what is exactly the blade of khaine?
i know aenarion wielded it. but y dont the elves use it now/
what is exactly the blade of khaine?
i know aenarion wielded it. but y dont the elves use it now/
Because it dooms all who wield it and taints their entire bloodline.
I don’t have any of my books at hand, and stuff about the war of the gods/war in heaven has become somewhat confudeled with its 40k parallel, anyway; if I remember something incorrectly or if it's been altered I’m sure someone will jump in and mercilessly inform me of my error.
Legend has it Vaul made the widowmaker to fight Khaine when the gods went to war. But the war-god defeated, then crippled and blinded Vaul and chained him to his anvil. He the took the sword as his own and placed it in his temple in the blighted isle.
In reality it was probably forged by the early priests of Khaine (*or insert some Old One conspiracy theory if you so wish*). When the gates collapsed, it somehow gained the ability to act as a sort of spiritual conduit with Kaela Mensha Khaine and drawing it allows him to use as his mortal instrument, his avatar or (*chaos*) champion if you like. It’s interesting to note that the elves have a number of thingys that work like this for example; the flame of Asuryan or Orion and Ariel’s funky tree.
I’m pretty convinced that the same things going down with Alith Anar and Loec too…
“Who knows what horrors lurk beneath the Trapdoor?”
I know it was the sword that aenerion used to wage war against chaos, but it doomed both him and his decendants because the blade was meant for khaine, not aenerion.
But im not sure whether or not this is the same weapon as the warpsword of khaine (the one used by malus darkblade)
- I think it isn't because:Originally Posted by eleveninches
1.The Sword of Khaine is (to my knowledge) still on the blighted island
2. Tz'arkan clearly states that Warpsword of Khaine has been called many other names before it was called Warpsword of Khaine and was still a Warpsword.(Warpsword is a chaos artifact)
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Off the top of my head:
1) Super-powerful to the point of practically being a Deus Ex Machina (in Elven mythology, it was created to destroy gods).
2) Confers the "essence" of a god to the wielder, making them sort of an avatar crossed with a demi-god.
3) Only ever wielded by Aenarion in "known" Elven history - probably because he was pretty much the only one with the ability to do so.
4) Doomed Aenarion (as well as his bloodline) specifically when it was drawn.
5) Was at least partially responsible for the "creation" of the Dark Elves.
6) Drove Aenarion insane.
7) Was slammed back into the altar so hard when Aenarion finished with it and died that nobody has been able to draw it since.
And no, the Widowmaker has nothing to do with the Warpsword of Khaine that Malus Darkblade has beyond a similarity of names.
Last edited by Eldacar; 28-06-2007 at 15:14.
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The sword would probably be MUCH more powerful then...
So in some ways similar to the ancestor weapons used by the dwarfs: ie. The Hammer of Fate, Grimnir's Axes, ect.
The sword also changes apperance depending on who's using it, I think it has also been perceived as a sceptre and a spear at different times but I can't remember the details.
According to Tyrion, Malekith saw it as a scepter and Caledor saw it as a lance. Tyrion, like his ancestor, saw it as a sword.
It's basically a blade forged from a shard of pure death,so if it touches something it tends to kill it.
Very nasty weapon.
The warpsword that malus darkblade wields is a totally different weapon from the "sword" of khaine.
Aenarion was the only being to have ever been "able" to use the weapon,he didnt really want to use it as he knew it would curse his bloodline(although for tyrion and teclis that "curse" isnt really all that bad...).
Tryion,Caledor and Malekith have all been in a position to use the weapon but they choose not to.
Aenarion only chose to use the weapon as it was a last ditch attempt at saving the world and he needed the most powerful weapon he could lay his hands on to give himself a fighting chance.
Even with the blade he almost didnt win.
The sword is guarded on the blighted Isle from intruders anyway,so any lesser being wanting to go get the weapon is generally killed before they get within sight of it,only the more powerful beings like malekith and tyrion have been able to actually see the blade.
The Sword is a symbolic device, symbolizing among other things the concept of "ends justifying the means" and also the darker side of Elf nature. Similarly the Flame of Asuryan could be seen as a symbolic device symbolizing the the light side of Elf nature.
Aenarion passing through the Flame, and being granted power through that, is matched by the Elf race reaching its heights of glory. However that wasn't enough to halt the tides of Chaos threatening to engulf the WHFB world. Aenarion sought any means to turn back the tide and his people (the Nagarythe) became ever harsher and crueller in their "win at all costs" attitude, paralleling Aenarion's drawing of the Blade of Khaine. In dramatic story fashion, this symbolic act introduces/splits Elf nature (or raises to prominence an inherent dark side previously suppressed) and ultimately also the sundering of the Elven kindreds.
That said, if we as readers were to look at just "what" these things are other than as symbols, the Blade and the Flame I see as conduits for the powers of their respective gods. I'd therefore see those that successfully use them as being "Marked" by the god(s) in much the same way as a Chaos champion, with the difference being that Asuryan and Khaine seem to invest only in one champion at a time, and that the powers granted may not always be physical. I'd actually think most of the Phoenix Kings of High Elven history have been granted only tiny tokens of power or that their powers have been ones of rulership and wisdom rather than raw combat power, ie basically whatever was felt to be best for the Elven people at the time.
if you want to go back to the 40k fantasy mix think of the widowmaker as anaris times 10, the thing can aparently sink continents and destroy gods and yep it's on the blighted isle which i believe is in druchii hands :cries:
I have a fair knowledge of the Sword and its history with Arenion (the pictre of im killing a massive deamon all on his own his awsome!!!) however i always fail to see why Malekith didn't pull the sword or scepter as it appeared to him. whilst i don't see him as inaetly evil. he does however seem to have a complete disregard for life, and seems to follow the idea of means justify the end. so for him to suffer corupting his soul and damning any of his line (well even futher thats is lol). can anyone maybe clear thi up for me?
the reasons Clador and Tyrion didn't pull the sword is fairly easy, and there isa great article from Tyrions perspective and thoughts on the sword somewhere, will have a look for it
I see two possibilities as to why Malekith didn't pull the Sword of Khaine.
1. He couldn't, because Aenarion had shoved it in too deep, or
2. At the time, he wasn't corrupt or desperate enough to want the Sword of Khaine. This is based on the premise that he was not born evil, but had gradually become so, sort of like Arthas from the Warcraft series, or Anakin from Star Wars.
I think the first indication that Malekith might be insane and/or evil was during his ruthless vendetta against the Cult of Slaanesh, and that was long after he had visited the Blighted Isle.
Last edited by Paviel; 30-06-2007 at 20:35.
Or, if you're Mike Lee, author of the Darkbade novels, there is a third reason... because Malus Darkblade has it...(from the BL forums and edited to stay on topic)
Originally posted by Mike Lee
Originally posted by Arcanum
Anyway, not really a spoiler question, but I'm assuming the Warpsword isn't the same weapon as the Sword of Khaine ?
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As to the Warpsword...as far as the stories go, it's the same thing as the Sword of Khaine. It makes sense from the standpoint of the graphic novel and the stories themselves, but Gav may have a different take on things as far as the game is concerned.
well if Maleus has the Sword of Khaine then he managed to get onto the blighted Isle, steal the sword, get off the island and escape to Ulthuan and then get back to Naggaroth. well i think we all understimated how brilliant Maleus is, and how powerfull a god-killing weapon is.
ok maybe im feeling in a foul mood, but Maleus's sword just isn't the Sowrd of Khaine. i relay can't ive there is genuine cnnon to prove me wrong! please tell me my assupmtion is correct!
Pavial yeah good point however it seems Malekith has controlled seriousa portions of Uthuan on a few ocasions, so managing to get to the blighte isle seems perfectly possible for him t go and get the sword if he relay wanted. and as far as the fluff seems to say (though GW have just left this a realy badly drawn story line) Malekith has satyed out of the religious wars or diffeences between the cult of Slannesh and Khaine in recent centuies.
Malus has the warpsword of khaine,not the sword of khaine.
2 very different weapons,one significantly more dangerous than the other.
Malekith's trip to the Blighted Isle happened long before Malus was born, so Malus has nothing to do with why Malekith didn't take the Sword of Khaine.
Ugh, that's just awful. Why did BL ever let this guy write for them?
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