lack musicians, banners and a champion. I sent a new order which includes all of that, so they'll soon be finished, and I'll also have a complete command for the pikemen. I also ordered the next unit, but I won't say what until they arrive... now, I'll just have to decide for a painting scheme for my ashigaru. I'm thinking white, black and red.

    vattendroppe: I got some "greyish" results when spraying in the humid air, so I must agree that it's best to avoid if its possible. Two coats of thinned down Chaos Black sorted it out, though. I have no idea how to resubsribe, did it help to post a new post in the thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilljonas View Post
    Now they just lack musicians, banners and a champion. I sent a new order which includes all of that, so they'll soon be finished, and I'll also have a complete command for the pikemen. I also ordered the next unit, but I won't say what until they arrive... now, I'll just have to decide for a painting scheme for my ashigaru. I'm thinking white, black and red.

    vattendroppe: I got some "greyish" results when spraying in the humid air, so I must agree that it's best to avoid if its possible. Two coats of thinned down Chaos Black sorted it out, though. I have no idea how to resubsribe, did it help to post a new post in the thread?
    Nice progress! The swordsmen are looking nice! Can't wait to see more of this!

    The red and black will probably fit up nicely with the samurais, will the ashigeru be of the same colorscheme or will they be differed like the samurai? (IMO they should be more ordered, since i imagine that their armours aren't personal)

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    The samurai look sweet. Could you post a comparison shot with some standard GW mini?
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    Yes, the ashigaru will be uniformed, and hopefully that will make them so much easier (and faster!) to paint. I'm thinking of doing them "almost uniform", that is that a few will substitute their white shirts for another light colour (light blue, grey or tan) and some of the red clothes might be substituted with brown or mauve. Keep them tied to a scheme yet have some variation, so they tie in a bit with the samurai.

    And yes, most ashigaru had their armour supplied by their lords, which is the reason they had far more uniform armours. Uniform armour among samurai were not common, but existed.
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